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post #571 of 2130
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Originally Posted by alston80 View Post

Which issues were you having with calibration with 1.17?

Using calman 5 I had to go to high with Blue when in manual CMS mode, also had to drop my normal brightness setting from 57 to 54.
Calman ran autocal 5 and reported no issues, but autocal's results are different then manual mode.

As it turned out by using a work around my setting became better than ever.

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Originally Posted by CalWldLif View Post

So you have the full V5 or just Enthusiast Home theater?

Enthusiast Home

ss
post #572 of 2130
SS

Is that "high" for panel brightness?
post #573 of 2130
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

SS
Is that "high" for panel brightness?

Maybe, imo the brightness setting really depends on contrast, grayscale, cms, color temp and gamma target. For me that brightness range works well.

ss
post #574 of 2130
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

SS
Is that "high" for panel brightness?

ss is probably talking about the Brightness control, not the PNL Brightness preset. It's accomplished with a pluge pattern and it is perhaps the most important of all adjustments and one of the few that are made visually.

PNL Brightness, since the luminance control fix, can be set to whatever level is required by the viewing environment but changes among these three presets affects calibration.
Edited by buzzard767 - 9/28/12 at 4:39am
post #575 of 2130
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Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

ss is probably talking about the Brightness control, not the PNL Brightness preset. It's accomplished with a pluge pattern and it is perhaps the most important of all adjustments and one of the few that are made visually.
PNL Brightness, since the luminance control fix, can be set to whatever level is required by the viewing environment but changes among these three presets affects calibration.

Yes you are correct.

Anyway based on what you and mike (and others) have said or not sent back, I now have the Darbee (jury is still out) and am getting the mini 3D because of the cube, inter and outer color points, anything else is a bonus.

ss
post #576 of 2130
Anyone know what this new firmware updates? It really pisses me off that I cannot access any of e apps without updating. I'm currently at 1.15. I've seen the page on Pannasonic's website and it doesn't mention any changes to the display settings, but neither did the 1.15 update, which we know changed the cms luminance values.
post #577 of 2130
Sean S

I believe that 1.17 does more than updating something with the internet access.

Picture wise, in Custom, something is changed that doesn't look as good as it did with 1.15. If you calibrate your ISF picture mode, you may have to do it again.

I'd like to revert to 1.15 but haven't found a way to do that.
post #578 of 2130
Greetings from the happy new owner of VT50.

Actually, my model is 50" - as I could notice, in US you don't have it.
It works in conjunction with the Blue-Ray home theater SC-BTT590 - which you also don't have in US... But I'd assume all BR players have similar settings.

http://www.panasonic.co.uk/html/en_GB/Products/Home+Entertainment/Blu-ray+Home+Cinema/SC-BTT590/Specification/9406122/index.html?trackInfo=true


I've been warming up the display since Friday (3 days) on low contrast setting and now would like to start color mgmt.

So the questions are:

1) Could you pls share the "optimal" settings for day/night - just to be on the "baseline" (i.e. no extra true color reproduction - this require matching of panels, which we don't have in my 50'' case)
For instance, can I use the wmwilker version? Or is there a more "universal one".
2) Could you also help adjusting the 3D settings? Description below

Trouble with 3D.
Bright scenes (day in the movie) - fantastic. Easy to focus, all details on their places.
Dark scenes (night in the movie) - awful. The "left-right" gap between images is too noticeable and it's difficult to focus. Have to switch glasses to 2D mode.

I tried everything I could find, but no effect
- switched ON 3D adjustment on TV. minimizing the depth of effect helped, but it reduced the 3D effect as such to minimum!
- Altered settings on Blue-Ray player (BTT590), but still dark scenes are translated wrong


Many thanks in advance

Yakor
post #579 of 2130
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Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

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Originally Posted by I WANT MORE View Post

It would really be nice to have a definitive answer on this. My Viera Internet options have been rendered unusable as I have not updated. I have a calibrated set and don't want to screw up the results.

If you're asking whether or not ISF calibration settings have been altered the answer is no, they have not.

 

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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Sean S

I believe that 1.17 does more than updating something with the internet access.

Picture wise, in Custom, something is changed that doesn't look as good as it did with 1.15. If you calibrate your ISF picture mode, you may have to do it again.

I'd like to revert to 1.15 but haven't found a way to do that.

So, Which is it? YES, the updated effects the calibrated ISF settings or NO, the update has no effect on the calibrated ISF settings. This is kind of important.

post #580 of 2130
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Originally Posted by I WANT MORE View Post

So, Which is it? YES, the updated effects the calibrated ISF settings or NO, the update has no effect on the calibrated ISF settings. This is kind of important.

It didn't affect mine.
post #581 of 2130
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Originally Posted by I WANT MORE View Post

So, Which is it? YES, the updated effects the calibrated ISF settings or NO, the update has no effect on the calibrated ISF settings. This is kind of important.

I said no. JimP said "I believe".
post #582 of 2130
It seems like the warm2 setting before calibration on these sets are plus green and minus blue. Would you think that lowering green a few clicks and raising blue a few clicks would be enough to improve it? I'm not going for complete accuracy, just trying to get it a little closer out of the box before I have it calibrated.
post #583 of 2130
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Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

I said no. JimP said "I believe".

Go with what Buzz said.
post #584 of 2130
Hi again.

Tried yesterday the settings discussed here in the first pages.

Here's what I found: some menus and value settings differ in my model!
For example, I have max Contrast 60 and no color temperature.

Are there any ideas? Why would the EU and the US model differ in settings?

Also, anybody to help with 3D settings on BR player? In addition to the initial message, I'd say that TV-3D applications work fine (e.g. Vierra 3D World)


Thanks

Yakor
post #585 of 2130
What picture mode do most people use before calibration? Most of what I've read is Custom is better than THX, what does everyone think?
post #586 of 2130
Hello everyone. Ok, i pulled the trigger and got a i1Display Pro.

I downloaded Calman 5. looks nice. But i also got the GetGrey and man my head is hurting have to jump back and forth thru menus.

Is it no other way to get a auto generator that not over 2 grand.

I learning and it fun. But I think i would learn fast seeing the autocal process with a auto gen so i can understand what it doing.

I think i doing this correct. Have Getgrey in Blue ray play and use the remote for blue ray to change the grey or color scale . ( it got to be a better way under a 1-2 grand. )

I know im going to have to get the CalMAN 5 Control to get the Autocal feature. Just need a little help to make this a little fun. Ya i know it could of been cheaper having someone else do it. But whats the fun in that.. Also thank you everyone on here , i learn allot. Just need a little more push.
post #587 of 2130
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Originally Posted by cpluse View Post

Hello everyone. Ok, i pulled the trigger and got a i1Display Pro.
I downloaded Calman 5. looks nice. But i also got the GetGrey and man my head is hurting have to jump back and forth thru menus.
Is it no other way to get a auto generator that not over 2 grand.
I learning and it fun. But I think i would learn fast seeing the autocal process with a auto gen so i can understand what it doing.
I think i doing this correct. Have Getgrey in Blue ray play and use the remote for blue ray to change the grey or color scale . ( it got to be a better way under a 1-2 grand. )
I know im going to have to get the CalMAN 5 Control to get the Autocal feature. Just need a little help to make this a little fun. Ya i know it could of been cheaper having someone else do it. But whats the fun in that.. Also thank you everyone on here , i learn allot. Just need a little more push.

You may want to look at a Lumagen Mini 3D for about $1500. Use your CM5E in auto 3D LUT mode and the 125 point cube.

Ran my first 3D LUT (125 point cube) auto last night, happy with the results but I hope once I get more comfortable with the Radiance Mini 3D I should be able to get better results.

I use a I1Pro 2, the one nice plus with the I1pro 2 is that you don't have to re-calibrate it every 10 min or so, if you want to be on the safe side. When running the 125 pt cube it can take well over 30 min to run.

ss
post #588 of 2130
SS

With Calman, do you take a dark reading with the i1pro2 using the white plate or a true dark reading by covering the opening that takes the readings?
Edited by JimP - 10/3/12 at 3:38am
post #589 of 2130
Do you know about 'hotel mode' for easy save or restore all tv's settings? You need SD card with single and empty file 'hotel.pwd'. When inserted, TV ask password. '4850' is the answer to backup your current settings, '4851' restore. TV creates 3 data files on SD. we can use it to share settings
post #590 of 2130
I will be having my Plasma calibrated later this week by a "level 2 certified" ISF calibration company. I understand the day/night modes and that there is a seperate setting for the 3D mode. My question to you experts out there is for any advice or items I need to watch out for during the calibration to make sure all items are being done correctly. In our initial conversation, when I brought up the ISF modes for 2D and 3D, it was indicated that the numbers obtained from the 2D calibration could be used and inputed into the 3D mode with some tweaks. Is there a whole seperate process that needs/should be run to calibrate the 2D mode from the 3D mode or will most values transfer between the two modes (i.e. transfer the vaues from the 2D calibration to the 3D calibration setting and then tweak those)? Curious about what the forum recommends. Thanks.
post #591 of 2130
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

You may want to look at a Lumagen Mini 3D for about $1500. Use your CM5E in auto 3D LUT mode and the 125 point cube.
Ran my first 3D LUT (125 point cube) auto last night, happy with the results but I hope once I get more comfortable with the Radiance Mini 3D I should be able to get better results.
I use a I1Pro 2, the one nice plus with the I1pro 2 is that you don't have to re-calibrate it every 10 min or so, if you want to be on the safe side. When running the 125 pt cube it can take well over 30 min to run.
ss

Ty SS,

I could not find the Lumagen Mini, do they still sell them. I wanted to know what you thought or any thought about these. I have the Getgrey CD and was going to get the CalMAN InfraRed Controller , but i assume that it wont get the quality with something like that or will I. I have a samsung 3d blue-ray player.

EDGE GREEN
HD VIDEO PROCESSOR / SWITCHER
http://www.dvdo.com/EDGE.aspx

or

DPG-2000 Digital Pattern Generator
http://store.spectracal.com/consumer/pattern-generators/dpg-2000.html
post #592 of 2130
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Originally Posted by mikey ra View Post

I will be having my Plasma calibrated later this week by a "level 2 certified" ISF calibration company. I understand the day/night modes and that there is a seperate setting for the 3D mode. My question to you experts out there is for any advice or items I need to watch out for during the calibration to make sure all items are being done correctly. In our initial conversation, when I brought up the ISF modes for 2D and 3D, it was indicated that the numbers obtained from the 2D calibration could be used and inputed into the 3D mode with some tweaks. Is there a whole seperate process that needs/should be run to calibrate the 2D mode from the 3D mode or will most values transfer between the two modes (i.e. transfer the vaues from the 2D calibration to the 3D calibration setting and then tweak those)? Curious about what the forum recommends. Thanks.

The 2D settings "can" be copied but the proper way to calibrate 3D is through the 3D glasses.
post #593 of 2130
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Originally Posted by wmwilker View Post

The 2D settings "can" be copied but the proper way to calibrate 3D is through the 3D glasses.

When you say "through the 3D glasses" do you mean placing the glasses set in front of calibration equipement (camera) or by the calibation tech wearing the glasses?
post #594 of 2130
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Originally Posted by mikey ra View Post

When you say "through the 3D glasses" do you mean placing the glasses set in front of calibration equipement (camera) or by the calibation tech wearing the glasses?

The glasses go between the meter and the display.
post #595 of 2130
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Originally Posted by cpluse View Post

Ty SS,
I could not find the Lumagen Mini, do they still sell them. I wanted to know what you thought or any thought about these. I have the Getgrey CD and was going to get the CalMAN InfraRed Controller , but i assume that it wont get the quality with something like that or will I. I have a samsung 3d blue-ray player.
EDGE GREEN
HD VIDEO PROCESSOR / SWITCHER
http://www.dvdo.com/EDGE.aspx
or
DPG-2000 Digital Pattern Generator
http://store.spectracal.com/consumer/pattern-generators/dpg-2000.html

Call and ask for Mike wink.gif, below is the link for the AV Science (AVS). They probably will have the Mini drop shipped direct from Lumagen to you.
http://shop.avscience.com/Lumagen-RadianceMini-3D_p_118.html

Here is a link to Lumagen.
http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=manuals

Using Calman or ChromaPure calibration software that offers the 125pt cube calibration and the Lumagen Radiance Mini 3D, will be automatic, all you need to do is follow along with what CM or CP tells you to do. The Mini comes with all the patterns (Color/Gray) that you will ever need, so there is no need for any calibration disc like Get Gray or AVSHD.

Keep in mind that the Lumagen Radiance Mini 3D is a Processor/pattern generator and not just a pattern generator. What this means is that when running a calibration from CM or CP the setting are stored in the Mini and not in your TV. So you would plug in your Blu Ray player and or cable box via HDMI high speed cable to the Mini and then use a HDMI high speed cable out to your TV or whatever.

As far as the quality of the 125pt calibration goes, imo from the little I am seeing of the few calibrations that I have run the results are very good. imo better than most ISF/THX calibrators are willing to do.

There are a few others that have the CP or CM Mini combo that have been using this combo longer than I, so they have a head start on me.

ss
post #596 of 2130
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

Call and ask for Mike wink.gif, below is the link for the AV Science (AVS). They probably will have the Mini drop shipped direct from Lumagen to you.
http://shop.avscience.com/Lumagen-RadianceMini-3D_p_118.html
Here is a link to Lumagen.
http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=manuals
Using Calman or ChromaPure calibration software that offers the 125pt cube calibration and the Lumagen Radiance Mini 3D, will be automatic, all you need to do is follow along with what CM or CP tells you to do. The Mini comes with all the patterns (Color/Gray) that you will ever need, so there is no need for any calibration disc like Get Gray or AVSHD.
Keep in mind that the Lumagen Radiance Mini 3D is a Processor/pattern generator and not just a pattern generator. What this means is that when running a calibration from CM or CP the setting are stored in the Mini and not in your TV. So you would plug in your Blu Ray player and or cable box via HDMI high speed cable to the Mini and then use a HDMI high speed cable out to your TV or whatever.
As far as the quality of the 125pt calibration goes, imo from the little I am seeing of the few calibrations that I have run the results are very good. imo better than most ISF/THX calibrators are willing to do.
There are a few others that have the CP or CM Mini combo that have been using this combo longer than I, so they have a head start on me.
ss

Thank you so much for the link and explaining what it does and how it works.

Since it saves the setting inside the device. Is there a way to take the setting out our to save on the TV? Reason i ask if i have multiple TV i would like to Calibrate them also. Going to download the manual friday for a good read. Thank you again for all the info.

CplusE2
post #597 of 2130
cpluse

Two problems.

Each TV requires a different calibration and the mini saves 125 points and not the much fewer points typical of all TVs.

With any luck, the tech will be intergrated into displays of the future.
post #598 of 2130
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Originally Posted by cpluse View Post

Thank you so much for the link and explaining what it does and how it works.
Since it saves the setting inside the device. Is there a way to take the setting out our to save on the TV? Reason i ask if i have multiple TV i would like to Calibrate them also. Going to download the manual friday for a good read. Thank you again for all the info.
CplusE2

Yes you can calibrate as many TV's in your house as you want (within reason) and store the calibrated settings and setup in the Mini. However if you want to have more than one TV being controlled by the Mini you would need a HDMI splitter or unplug the Mini from one TV and plug it into another TV . I think the Mini will only control one TV at a time, meaning the saved settings in your Mini can be switched from TV to TV by just pressing a button or two on the Mini's remote.

You can also save all your settings and how you have the Mini setup by downloading them to your PC using this free tool from Lumagen. See link below.
http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=utilities

ss
post #599 of 2130
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

cpluse
Two problems.
Each TV requires a different calibration and the mini saves 125 points and not the much fewer points typical of all TVs.
With any luck, the tech will be intergrated into displays of the future.

btw, I think you can do a much larger CMS than just the standard 125 pt calibration. And as I have posted in the Calibration thread you can do a 21 step grayscale calibration along with your 125pt or more CMS calibration in auto mode.

I haven't tried the larger pt (over 125PT) CMS yet but I do like using the 21 PT grayscale rather than the 10 pt grayscale that are VT50's limit us two.

Because the Mini controls and stores are VT50's calibrated settings and other things if you want, there is so much more available to the user than what we are use to when doing a calibration to input on are VT50"s.

However I am still not at the point of highly recommending the Mini, because of the high cost involved in going this route. As you know not only is there the cost of the Mini but the cost of the calibration software (CP or CM) and the a good meter.

Of-course there is less expensive way to do all of this, and that is hire a very good Calibrator that really knows his way around the Mini and the display that is being calibrated. Or you could rent the software and a good meter that has been profiled for this kind of calibration and do it yourself.

ss
post #600 of 2130
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

...snip...However I am still not at the point of highly recommending the Mini, because of the high cost involved in going this route. As you know not only is there the cost of the Mini but the cost of the calibration software (CP or CM) and the a good meter.

Of-course there is less expensive way to do all of this, and that is hire a very good Calibrator that really knows his way around the Mini and the display that is being calibrated. Or you could rent the software and a good meter that has been profiled for this kind of calibration and do it yourself.
ss

It's not cheap and one has to ask if dropping another $3K plus to get there is worth it or not. The answer obviously varies per person.

I'm still rooting that your manual calibration as detailed as you are will be as good or better than the lumagen's.
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