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post #31 of 1806
5/26/12 at 4:23pm
@Tempest
You can look at my configuration above and see all my settings. They are copied from my ControlCal config.
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post #32 of 1806
5/26/12 at 8:01pm
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Originally Posted by turbe View Post

^^^

You want to have AGC, BLE at 0 and CATS off... with PB at Med and Contrast @ 100 with 100 white 10% windowed pattern, what is your fL reading?

I got it up to 46 ftL on my second pass. Not sure what the problem was.

The calibration continues!
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post #33 of 1806
5/26/12 at 8:08pm
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Originally Posted by Tempest261 View Post

I got it up to 46 ftL on my second pass. Not sure what the problem was.

The calibration continues!

46ftL is impressive!! Please post your final results. A calibrated bright setting such as this would help me (and likely others) out a lot. Thanks!
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post #34 of 1806
5/27/12 at 5:28am
@wmwilker: after using THX Cinema for a day I tried your settings. Very nice! An improvement for sure, especially with the flesh tones.

Thanks for sharing!

Chris
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post #35 of 1806
5/27/12 at 8:17am
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Originally Posted by mumps View Post

@wmwilker: after using THX Cinema for a day I tried your settings. Very nice! An improvement for sure, especially with the flesh tones.

Thanks for sharing!

Chris

Glad they work for you.
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post #36 of 1806
6/1/12 at 1:44pm
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Originally Posted by wmwilker View Post

Glad they work for you.

Can you post your ISF night settings.

Thanks
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post #37 of 1806
6/1/12 at 2:41pm
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Originally Posted by airgon74 View Post
Can you post your ISF night settings.

Thanks
Be glad to. I've been slacking

Remember these were good on my panel and may not work on different panels.

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79
55
0
0
46
0
2
0
0
4
7
0
-1
Warm 2
2.4
Normal
Medium
Off
Off
Off
-
-9
8
0
18
17
0
21
50
0
8
0
0
-44
-1
0
-10
-15
0
-
-7 0 9
0 0 2
0 0 3
0 0 1
-1 0 2
-10 -2
-2 0 -1
-2 0 -1
-4 0 -3
-4 0 -4

-3
0
0
0
0
2
0
-1
-1
0

The light output is just under 35 ftL so it should be good for a dark room.

Of course feedback and suggestions are welcomed.

I am also attaching my report for any feedback or suggestions.

 

ISF Night Warm 2-1.pdf 292.35546875k . file
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post #38 of 1806
6/1/12 at 3:56pm
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Originally Posted by wmwilker View Post

I am also attaching my report for any feedback or suggestions.

What have you found about that Green luminance error? Both my ISF Day & Night are close to standard and I didn't have to do anything special to get them there.

If you get a chance perhaps you could take another reading and see if it might be meter error.
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post #39 of 1806
6/1/12 at 5:18pm
My luminance was very much like that when I first powered on the set. I did a "reset defaults" from the main setup menu and started over. Whatever the reset did, my luminances were normal afterwards (rather than some too high and others too low as they are in your post calibration report).
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post #40 of 1806
6/1/12 at 10:42pm
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Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

What have you found about that Green luminance error? Both my ISF Day & Night are close to standard and I didn't have to do anything special to get them there.

If you get a chance perhaps you could take another reading and see if it might be meter error.

Ya that's what happens when you go to deep down in the rabbit hole.

Have you played with the RGB lume level, if so are you finding them to be stable?
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post #41 of 1806
6/1/12 at 11:11pm
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Originally Posted by wmwilker View Post

Be glad to. I've been slacking

The light output is just under 35 ftL so it should be good for a dark room.

Of course feedback and suggestions are welcomed.

I am also attaching my report for any feedback or suggestions.

For night controlled (IRE 15 to 20%) light settings you my want to try 2.2.
What I have been finding now that I think I finally have my I1Pro under control, is that taking 10% lume level down to 0 and balancing R/B there by setting up my RGB IRE 20% seems to work.

I still haven't installed my copy of Controlcal, mainly because of my meter.
My main goal has been to stabilize blue and of-course red and green to a point that there is no Blue extra tint in any scenes flesh tones or hair color like gray.

btw, I am not suggesting there is any problem with Blue and my 65VT50 it is very good, but the wife has a very sensitive eye for blue tint in flesh tones.

ss
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post #42 of 1806
6/2/12 at 9:06am
What 10pt window patterns are you guys using?

When using the standard windows on the AVS709 disc, I find that gamma is off relative to the set by 0.2 (I have to raise the panel's gamma +.02 to reach the target).

When using SMALL APL windows on the AVS709 disc, I find that gamma is almost dead-on. I also get 2-4+ ftL at 100% white (around 42 ftL).

I heard that the Chromapure disc has smaller than standard windows as well. What are you guys all using?
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post #43 of 1806
6/3/12 at 10:41am
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Originally Posted by Tempest261 View Post

What 10pt window patterns are you guys using?

When using the standard windows on the AVS709 disc, I find that gamma is off relative to the set by 0.2 (I have to raise the panel's gamma +.02 to reach the target).

When using SMALL APL windows on the AVS709 disc, I find that gamma is almost dead-on. I also get 2-4+ ftL at 100% white (around 42 ftL).

I heard that the Chromapure disc has smaller than standard windows as well. What are you guys all using?

I use the ChromaPure windows on the 709 disk.
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post #44 of 1806
6/3/12 at 10:52am
These are my newest reports for Cal Day & Night. I'm pleased with the Night results but I can't get a grip on the dE in the gamut on the Day. In the Cal Day I ran the color down to 43 to try to even out the luminance errors. The only thing I can think of that is different between the Day and Night modes is the Contrast setting. I have it at 86 for Day and 82 for the Night. My max output on Day is 41+ and on Night is 34+. With the Contrast at 86 I am blowing out the 256 bar and on the Spears and Munsil GetGray ramp I do see a tinge of color in a couple of bars.
Can the Contrast setting affect the color that much? I'm just not sure where to turn with this.
Please if anyone has any suggestions please give them.

Thanks

BTW I'm going to cross post this in the Calibration forum.

FYI the Color Setting is 46 in the Cal Night

 

Cal Day 6-3-12.pdf 287.5595703125k . file

 

Cal Night 6-3-12.pdf 291.70703125k . file
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post #45 of 1806
6/3/12 at 11:29pm
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Originally Posted by wmwilker View Post

These are my newest reports for Cal Day & Night. I'm pleased with the Night results but I can't get a grip on the dE in the gamut on the Day. In the Cal Day I ran the color down to 43 to try to even out the luminance errors. The only thing I can think of that is different between the Day and Night modes is the Contrast setting. I have it at 86 for Day and 82 for the Night. My max output on Day is 41+ and on Night is 34+. With the Contrast at 86 I am blowing out the 256 bar and on the Spears and Munsil GetGray ramp I do see a tinge of color in a couple of bars.
Can the Contrast setting affect the color that much? I'm just not sure where to turn with this.
Please if anyone has any suggestions please give them.

Thanks

BTW I'm going to cross post this in the Calibration forum.

FYI the Color Setting is 46 in the Cal Night

Try using different gamma targets and maybe changing from warm 2 to warm 1 or neutral, for your day calibration.
If you are seeing any "tinge" of color in your gray step bars, then imo redo your gray-scale, or go back into what ever IRE is showing the "Tinge" and re-work that IRE, then recheck your full 10pt gray-scale along with your gamut.
Also make sure each of the 10pt IRE settings are stable.

I don't think your Contrast setting has much to do with your problem, but you may want to raise it for a day calibration.

You may want to try a step gray-scale pattern on the THX night or day settings to use as a visual reference, of-course that's saying there is no "Tinge" in that step pattern.

ss
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post #46 of 1806
6/4/12 at 4:53am
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Originally Posted by wmwilker View Post

These are my newest reports for Cal Day & Night. I'm pleased with the Night results but I can't get a grip on the dE in the gamut on the Day. In the Cal Day I ran the color down to 43 to try to even out the luminance errors. The only thing I can think of that is different between the Day and Night modes is the Contrast setting. I have it at 86 for Day and 82 for the Night. My max output on Day is 41+ and on Night is 34+. With the Contrast at 86 I am blowing out the 256 bar and on the Spears and Munsil GetGray ramp I do see a tinge of color in a couple of bars.
Can the Contrast setting affect the color that much? I'm just not sure where to turn with this.
Please if anyone has any suggestions please give them.

Thanks

BTW I'm going to cross post this in the Calibration forum.

FYI the Color Setting is 46 in the Cal Night

ISF Day might be giving you issues because the ABL kicks in pretty aggressively when trying to make a bright mode.

I've switched to using APL Small Window patterns to tame the ABL, but the large windows should work too- you'll just wind up with a different gamma.

D-Nice also said that the ABL will induce a color influence, with it being more green when it's kicked in. So in theory, it should be less green when it's at a minimum (brightest white). I've been considering trying to find something in the middle to minimize its visible influence- if you're able to calibrate both ranges of ABL for each IRE under 3 dE, then that would be the ideal case, right?

Perhaps this might require a unique pattern, such as somewhere between the large APL and small APL window patterns.
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post #47 of 1806
6/4/12 at 5:47am
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Originally Posted by Tempest261 View Post

ISF Day might be giving you issues because the ABL kicks in pretty aggressively when trying to make a bright mode.

I've switched to using APL Small Window patterns to tame the ABL, but the large windows should work too- you'll just wind up with a different gamma.

D-Nice also said that the ABL will induce a color influence, with it being more green when it's kicked in. So in theory, it should be less green when it's at a minimum (brightest white). I've been considering trying to find something in the middle to minimize its visible influence- if you're able to calibrate both ranges of ABL for each IRE under 3 dE, then that would be the ideal case, right?

Perhaps this might require a unique pattern, such as somewhere between the large APL and small APL window patterns.

Well all of the dE are 3 or under but Buzz said he had a average of 1.1 dE. Of course he's a professional.
Are the small APL windows on the CalMAN portion of the 709 disk? If so I'll try that.
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post #48 of 1806
6/4/12 at 6:06am
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Originally Posted by wmwilker View Post

Well all of the dE are 3 or under but Buzz said he had a average of 1.1 dE. Of course he's a professional.
Are the small APL windows on the CalMAN portion of the 709 disk? If so I'll try that.

They're under both the ColorHCFR and Calman portions of the disc. Only difference between those two sections is how long the slides stay up for.
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post #49 of 1806
6/4/12 at 6:17am
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Originally Posted by Tempest261 View Post

They're under both the ColorHCFR and Calman portions of the disc. Only difference between those two sections is how long the slides stay up for.

Thanks, I'll try those windows and see how it goes.
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post #50 of 1806
6/4/12 at 6:24am
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Originally Posted by wmwilker View Post

I use the ChromaPure windows on the 709 disk.

The AVS709 windows are 15% window size and will cause the ABL to kick in inconsistently. You're better off using APL patterns. That, or use 10-12% windows.
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post #51 of 1806
6/4/12 at 6:35am
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Originally Posted by rahzel View Post

The AVS709 windows are 15% window size and will cause the ABL to kick in inconsistently. You're better off using APL patterns. That, or use 10-12% windows.

I have a Radiance Mini which has some really small windows but I'm trying to dial this thing in as close as possible before I put it in the chain. Thanks for confirming this.
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post #52 of 1806
6/4/12 at 8:33am
Has anyone done their cal with a RGB 4:4:4 source?

Just curious to hear how well the TV handles RGB 4:4:4. Last year there was an "interesting" translation done between RGB 4:4:4 and whatever the TV native processing mode is.

Kinda sucks the luminance CMS controls don't work. I don't get why they include controls that don't work. It'd be nice to have fully working controls. Hopefully they fix it in a firmware update I know for some owners this isn't an issue, but some of the TVs have green push that can't be fixed without the luminance control working.
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post #53 of 1806
6/4/12 at 9:16am
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Originally Posted by SiGGy View Post

Has anyone done their cal with a RGB 4:4:4 source?

Just curious to hear how well the TV handles RGB 4:4:4. Last year there was an "interesting" translation done between RGB 4:4:4 and whatever the TV native processing mode is.

Kinda sucks the luminance CMS controls don't work. I don't get why they include controls that don't work. It'd be nice to have fully working controls. Hopefully they fix it in a firmware update I know for some owners this isn't an issue, but some of the TVs have green push that can't be fixed without the luminance control working.

I plan to call Panasonic and ask for a repair. I have no idea if they will do anything but it's worth a try.
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post #54 of 1806
6/4/12 at 10:09am
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Originally Posted by wmwilker View Post

First of all I want to say these are some initial settings I've come up on my 65VT50. I'm sure as I get more hours on the set it will change.
These settings are from my display and would need to be tweaked on a different display
I came up with these settings using an i1 Pro and ChromaPure. The i1 Pro is not very good at low levels and at 10% my de was about 4. That reading may or may not be accurate. 20% was less than 2de but the rest of the grayscale was less than 1%. The ftL was 36 which would be somewhat dull in a bright room.
Here are the settings:

Picture mode - Custom
Contrast - 81
Brightness - 54
Color - 50
Tint - 0
Sharpness - +6
Color temp - Warm 2
CATS - Off
Pro Settings:
Color Space - Normal
W/B high R - +3
W/B high G - 0
W/B high B - +2
W/B low R - -1
W/B low G - -1
W/B low B - -1
W/B detail adjustment (you may or may not want to mess with these.)
Input signal level 10 IRE
R - +5
G - 0
B - +2
20 IRE
R - +6
G - 0
B - -1
30 IRE
R - +4
G - 0
B - 0
40 IRE
R - +2
G - 0
B - +3
50 IRE
R - +1
G - 0
B - +2
60 IRE
R - 0
G - 0
B - 0
70 IRE
R- 0
G - 0
B - +1
80 IRE
R - -2
G - 0
B - +1
90 IRE
R - -2
G - +1
B - +1
100 IRE
R - -1
G - +2
B - +1

Red hue - -3
Green hue - +16
Blue hue - +6
Red saturation - -7
Green saturation - +19
Blue saturation - +11
Color detail adjustment
Yellow hue - +1
Cyan hue - +5
Magenta hue - -1
Yellow saturation - +1
Cyan saturation - 0
Magenta saturation - -5

Leave all the luminance settings at 0

Black extension - 0
Gamma adjustment - 2.4
Panel Brightness = Mid
Contour emphasis - Off
AGC - 0
Gamma detail adjustment
Input signal level
10 IRE Gain - -7
20 IRE Gain - -3
30 IRE Gain - 0
40 IRE Gain - -1
50 IRE Gain - -2
60 IRE Gain - 0
70 IRE Gain - 0
80 IRE Gain - -1
90 IRE Gain - -1
100 IRE Gain - 0

I have my HDMI range at Auto with Content at Auto
Motion smoother - Off
1080p pure direct - On
Black level - Light

I welcome any comments and criticism(I think)

Looks great on my tv but I do notice a green tint especially when yellow is showing. How would I get rid of this?? Would I lower some of the green settings?? Which ones?? Thanks!!
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post #55 of 1806
6/4/12 at 10:13am
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Originally Posted by shotgun2 View Post

Looks great on my tv but I do notice a green tint especially when yellow is showing. How would I get rid of this?? Would I lower some of the green settings?? Which ones?? Thanks!!

I couldn't say without doing a full calibration on your panel. That's the drawback of copying settings from panel to panel as each is different.

Edit: You could try to move the yellow hue either + or - and see how it looks. I think it's - but not absolutely sure.
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post #56 of 1806
6/4/12 at 12:48pm
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Originally Posted by Tempest261 View Post

ISF Day might be giving you issues because the ABL kicks in pretty aggressively when trying to make a bright mode.

I've switched to using APL Small Window patterns to tame the ABL, but the large windows should work too- you'll just wind up with a different gamma.

D-Nice also said that the ABL will induce a color influence, with it being more green when it's kicked in. So in theory, it should be less green when it's at a minimum (brightest white). I've been considering trying to find something in the middle to minimize its visible influence- if you're able to calibrate both ranges of ABL for each IRE under 3 dE, then that would be the ideal case, right?

Perhaps this might require a unique pattern, such as somewhere between the large APL and small APL window patterns.

When using the APL Small Windows what do I look for as far as gamma goes? Does it give a lower reading? Should I change the Gamma target in ContolCal to a setting other than 2.4?
I want to try this when I get home and hope to save a little time.
Thanks
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post #57 of 1806
6/4/12 at 1:04pm
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Originally Posted by wmwilker View Post


When using the APL Small Windows what do I look for as far as gamma goes? Does it give a lower reading? Should I change the Gamma target in ContolCal to a setting other than 2.4?
I want to try this when I get home and hope to save a little time.
Thanks

I find that it matches what is set to the TV a bit better. As to how you interpret that, I have no idea.
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post #58 of 1806
6/4/12 at 1:25pm
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Originally Posted by Tempest261 View Post

I find that it matches what is set to the TV a bit better. As to how you interpret that, I have no idea.

Well that shouldn't be an issue then.

Thanks
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post #59 of 1806
6/4/12 at 1:35pm
Cnet settings for the 65VT50 by D. katzmaier:
http://forums.cnet.com/7723-19410_10...ateThreadPopup
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post #60 of 1806
6/4/12 at 2:08pm
I remember reading a long thread at HDJ regarding the AVS709 patterns (window vs small apl vs large apl) but I don't remember what the consensus was. I'm too tired to read through it again right now, but google "AVS709 window vs apl HDJ" and it's the first result.
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