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post #61 of 209
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post

Similar to Audioguy, I'm using one with a Sony1000 and Lumagen, with it typicially set at 40.   I like the result.

I have the Sony1000 as well. You using in addition to Reality Creation?
post #62 of 209
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Originally Posted by adidino View Post


I have the Sony1000 as well. You using in addition to Reality Creation?


Yes.   The 1000 with RC is of course already outstanding.    The way I would describe the DD's enhancement is an increase in intra-scene contrast.   Using sparingly, I do think it makes a positive contribution.

 

PS   Another way to describe my impression is that the DD makes the pic contrastier.    E.g., in looking at a tree, the DD darkens the dark areas and lightens the bright ones.    Too much, though, can look very artificial; e.g., on a close up of a male face with (fashionable) stubble, too much DD can make the dark hairs jump out, and the facial moisture too bright, so that it does become cartoonish.   But in the range 30 to 40, I find it nice.


Edited by millerwill - 6/18/12 at 8:55am
post #63 of 209
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post


Yes.   The 1000 with RC is of course already outstanding.    The way I would describe the DD's enhancement is an increase in intra-scene contrast.   Using sparingly, I do think it makes a positive contribution.

PS   Another way to describe my impression is that the DD makes the pic contrastier.    E.g., in looking at a tree, the DD darkens the dark areas and lightens the bright ones.    Too much, though, can look very artificial; e.g., on a close up of a male face with (fashionable) stubble, too much DD can make the dark hairs jump out, and the facial moisture too bright, so that it does become cartoonish.   But in the range 30 to 40, I find it nice.

Thanks. What levels are you setting RC in conjunction with the DD?
Edited by adidino - 6/18/12 at 3:31pm
post #64 of 209
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Originally Posted by adidino View Post


Thanks. What levels are you setting RC in conjustion with the DD?


I'll have to check tonight when I get home.

post #65 of 209
Anyone?:-)
post #66 of 209
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Originally Posted by adidino View Post


Thanks. What levels are you setting RC in conjunction with the DD?


I have Resolution at 20, and Noise Filtering at 10, therefore very low; haven't really played with them that much.

post #67 of 209
I have a Darblet and am using it "judiciously" with my Sim2 HT5000. I use it for all DirecTV material and I like the look at about 50 to 60 depending on program material. Higher if the program is particularly soft. On Blu-Ray's I either don't use it or set it no higher than about 40 on softer material. I can see artifacts on the Spears & Munsil DVD above 30, but only on the test patterns, never on program material. I consider it a great value if I control myself in its use.
post #68 of 209
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Originally Posted by Citation4444 View Post

I have a Darblet and am using it "judiciously" with my Sim2 HT5000. I use it for all DirecTV material and I like the look at about 50 to 60 depending on program material. Higher if the program is particularly soft. On Blu-Ray's I either don't use it or set it no higher than about 40 on softer material. I can see artifacts on the Spears & Munsil DVD above 30, but only on the test patterns, never on program material. I consider it a great value if I control myself in its use.

We would sure be interested to know which S & M test pattern(s), the Darblet processing Mode(s) and the Setting(s) for which you are seeing artifacts. You don't need to include the Full Pop Mode results as artifacts in that Mode are to be expected.

-DD
post #69 of 209
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Originally Posted by DarbeeDr View Post

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Originally Posted by Citation4444 View Post

I have a Darblet and am using it "judiciously" with my Sim2 HT5000. I use it for all DirecTV material and I like the look at about 50 to 60 depending on program material. Higher if the program is particularly soft. On Blu-Ray's I either don't use it or set it no higher than about 40 on softer material. I can see artifacts on the Spears & Munsil DVD above 30, but only on the test patterns, never on program material. I consider it a great value if I control myself in its use.

We would sure be interested to know which S & M test pattern(s), the Darblet processing Mode(s) and the Setting(s) for which you are seeing artifacts. You don't need to include the Full Pop Mode results as artifacts in that Mode are to be expected.

-DD
Using the green HD mode at any level above about 40 gives artifacts in both the Luma Zone Plate pattern and the Chroma Zone Plate pattern. It shows up slightly at 40 and gets progressively worse at higher levels. It shows up in the background of the patterns like pools of spilled paint. I don't know how serious this is, or if it is serious at all, as I haven't noticed these artifacts in any program material.

I also get artifacts in the text of the HDNET test pattern that I recorded some time ago on DirecTV. This artifact presents itself at about 50% in the green HD mode. It shows up with the black text on a gray background. The artifact is a lightening of the space between letters. As the Darbee percentage is increased the space between letters changes brightness and gets brighter until at 100% the spaces are virtually white. It's like going from 30% to 100% on a grayscale, and only between letters. I wouldn't describe it as a halo effect, and it's not too distracting at all, but it is present.

The S&M artifacts have been reported by others, most notably by Mark_H, IIRC.

Hope this helps.
post #70 of 209
Here you go... ignore the moiring as it's exacerbated by the shrinking of the image, but look at the big vertical "pools" in the image - they aren't present when the Darblet processing is turned off. Here, at 120% they are clearly visible. At my preferred setting of 35% they don't really show up much.

And as above, such issues aren't obvious when viewing films etc, but this clearly shows that the Darblet is impacting upon the image, which is of course no surprise given that we know the Darblet changes the image.

351

The problem artefact for me is the trailing/ghosting I reported on text in Chronicles of Riddick, but again, as low levels you don't see it, only when the percentage is pushed high.
post #71 of 209
Mark, would it be possible to post more pics in 10% increments. Just curious to see the difference.

Thanks,
Ck
post #72 of 209
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Originally Posted by Citation4444 View Post

Using the green HD mode at any level above about 40 gives artifacts in both the Luma Zone Plate pattern and the Chroma Zone Plate pattern. It shows up slightly at 40 and gets progressively worse at higher levels. It shows up in the background of the patterns like pools of spilled paint. I don't know how serious this is, or if it is serious at all, as I haven't noticed these artifacts in any program material.
I also get artifacts in the text of the HDNET test pattern that I recorded some time ago on DirecTV. This artifact presents itself at about 50% in the green HD mode. It shows up with the black text on a gray background. The artifact is a lightening of the space between letters. As the Darbee percentage is increased the space between letters changes brightness and gets brighter until at 100% the spaces are virtually white. It's like going from 30% to 100% on a grayscale, and only between letters. I wouldn't describe it as a halo effect, and it's not too distracting at all, but it is present.
The S&M artifacts have been reported by others, most notably by Mark_H, IIRC.
Hope this helps.

Thank you very much. Your findings are very helpful for cross reference against our technical errata.

-DD
post #73 of 209
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Originally Posted by Mark_H View Post

Here you go... ignore the moiring as it's exacerbated by the shrinking of the image, but look at the big vertical "pools" in the image - they aren't present when the Darblet processing is turned off. Here, at 120% they are clearly visible. At my preferred setting of 35% they don't really show up much.
And as above, such issues aren't obvious when viewing films etc, but this clearly shows that the Darblet is impacting upon the image, which is of course no surprise given that we know the Darblet changes the image.
351
The problem artefact for me is the trailing/ghosting I reported on text in Chronicles of Riddick, but again, as low levels you don't see it, only when the percentage is pushed high.

Thank you for this excellent example. We certainly do modify the image.

-DD
post #74 of 209
OK, here is an example of the texting artefact. I *have* seen this during a film (Chronicles of Riddick, chapter 2, when planet name is on screen) and it's the only time I've been aware of something being wrong as opposed to the image being simply over processed. Again, once the Darblet is dialled back to 35% or so the artefact vanishes.

Apologies for pic quality here (handheld iPhone image).

This is POP mode at 120% to exacerbate the problem.

362
post #75 of 209
Next question is when or how far away will there be A Fix biggrin.gif,

Because the Darblet has A colorspace bug thus we cant send the Displays native colorspace in most cases YcBcR
would likely show through on S&M tespatterns regardless when non optimum colorspace is being sent...
post #76 of 209
Are all those extra circles erroneous, or are they just exaggerated by the processing?

If the former, that seems odd if the Darblet is supposed to work on adjacent area contrast cues.

If the
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Originally Posted by Mark_H View Post

Here you go... ignore the moiring as it's exacerbated by the shrinking of the image, but look at the big vertical "pools" in the image - they aren't present when the Darblet processing is turned off. Here, at 120% they are clearly visible. At my preferred setting of 35% they don't really show up much.
And as above, such issues aren't obvious when viewing films etc, but this clearly shows that the Darblet is impacting upon the image, which is of course no surprise given that we know the Darblet changes the image.
351
The problem artefact for me is the trailing/ghosting I reported on text in Chronicles of Riddick, but again, as low levels you don't see it, only when the percentage is pushed high.
post #77 of 209
Those circles "moiring" are due to the image being compressed for posting,
Its the Color pools/blobs that Mark is pointing out..
post #78 of 209
Ah, I see them, thanks.
post #79 of 209
I've hooked up the Darbee between my Lumagen Radiance XE and my Sim2 C3X 1080 3chip DLP - 2D only - projector.

I've been using the Darbee on both DirecTV and now my Theta Digital Compl Blu blu ray player
(modded by Theta Oppo BDP-83). I finc that I prefer the "Hi Def" setting at 35. Higher than 35 appears to start getting too sharp. Also, my pre-Darbee settings on the Sim2 projector are 24 for noise reduction and 6 for sharpness. With the Darbee, I have found that reducing the sharpness to zero, but leaving the same noise reduction setting as before, gives me clearly the best picture, again on both DirecTV and blu ray.

Tonight we watched the recently released blu ray of the Ghost Rider sequel. WOW1 Talk about a great movie for contrast. Black scenes with the Ghost Rirder's fire!!@@ More real life definition, people look more "3D" and black seems blacker with white seeming whiter!!

I am starting to get impressed!
post #80 of 209
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Originally Posted by cinema mad View Post

Those circles "moiring" are due to the image being compressed for posting,
Its the Color pools/blobs that Mark is pointing out..

Mine is on its way Jase. Have you received yours back yet?
post #81 of 209
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Originally Posted by Steve Bruzonsky View Post

I've hooked up the Darbee between my Lumagen Radiance XE and my Sim2 C3X 1080 3chip DLP - 2D only - projector.
I've been using the Darbee on both DirecTV and now my Theta Digital Compl Blu blu ray player
(modded by Theta Oppo BDP-83). I finc that I prefer the "Hi Def" setting at 35. Higher than 35 appears to start getting too sharp. Also, my pre-Darbee settings on the Sim2 projector are 24 for noise reduction and 6 for sharpness. With the Darbee, I have found that reducing the sharpness to zero, but leaving the same noise reduction setting as before, gives me clearly the best picture, again on both DirecTV and blu ray.
Tonight we watched the recently released blu ray of the Ghost Rider sequel. WOW1 Talk about a great movie for contrast. Black scenes with the Ghost Rirder's fire!!@@ More real life definition, people look more "3D" and black seems blacker with white seeming whiter!!
I am starting to get impressed!

That's good to read. I'm looking forward to mine.
post #82 of 209
Can't wait to get mine. Hopefully by this Monday I'll be Darbletized.
post #83 of 209
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Originally Posted by Waboman View Post

Can't wait to get mine. Hopefully by this Monday I'll be Darbletized.

Looking forward reading your reviews wabo.
post #84 of 209
Got my new Darblet yesterday to use with my JVC RS40 and Lumagen XD, I'm still having the color space issue that I thought was going to be fixed. I have to turn my projector for RGB for it to display properly, I thought that was to be fixed with the new firmware. I obviously got new firmware as I am able to adjust control by increments of 1. My firmware version is 1.3.21 and it says software version 2.8.2205. Other than that, I put in a blu-ray I had watched and was familiar with and turned the setting to Hi Def and turned it to around 55%. It does do what people say, it sharpens image and it's like a veil is lifted. It's neat to pause an image and turn it on/off to see what it does to image. Very nice especially for the price.

Mike
post #85 of 209
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

Looking forward reading your reviews wabo.

Guess what showed up today? That's right, my Darbee.cool.gif After the kids go to bed, I have a date with a Darblet.
post #86 of 209
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Originally Posted by Waboman View Post

Guess what showed up today? That's right, my Darbee.cool.gif After the kids go to bed, I have a date with a Darblet.

How did your date go? was it successful ? biggrin.gif
post #87 of 209
@DarbeeDr - Any chance in the near future for a model that is rack- or cabinet-friendly to be released? You know, just a standard black rectangular box with all the controls on the front and all the connections in the rear? This current design with the cables coming out both sides would be very awkward to use with stacked equipment in a rack cabinet... I would buy one of these in a heartbeat if they were in a proper case... Thanks!
post #88 of 209
Finally set mine up i have to admit im impressed. Im at HD 50% and for that price it was a worthwhile investment. smile.gif
post #89 of 209
Well I couldnt stop myself, should be getting mine on Saturday
post #90 of 209
Just a follow up as I have been using Darblet for about 5-6 movies now. Everyone with a projector should have one of these. I'm still very happy with the results it produces. It's kind of like you don't know what you are missing till its gone. I was watching a movie last night and watched 5 minutes with the Darblet off, then watched the same 5 minutes with it on and it's like I had better focus and a sharper more detailed picture.

Call AVScience and get one of these!!

Mike
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