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post #61 of 1782
6/4/12 at 6:56pm
Ok, here's the latest. I'm pretty happy with this one with the exception of yellow. The picture looks very good in a well lit room (46 ftL).

My next project will be 3D. Does anyone know if I can just force the 709 disk from 2D to 3D and use the glasses in front of the i1 Pro?

I appreciate all the feedback and suggestions. The small APL windows work better with the higher output.

 

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post #62 of 1782
6/4/12 at 6:57pm
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Originally Posted by wmwilker View Post

Ok, here's the latest. I'm pretty happy with this one with the exception of yellow. The picture looks very good in a well lit room (46 ftL).

My next project will be 3D. Does anyone know if I can just force the 709 disk from 2D to 3D and use the glasses in front of the i1 Pro?

I appreciate all the feedback and suggestions. The small APL windows work better with the higher output.

Glad to hear it worked out! Yep, 46 sounds roughly to be what I got, at least with the 100% white window with the colored slides. I got a little less (around 44) with the B&W slides.
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post #63 of 1782
6/4/12 at 7:24pm
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Originally Posted by wmwilker View Post

Ok, here's the latest. I'm pretty happy with this one with the exception of yellow. The picture looks very good in a well lit room (46 ftL).

My next project will be 3D. Does anyone know if I can just force the 709 disk from 2D to 3D and use the glasses in front of the i1 Pro?

I appreciate all the feedback and suggestions. The small APL windows work better with the higher output.

Were there major changes in the settings you previously posted to achieve this revised masterpiece? Your calibration disciples would love know!
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post #64 of 1782
6/4/12 at 8:06pm
wmwilker when u get all the settings dialed can you post them in a list.

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post #65 of 1782
6/4/12 at 8:22pm
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Were there major changes in the settings you previously posted to achieve this revised masterpiece? Your calibration disciples would love know!

My new Day settings are much brighter so there are some differences. Let me watch these for a day or two to see if I want to tweak it more and I'll post my settings.
Not meant to be a sales pitch as I have no financial interest in ControlCal but if you purchase ControlCal you can get mine and any others who post their ControlCal files and unlock your ISF Day and Night modes. You don't need a meter or software to use it. Just be aware that it's the same as copying someone else's settings. They may or may not work on other sets. Just an FYI
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post #66 of 1782
6/4/12 at 9:58pm
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My new Day settings are much brighter so there are some differences. Let me watch these for a day or two to see if I want to tweak it more and I'll post my settings.
Not meant to be a sales pitch as I have no financial interest in ControlCal but if you purchase ControlCal you can get mine and any others who post their ControlCal files and unlock your ISF Day and Night modes. You don't need a meter or software to use it. Just be aware that it's the same as copying someone else's settings. They may or may not work on other sets. Just an FYI

Looking good!

Now if your settings pass the most critical test, your eyes. I wounder how many ISF calibrators out there will use your settings and pass them off as there's.

Yes I agree about Controlcal, nice app and nice guy that has it.

btw, are you finding yourself a little bored when viewing a movie and want to tweak?

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post #67 of 1782
6/5/12 at 5:13am
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Looking good!

Now if your settings pass the most critical test, your eyes. I wounder how many ISF calibrators out there will use your settings and pass them off as there's.

Yes I agree about Controlcal, nice app and nice guy that has it.

btw, are you finding yourself a little bored when viewing a movie and want to tweak?

ss

I must say I haven't watched many good (IMO) movies lately . I enjoyed Take Shelter last week but most have been crap. I'll usually watch parts of Casino Royale, Dark Knight and the new Underworld (bad movie but it is what it is. Great dark scenes). I'll also watch cable as that is on for the most part. If I see problems then when I get free time I'll jump into a calibration session. I'm still not happy with the yellow and it does show a little, I think. If I know there is a problem with the calibration I usually pick the picture apart until I re-calibrate. My OCD makes for some poor viewing habits.
But I try to watch for a while and get other opinions on the settings and go from there.

My ControlCal files are posted in the ControlCal forum if anyone wants to try them. They are in the zip file on the last post. They can be imported by ControlCal or you can open the XML file and see the settings.
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post #68 of 1782
6/6/12 at 2:43am
Hugo is a great flix for testing panel and calibration. It has a lot of varied scenes. It can be a bit slow here and there, but it is a beautifully made movie by Scorcese. I have even viewed it in 3D. Highly recommended.
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post #69 of 1782
6/6/12 at 4:59am
i got Calman but how do u use it i have isf night and isf day but it a;; says ISF fixed can't seem to load anything. anyone know how to fix this or like to tell me how to make it work. I am very new at this stuff.
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post #70 of 1782
6/6/12 at 5:51pm
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i got Calman but how do u use it i have isf night and isf day but it a;; says ISF fixed can't seem to load anything. anyone know how to fix this or like to tell me how to make it work. I am very new at this stuff.
Thanks

You're really going to want to get ControlCal. I know, it's another tool, but controlling the VT50 with CalMan is horrendous. Almost everyone is using CalMan or ChromaPure, + ControlCal for actually controlling the VT50 and unlocking the ISF modes.

Plus, Turbe (the developer) is a class act, and has been a huge help to all of us calibration newbies. You can find out more here: http://www.controlcal.com/
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post #71 of 1782
6/6/12 at 5:52pm
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Originally Posted by Tempest261 View Post

You're really going to want to get ControlCal. I know, it's another tool, but controlling the VT50 with CalMan is horrendous. Almost everyone is using CalMan or ChromaPure, + ControlCal for actually controlling the VT50 and unlocking the ISF modes.

+1 on ControlCal.
Tempest would you take a look at my report above and let me know what you think
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Edit: Sorry it's in the owners thread
Edited by wmwilker - 6/6/12 at 5:59pm
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post #72 of 1782
6/6/12 at 6:06pm
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+1 on ControlCal.
Tempest would you take a look at my report above and let me know what you think
Thanks
Edit: Sorry it's in the owners thread

Looks pretty good to me. I'm really hoping we'll one day be able to knock down that Luminance dE though... stupid broken CMS.

I'm kind-of taking a break from calibrating my VT50 since I'm trying to get a swap due to two dead pixels... don't want to put too much work into this panel until I get this resolved.

Also, I see you're profiling against an i1 Pro... I'm hoping to acquire one myself. If you hear of anyone ditching their i1 Pro for the new i1 Pro 2, send them my way smile.gif.
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post #73 of 1782
6/6/12 at 6:19pm
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Originally Posted by Tempest261 View Post

Looks pretty good to me. I'm really hoping we'll one day be able to knock down that Luminance dE though... stupid broken CMS.
I'm kind-of taking a break from calibrating my VT50 since I'm trying to get a swap due to two dead pixels... don't want to put too much work into this panel until I get this resolved.
Also, I see you're profiling against an i1 Pro... I'm hoping to acquire one myself. If you hear of anyone ditching their i1 Pro for the new i1 Pro 2, send them my way smile.gif.

I would keep an eye on ebay. Some guys in the Calibration forum found some really cheap. If you get an older one you can send it back to X-Rite and have it re-certified. I'm not sure of the cost but I don't think it's more than a $200.
They supposedly don't drift as much as the colorimeters.
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post #74 of 1782
6/6/12 at 6:52pm
getting controlcal now just waiting for the program and key

Thanks for the help
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post #75 of 1782
6/6/12 at 7:45pm
^^^

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post #76 of 1782
6/6/12 at 7:47pm
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Originally Posted by Tempest261 View Post

Looks pretty good to me. I'm really hoping we'll one day be able to knock down that Luminance dE though... stupid broken CMS.
I'm kind-of taking a break from calibrating my VT50 since I'm trying to get a swap due to two dead pixels... don't want to put too much work into this panel until I get this resolved. Also, I see you're profiling against an i1 Pro... I'm hoping to acquire one myself. If you hear of anyone ditching their i1 Pro for the new i1 Pro 2, send them my way smile.gif.

I have recently sold my four i1Pros Rev D's (the last one is still here but is reserved for a fellow VT50 owner here, lol unless he posts here and says he doesn't want it (don't think that's gonna happen)...

Where have you been? I even had them listed on Classifieds here and elsewhere (though they all sold to AVS members) smile.gif
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Plus, Turbe (the developer) is a class act, and has been a huge help to all of us calibration newbies.

thank you, sincerely... I really appreciate it...



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Edited by turbe - 6/6/12 at 8:03pm
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post #77 of 1782
6/6/12 at 8:08pm
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I have recently sold my four i1Pros Rev D's (the last one is still here but is reserved for a fellow VT50 owner here, lol unless he posts here and says he doesn't want it (don't think that's gonna happen)...
Where have you been? I even had them listed on Classifieds here and elsewhere (though they all sold to AVS members) smile.gif
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Haha- well... I just decided today that I might as well be doing this the right way. My i1 Display Pro can only go so far on its own smile.gif.

If you come across one for a good deal, please let me know smile.gif. I'm sure we'll start to see at least a little bump in the used availability now that the i1 Pro 2's are out.
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post #78 of 1782
6/7/12 at 6:32am
I have a Rev D that has been sealed in a case in my closet for about 3 years now. If you are interested in it, PM me an offer.
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Haha- well... I just decided today that I might as well be doing this the right way. My i1 Display Pro can only go so far on its own smile.gif.
If you come across one for a good deal, please let me know smile.gif. I'm sure we'll start to see at least a little bump in the used availability now that the i1 Pro 2's are out.
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post #79 of 1782
6/7/12 at 8:40pm
can u unlock day and night in 3d Mode can't seem to get that to work? I got everthing else working.
Using controlcAL
If anyone knows how to get it to work i would appreciate any info.

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post #80 of 1782
6/7/12 at 9:01pm
You need to send the display a 3D signal or do a 2D -3D conversion.
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can u unlock day and night in 3d Mode can't seem to get that to work? I got everthing else working.
Using controlcAL
If anyone knows how to get it to work i would appreciate any info.
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post #81 of 1782
6/7/12 at 9:33pm
will have to try that on friday night

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post #82 of 1782
6/8/12 at 2:31pm
Thanks got it working
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post #83 of 1782
6/8/12 at 5:04pm
@WM, can you post your updated ISF day settings.
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post #84 of 1782
6/8/12 at 7:39pm
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@WM, can you post your updated ISF day settings.

He has his latest Day report and settings posted Here (Post #5)

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post #85 of 1782
6/8/12 at 8:01pm
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@WM, can you post your updated ISF day settings.

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He has his latest Day report and settings posted Here (Post #5)
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You can open the XML file and get the settings from it.
If they work you may want to consider getting ControlCal so that you can open your Day and Night ISF modes. It's not very expensive and if the settings work you don't need meters or calibration software to use it Of course it's a 50 50 shot that they work on your set.
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post #86 of 1782
6/9/12 at 12:10am
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i got Calman but how do u use it i have isf night and isf day but it a;; says ISF fixed can't seem to load anything. anyone know how to fix this or like to tell me how to make it work. I am very new at this stuff.
Thanks

Take the time to learn how Calman works with your display and meter. After all if you don't know how to use Calman and your meter then all you will do is frustrate yourself.
There is a nice how to guide for Calman DIY, I think it is somewhere on Calmans web site.

When you start to use and understand how Calman works, try using Warm 2 and 2.2 gamma target. Your VT50 really can get everything right form a calibration standpoint.

Also make sure you turn off the osd (on screen display) when calibrating. When using your meter, imo its ok if the soft sponge like stuff on your meter touches your screen but only very lightly, once you are done let your display cool down and then take a soft clean cloth and gently wipe off any residue from the meter.

Remember one thing when calibrating, practice makes perfect, there are no short cuts (add-on software) to change this fact.

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post #87 of 1782
6/9/12 at 4:00am
Also remember that your calibration is only as good as your meter and other equipment/software and your ability to eyeball slight variations and know how to correct for them.
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post #88 of 1782
6/10/12 at 11:00am
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Has anyone done their cal with a RGB 4:4:4 source?

What do you mean by "RGB 4:4:4"? RGB has the chroma built in, so it really isn't 4:4:4 or 4:2:2. You can only do that in YCbCr.

However, I am seeing huge differences in the color luminance, hue, and saturation depending on whether I send the TV RGB or YCbCR (either 4:2:2 or 4:4:4).

With YCbCr you can cope with the non-functional luminance controls because all the colors are either too bright or too dim so the global color control can be used to get close to the correct luminance.

With RGB, however, red and blue are too bright and green is much too dim. So a single global control can't be used to fix the color.

Since there are big differences between RGB and YCbCr, a calibration for one kind of input would not be applicable to the other.
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post #89 of 1782
6/11/12 at 5:58am
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What do you mean by "RGB 4:4:4"? RGB has the chroma built in, so it really isn't 4:4:4 or 4:2:2. You can only do that in YCbCr.
However, I am seeing huge differences in the color luminance, hue, and saturation depending on whether I send the TV RGB or YCbCR (either 4:2:2 or 4:4:4).
With YCbCr you can cope with the non-functional luminance controls because all the colors are either too bright or too dim so the global color control can be used to get close to the correct luminance.
With RGB, however, red and blue are too bright and green is much too dim. So a single global control can't be used to fix the color.
Since there are big differences between RGB and YCbCr, a calibration for one kind of input would not be applicable to the other.
Roy

This is what I was afraid of, and making it impossible to really calibrate the TV to reference. Without the working luminance controls the CMS is busted.


RGB 4:4:4 just means full color (no subsampling) with separated RGB channels. Granted there is two different luminance ranges for RGB. I didn't make up the definition smile.gif I'm just using what was already defined. Don't kill the messenger wink.gif

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chroma_subsampling#4:4:4_R.27G.27B.27_.28no_subsampling.29

I too am seeing blue having way too much luminance with my RGB feed (almost +30%). There is no way to compensate for it. My green error isn't as bad as you describe, but it's there.

What size/type of patterns are you using for color calibration? I've tried small,media,large windows and APL versions. As well both 75% and 100%. Even with small windows I couldn't find any linearity measuring 75% and 100%; saturation wasn't consistent. Each one gave me different results frown.gif Which makes me think the TV will not track well from 0 to 100%.

Anyone know if there is a CMS fix in the works?
Edited by SiGGy - 6/11/12 at 6:51am
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post #90 of 1782
6/11/12 at 6:17am
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This is what I was afraid of, and making it impossible to really calibrate the TV to reference. Without the working luminance controls the CMS is busted.
RGB 4:4:4 just means full color with separated RGB channels. Granted there is two different luminance ranges for RGB. I didn't make up the definition smile.gif I'm just using what was already defined. Don't kill the messenger wink.gif
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chroma_subsampling#4:4:4_R.27G.27B.27_.28no_subsampling.29
I too am seeing blue having way too much luminance with my RGB feed (almost +30%). There is no way to compensate for it. My green error isn't as bad as you describe, but it's there.
What size/type of patterns are you using for color calibration? I've tried small,media,large windows and APL versions. As well both 75% and 100%. Even with small windows I couldn't find any linearity measuring 75% and 100%; saturation wasn't consistent. Each one gave me different results frown.gif Which makes me think the TV will not track well from 0 to 100%.
Anyone know if there is a CMS fix in the works?


You can see Buzzard767's Advanced color calibration results here http://www.avsforum.com/t/1408338/official-panasonic-vt50-owners-thread/1860#post_22087598 CMS is not very linear.

It's the second file
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