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Looking to replace my velodyne vx-10

post #1 of 21
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Need to spend under 200. My room is small, 10x12 with 8 ft ceiling. Would like deeper bass than the velodyne is capable of. Amazon has a pinnacle sub-sonix 10-200 for 150, any thoughts? Also looking at the Dayton, BIC, and PA subs. Any advice would be welcome. Thanks in advance.
Marc
post #2 of 21
Given your circumstances the BIC F12 is probably a good choice.
post #3 of 21
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the reply. You think I need a 12 for this small a room? Gonna be a tight fit. Currently located between my TV and left front. With the velodyne I got really lucky that it sounded good there.
post #4 of 21
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

Given your circumstances the BIC F12 is probably a good choice.

+2 for his budget
post #5 of 21
Thread Starter 
Damn, its 19 in wide. Gonna be too wide I think. Any other suggestions?
post #6 of 21
Some indication of what size you need to accommodate would probably be useful then, otherwise any other suggestion might also not work.
post #7 of 21
Thread Starter 
Good point lol. My velodyne is 12 in wide, at best I may be able to do 13-14 inches wide. Height and depth are not an issue. No one answered my other question about sub size. Do I need to go up to a 12 to get deep bass at this price point? My problem is the mains are measured off perfectly and I would prefer not to move them.
post #8 of 21
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I'm also not seeing any love for the pinnacle lol. I figured a 500 dollar sub marked down to 150 might be a smooth deal. On amazon it says the sub will do mid 20's, which is about 10 Hz below what the velodyne is capable of...
post #9 of 21
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Originally Posted by marcus71 View Post

I'm also not seeing any love for the pinnacle lol. I figured a 500 dollar sub marked down to 150 might be a smooth deal. On amazon it says the sub will do mid 20's, which is about 10 Hz below what the velodyne is capable of...


Don't confuse tuning point with extension. Also, there's no real standard of measurement when it comes manufacturer ratings. With proper placement and set up, I've actually got 2 VX 10s to extend down close to 25 hz in my small den. If your looking for considerably deeper bass, you may want to consider spending a bit more then $200.00


Ian
post #10 of 21
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How did you measure this? And how small is your den?
post #11 of 21
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My vx-10 is from the first year of production. How different is the vx-11 sonicly (sp)? I can probably squeeze in a second sub on the other side of the room.
post #12 of 21
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Originally Posted by marcus71 View Post

How did you measure this? And how small is your den?

Using an spl meter and test tone disc. http://www.realtraps.com/test-cd.htm 10X20 with an 8ft ceiling. Keep in mind, having two doesn't change how low they will go, but it does effect how steep the roll off is in terms of output. The VX11 is very similar, but more energy efficient due to its class D amp.



Ian
post #13 of 21
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Yeah I know but I'm wondering if 2 would "sound" better...
post #14 of 21
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Yeah I know but I'm wondering if 2 would "sound" better...


I my case yes. Much smoother response and better over all impact.



Ian
post #15 of 21
Thread Starter 
Cool. Thanks man. I may do that then...
post #16 of 21
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@ mail. Do you have a receiver that does audyssey? If so did you have to put the gain almost all the way down on your vx-10's?
post #17 of 21
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My vx-10 is from the first year of production. How different is the vx-11 sonicly (sp)? I can probably squeeze in a second sub on the other side of the room.

I have both and the vx11 is more powerful. Sonically, both are great musical subs ie not one note subs.
post #18 of 21
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@ mail. Do you have a receiver that does audyssey? If so did you have to put the gain almost all the way down on your vx-10's?

It does, but I prefer to set it up manually using test tones and an spl meter. With a Y connection (recommended) your gain should be around 12 on a older model. (The later versions are closer to 9)

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Originally Posted by chikoo View Post

I have both and the vx11 is more powerful. Sonically, both are great musical subs ie not one note subs.


The VX11's like the newer VX10's have a higher input sensitivity and require less gain, but peak output is the same. Both are very linear, and are faithful to music as well as home theater.


Ian
post #19 of 21
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Was driving me nuts, I had to redo audyssey like 5-10 times. Every time lowering the gain by 1. Ch lvl was -12 until I cranked it down to like one from the bottom. Then it sounded weak. Found on this site most people raise the sub lvl +3 at the receiver and that seemed to do the trick. I have an spl meter, but want the eq of audyssey before you advise going that route lol
post #20 of 21
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Originally Posted by marcus71 View Post

My vx-10 is from the first year of production. How different is the vx-11 sonicly (sp)? I can probably squeeze in a second sub on the other side of the room.

The VX-11 utilizes the same driver as the VX-10, the amplifier was changed to a more energy efficient class D design. It should be acoustically similar.
post #21 of 21
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@ rob. Is it normal to have the gain that low with audyssey at about 8 ft from the listening position? Just curious, it sounds pretty good now. I think my problem is it was way too loud before. I had it at about 12:00 on the gain and audyssey was -12. Didn't realize it until I read some audyssey threads.
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