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post #841 of 1780
1/8/13 at 11:09pm
Hey guys,

Currently breaking in my new 65vt50, and I have some questions about calibration, as the last time I did any calibration was on Fight Club's THX menus back in 2006. Hoping you can help me out...

1. I obviously can't unlock ISF modes without going into the service menu, but SpectraCal and CalMan appear to be Windows only. Setting up a Windows partition on my Mac for them just seems like a huge pain in the butt. Is there any other way to unlock ISF settings without having to hook up a Windows PC or laptop? Or is there Mac-based calibration software out there?

2. Re: question 1, everyone's settings posted in this thread and around the interwebs look like there are a million settings options. I'm assuming these are settings you see only through software like SpectraCal and CalMan?

3. Also re: question 1, if "custom" mode is my only option without hours of finagling with my Mac, Windows partitions, Boot camp, etc, is there any way to be totally happy using just the AVSHD disc?

Thanks in advance.

-Aj
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post #842 of 1780
1/9/13 at 12:00am
Hello,
My 65vt50 will arrive this Friday, I'm a newbie and I want to calibrate my tv, can somebody pls post the links of calman which hardware and software should I buy. I have an old Mac with windows Xp installed, will the software work? I only have a ps3 for bluray player, can I use this? Sorry for such a newbie questions smile.gif

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post #843 of 1780
1/9/13 at 1:57am
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Hello,
My 65vt50 will arrive this Friday, I'm a newbie and I want to calibrate my tv, can somebody pls post the links of calman which hardware and software should I buy. I have an old Mac with windows Xp installed, will the software work? I only have a ps3 for bluray player, can I use this? Sorry for such a newbie questions smile.gif
Thanks

http://store.spectracal.com/downloads.html

If you get Calman, I would go with this package, for starters. http://store.spectracal.com/calman-5-control-with-i1-display-pro-bundle.html
If you realty want something extra special then this. http://store.spectracal.com/consumer/lumagen-radiancemini-3d-calibration-package.html
Also The Mini 3D is a pattern generator and works automatically with Calman to display the proper window patterns, so everything for a standard or LUT cube calibration (in any mode incl ISF and 3D modes) becomes automatic and imo the results are better than any pro calibrator can do on a standard calibration.
Tip, call Calman sales tell them you are from AVS and you probably will get a discount on a package deal.

Your old lap top, probably will not work very well if at all.

Yes you can use your ps3 for window patterns and what ever kind of formats it will support.

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post #844 of 1780
1/9/13 at 4:07am
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Originally Posted by Oh2Smooth View Post

My 2 cents. I just tried robnix's settings briefly and his are pretty similar to wmwilker's day setting but on my set I like wmwilker's color more. Robnix's seem a bit muted to me.

That may be the difference between the 2.2 and 2.4 gamma setting. The 2.2 looks a little more on the natural side to me, as often mentioned though it probably varies from panels as to who's settings works better. smile.gif
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post #845 of 1780
1/9/13 at 6:20am
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Originally Posted by Styphin View Post

Hey guys,
Currently breaking in my new 65vt50, and I have some questions about calibration, as the last time I did any calibration was on Fight Club's THX menus back in 2006. Hoping you can help me out...
1. I obviously can't unlock ISF modes without going into the service menu, but SpectraCal and CalMan appear to be Windows only. Setting up a Windows partition on my Mac for them just seems like a huge pain in the butt. Is there any other way to unlock ISF settings without having to hook up a Windows PC or laptop? Or is there Mac-based calibration software out there?
2. Re: question 1, everyone's settings posted in this thread and around the interwebs look like there are a million settings options. I'm assuming these are settings you see only through software like SpectraCal and CalMan?
3. Also re: question 1, if "custom" mode is my only option without hours of finagling with my Mac, Windows partitions, Boot camp, etc, is there any way to be totally happy using just the AVSHD disc?
Thanks in advance.
-Aj

You could always run a Windows VM in Virtualbox.
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post #846 of 1780
1/9/13 at 6:46am
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Originally Posted by Oh2Smooth View Post

My 2 cents. I just tried robnix's settings briefly and his are pretty similar to wmwilker's day setting but on my set I like wmwilker's color more. Robnix's seem a bit muted to me.

Setting will vary from set to set, that's the nice thing about having multiple people post them. :-)
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post #847 of 1780
1/9/13 at 7:10am
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Originally Posted by robnix View Post

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Originally Posted by Oh2Smooth View Post

My 2 cents. I just tried robnix's settings briefly and his are pretty similar to wmwilker's day setting but on my set I like wmwilker's color more. Robnix's seem a bit muted to me.

Setting will vary from set to set, that's the nice thing about having multiple people post them. :-)

Right, and I wasn't complaining just contributing my feedback on a variety of settings. Thanks for you contribution to the settings pool. smile.gif
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post #848 of 1780
1/9/13 at 10:25am
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Originally Posted by Oh2Smooth View Post

My 2 cents. I just tried robnix's settings briefly and his are pretty similar to wmwilker's day setting but on my set I like wmwilker's color more. Robnix's seem a bit muted to me.

My Day settings are @ about 45 ftL and robnix's are @ 36 ftL if I read his charts right. I would think there is a lot of difference. My Night settings are @ 36 flL and I would think comparing my Night and his Day settings would be more apples to apples.
His charts look excellent so I would think if they work on your set they would be great.
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post #849 of 1780
1/9/13 at 10:36am
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Originally Posted by Styphin View Post

Hey guys,
Currently breaking in my new 65vt50, and I have some questions about calibration, as the last time I did any calibration was on Fight Club's THX menus back in 2006. Hoping you can help me out...
1. I obviously can't unlock ISF modes without going into the service menu, but SpectraCal and CalMan appear to be Windows only. Setting up a Windows partition on my Mac for them just seems like a huge pain in the butt. Is there any other way to unlock ISF settings without having to hook up a Windows PC or laptop? Or is there Mac-based calibration software out there?
2. Re: question 1, everyone's settings posted in this thread and around the interwebs look like there are a million settings options. I'm assuming these are settings you see only through software like SpectraCal and CalMan?
3. Also re: question 1, if "custom" mode is my only option without hours of finagling with my Mac, Windows partitions, Boot camp, etc, is there any way to be totally happy using just the AVSHD disc?
Thanks in advance.
-Aj

1. You can activate the ISF Day and Night options using ControlCal (accessing the service menu is generally discouraged). It isn't calibration software like Calman or ChromaPure, but a tool that you can use with those programs or in a standalone mode. Contact user Turbe who is often in these threads or go to ControlCal.com. Pretty sure that ControlCal can be run on a Mac via Bootcamp or a virtual machine.

2. The settings you see on the various forums are the same that are available manually in the Custom mode (or the ISF modes, once unlocked) via the remote control.

3. Only you can decide whether you will be "totally happy" with just using a calibration disk results. Without instruments, the disk will only help you in setting the basic user settings (e.g. brightness, contrast, color, tint...and you'll need a blue filter). Try it out and decide.
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post #850 of 1780
1/9/13 at 10:50am
I own the i1 Display 2 http://www.xrite.com/product_overview.aspx?id=788

I have not tried home calibration before, I just got the 65VT50. Is the i1 Display 2 something I can use to try and calibrate my 65VT50?
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post #851 of 1780
1/9/13 at 10:54am
Hi nikolausp,

You can..but..

How old is your i1 Display 2? If it's old, it's most likely drifted and you really won't know if it's accurate on your Display if new unless you have a spectro to check it against.

You may want to check out this Thread which is related to what you are asking (and I posted some other links there in regards to Colorimeters vs Spectrometers, why you want a Spectro).

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1450707/calibration-device


EDIT: forgot link smile.gif
Edited by turbe - 1/9/13 at 11:01am
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post #852 of 1780
1/9/13 at 11:31am
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Originally Posted by turbe View Post

Hi nikolausp,
You can..but..
How old is your i1 Display 2? If it's old, it's most likely drifted and you really won't know if it's accurate on your Display if new unless you have a spectro to check it against.
You may want to check out this Thread which is related to what you are asking (and I posted some other links there in regards to Colorimeters vs Spectrometers, why you want a Spectro).
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1450707/calibration-device
EDIT: forgot link smile.gif

my i1 Display 2 is maybe 3 years old or so. It has only been used 3 or 4 times.... Does age make them drift, or heavy usage ? Mine has very very light usage.

By the way, thanks for the link and PM with info, I will check the links out!
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post #853 of 1780
1/9/13 at 11:40am
Age.. how they are stored as well..

IMO, you need a new meter, 3 years is to long for that meter series, you could also get a i1Pro Spectro to profile the i1D2 to on your actual display.

If you are going to stick to a colorimeter, check out the newer generation i1 Display 3 Series (suggest the OEM version).

Do read all the replies/info in the links I posted in Post #2 (that thread is linked in my Post above).
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post #854 of 1780
1/9/13 at 8:31pm
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Originally Posted by wmwilker View Post

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Originally Posted by Oh2Smooth View Post

My 2 cents. I just tried robnix's settings briefly and his are pretty similar to wmwilker's day setting but on my set I like wmwilker's color more. Robnix's seem a bit muted to me.

My Day settings are @ about 45 ftL and robnix's are @ 36 ftL if I read his charts right. I would think there is a lot of difference. My Night settings are @ 36 flL and I would think comparing my Night and his Day settings would be more apples to apples.
His charts look excellent so I would think if they work on your set they would be great.

I will look again and see if I notice a difference. One thing I'm maybe doing wrong is I stored you day setting in ISF night and his day setting in ISF so I could quickly switch bay and forth. Does that matter or are day and night just 2 different names/places to store settings?
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post #855 of 1780
1/9/13 at 8:37pm
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Originally Posted by Oh2Smooth View Post

Does that matter or are day and night just 2 different names/places to store settings?
It does not matter, the memories labels are meaningless... isf Night could be MY MEMORY 1 and isf Day could be MY MEMORY 2
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post #856 of 1780
1/9/13 at 8:55pm
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Originally Posted by turbe View Post

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Originally Posted by Oh2Smooth View Post

Does that matter or are day and night just 2 different names/places to store settings?
It does not matter, the memories labels are meaningless... isf Night could be MY MEMORY 1 and isf Day could be MY MEMORY 2

That's what I thought so Ill just make sure I actually have loaded in there what I think I do and compare them again.
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post #857 of 1780
1/9/13 at 10:15pm
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Originally Posted by wmwilker View Post

My Day settings are @ about 45 ftL and robnix's are @ 36 ftL if I read his charts right. I would think there is a lot of difference. My Night settings are @ 36 flL and I would think comparing my Night and his Day settings would be more apples to apples.
His charts look excellent so I would think if they work on your set they would be great.

Depending on whether you're using 10% windows or 2% windows, you can make that peak white number change quite a bit. Same with gamma.
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post #858 of 1780
1/9/13 at 11:17pm
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Depending on whether you're using 10% windows or 2% windows, you can make that peak white number change quite a bit. Same with gamma.

Good point Jim, and just to add meter placement also will come into play.

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post #859 of 1780
1/10/13 at 4:58am
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Depending on whether you're using 10% windows or 2% windows, you can make that peak white number change quite a bit. Same with gamma.

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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

Good point Jim, and just to add meter placement also will come into play.

ss

Very true.

FYI On my TV calibration I used AVS709 disk with meter in contact. I think the windows are >10%
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post #860 of 1780
1/10/13 at 7:37am
Hey guys! I will be getting my VT in Feb. (it feels like forever away). I still have my Avia disc from 5-6 years ago with the RGB filters. What do you all think about me using that for calibration? Is it worth it or just stick it on a THX mode I like?
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post #861 of 1780
1/10/13 at 9:50am
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Originally Posted by Sire3296 View Post

Hey guys! I will be getting my VT in Feb. (it feels like forever away). I still have my Avia disc from 5-6 years ago with the RGB filters. What do you all think about me using that for calibration? Is it worth it or just stick it on a THX mode I like?

Assuming that is not a bluray ? It is mastered to a different standard REC 601 I believe so if could affect your settings. Why not just download AVS709 from here and use that ?
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post #862 of 1780
1/10/13 at 10:53am
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Originally Posted by wmwilker View Post


Very true.

FYI On my TV calibration I used AVS709 disk with meter in contact. I think the windows are >10%

I did my ISF calibration that is in my sig with the AVS disc also with the 11% windows and my I1pro 2. That was before I got my Mini 3D and the C6 meter. I did have to correct the 10 & 20 % IRE's by eye but all in all I think that calibration came out ok.

I am glad to see you are finally getting recognition for your good work in posting your calibrated settings. You surely deserve it.smile.gif

ss
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post #863 of 1780
1/10/13 at 11:38am
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Originally Posted by laulau View Post

1. You can activate the ISF Day and Night options using ControlCal (accessing the service menu is generally discouraged). It isn't calibration software like Calman or ChromaPure, but a tool that you can use with those programs or in a standalone mode. Contact user Turbe who is often in these threads or go to ControlCal.com. Pretty sure that ControlCal can be run on a Mac via Bootcamp or a virtual machine.

2. The settings you see on the various forums are the same that are available manually in the Custom mode (or the ISF modes, once unlocked) via the remote control.

3. Only you can decide whether you will be "totally happy" with just using a calibration disk results. Without instruments, the disk will only help you in setting the basic user settings (e.g. brightness, contrast, color, tint...and you'll need a blue filter). Try it out and decide.

Thanks! Your feedback is very much appreciated.
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post #864 of 1780
1/10/13 at 11:53am
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Originally Posted by laulau View Post

Pretty sure that ControlCal can be run on a Mac via Bootcamp or a virtual machine.

That is correct, many run ControlCAL on Macs using Bootcamp, Parallels, VM Fusion etc.
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post #865 of 1780
1/10/13 at 12:43pm
Is it just me? or when watching a movie or tv show at night. I'll be staring at the screen and move my eyes quick to look at a different part of the screen and I'll experience like a rainbow flash effect. Its not a screen flaw but are my eyes playing a game with me cause it's a plasma screen? Anyway to stop it? It's annoying lol
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post #866 of 1780
1/10/13 at 1:08pm
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

I did my ISF calibration that is in my sig with the AVS disc also with the 11% windows and my I1pro 2. That was before I got my Mini 3D and the C6 meter. I did have to correct the 10 & 20 % IRE's by eye but all in all I think that calibration came out ok.

I am glad to see you are finally getting recognition for your good work in posting your calibrated settings. You surely deserve it.smile.gif

ss

Thanks, I'm glad the settings are helping some but I'm doing it for selfish reasons.smile.gif I checked a few week ago and I now have over 1500 hours on my set and I'm ready to jump in the calibration hole again. I want to try some of the settings that you suggested, Warm 1 and 2.2 gamma, and see how they look. I think I'm ready to try 3D while I'm doing it as I have watched a few 3D movies and I'm pretty disappointed in the factory settings. I will keep y'all posted on my progress and of course I'm open to suggestions.
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post #867 of 1780
1/10/13 at 4:43pm
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Originally Posted by wmwilker View Post

I'm open to suggestions.



Maybe my eyes are bad, my expectations are too high, or I'm just used to my old DLP.. but I find no matter who's settings I've tried- the 'black crush' is bad, the whites bleed, and the colors are exaggerated and over-saturated.

Examples-

#1- the announcers on Monday night football seem to often wear a black shirt with a black jacket and black pants. All I see is mostly a black blob with a head on it.

#2- I watched a movie with subtitles the other day. On the black screen, the white letters weren't crisp, they seemed to bleed past the edges as if looking into a bright headlight or the sun.

#3- the colors on just about everything are more than real life. Like an old move that has been colorized...with some of the bleed mentioned above.


Don't get me wrong, on some parts of some scenes, the picture is fantastic. I almost feel the TV really highlights when a good picture is good, and when a bad picture or signal is bad.. it shows that as well.


BTW- in case anyone else doesn't know it either..and I feel like an idiot once I realized it- when you switch to NetFlix, it is considered a different input, so you are no longer watching through your custom settings.. you need to adjust the settings for the Viera Connect as well.
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post #868 of 1780
1/10/13 at 5:08pm
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Originally Posted by Bigjoemeat View Post

Is it just me? or when watching a movie or tv show at night. I'll be staring at the screen and move my eyes quick to look at a different part of the screen and I'll experience like a rainbow flash effect. Its not a screen flaw but are my eyes playing a game with me cause it's a plasma screen? Anyway to stop it? It's annoying lol

No, it's not you. The red phosphor is slow. The only fix would be a different TV. There's lots of little quirks if you have a keen eye...
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1/10/13 at 7:44pm
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Originally Posted by powerdubs View Post

Maybe my eyes are bad, my expectations are too high, or I'm just used to my old DLP.. but I find no matter who's settings I've tried- the 'black crush' is bad, the whites bleed, and the colors are exaggerated and over-saturated.

Examples-

#1- the announcers on Monday night football seem to often wear a black shirt with a black jacket and black pants. All I see is mostly a black blob with a head on it.

#2- I watched a movie with subtitles the other day. On the black screen, the white letters weren't crisp, they seemed to bleed past the edges as if looking into a bright headlight or the sun.

#3- the colors on just about everything are more than real life. Like an old move that has been colorized...with some of the bleed mentioned above.


Don't get me wrong, on some parts of some scenes, the picture is fantastic. I almost feel the TV really highlights when a good picture is good, and when a bad picture or signal is bad.. it shows that as well.


BTW- in case anyone else doesn't know it either..and I feel like an idiot once I realized it- when you switch to NetFlix, it is considered a different input, so you are no longer watching through your custom settings.. you need to adjust the settings for the Viera Connect as well.

How do things look on say THX Bright Room?
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post #870 of 1780
1/10/13 at 9:09pm
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Originally Posted by Sire3296 View Post

Hey guys! I will be getting my VT in Feb. (it feels like forever away). I still have my Avia disc from 5-6 years ago with the RGB filters. What do you all think about me using that for calibration? Is it worth it or just stick it on a THX mode I like?

Those filters don't work with the VT50.

Documented in the flat panel shootout.
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