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post #211 of 1851
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I was not originally going to watch this but liked the pilot.
To me, this is more like The Event/Jericho than Lost/ Flash Forward
My expectations are low but we will see how this holds up.
Jericho ruled.
post #212 of 1851
Jericho was a very good show. Too bad it was on CBS.
post #213 of 1851
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Originally Posted by HDOrlando View Post

Jericho was a very good show. Too bad it was on CBS.

+1
post #214 of 1851
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Originally Posted by ltownsend View Post

+1

You know there is actually a +1 button now ...
post #215 of 1851
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

You know there is actually a +1 button now ...

Mine's not working. Probably an aftereffect of the blackout.
post #216 of 1851
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+1.One of the best books I've ever read! And I do read a lot .

Loved Lucifer's Hammer. I've bought that book at least 3 times. It made me a fan of, and caused me to read everything written by, the team and both Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle.

I've wanted to see it as a movie since '77, but I don't know who could do it right.
post #217 of 1851
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I agree with you- but there's just too many of us on the planet to do that.
Now if you kill off 80-90% of the population it would probably be possible- like in the early days (pre 1800's) of the USA..

That's true - it would get ugly for awhile while starvation thinned the herd. The countries with the most arable land and potable water would end up the richest in such a world.
post #218 of 1851
So the show had to go to bow and arrow, sword and board medieval world, I guess on the 1800's with steam trains, guns and stuff life wasn't possible..

In 15 years there should be steam trains and cars all over the place, I guess the anarchy was too much to get to that point..
post #219 of 1851
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Originally Posted by DrLar View Post

..... I guess the anarchy was too much to get to that point..
Or the budget
post #220 of 1851
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

Actually, if people went back to a healthy, sustainable, agricultural based diet with a heavy reliance on manual labor they would no longer need a lot of those medications. Funny how that works.

That would only fix a VERY small portion of the peopke that need medicine. There are sooo many others that this would not do anything for. The biggest is diabetes, all the people that are CURRENTLY on the medicine, changing your diet like you said would do nothing. It would help others not get it (i.e. weight loss, etc.) but once you are there, no change is going to fix it. So many people are on this medication alone that millions would die across the world in a few months.
post #221 of 1851
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Originally Posted by WilliamR View Post

That would only fix a VERY small portion of thepeoplee that need medicine. There are sooo many others that this would not do anything for. The biggest is diabetes, all the people that are CURRENTLY on the medicine, changing your diet like you said would do nothing. It would help others not get it (i.e. weight loss, etc.) but once you are there, no change is going to fix it. So many people are on this medication alone that millions would die across the world in a few months.

Ummmm, you're wrong. But you have a perfect right to be! This is America!

The biggest cause of early onset diabetes in our society is the huge emphasis on simple carbohydrates (basically sugar in any form and processed white foods like white bread, flour, etc.) in the modern American diet. The body converts them to glucose which then spikes insulin levels (what's not burned is then turned to fat in the liver). After many years of this abuse, the pancreas and liver become so damaged they can no longer cope and external insulin is required to properly regulate the body's blood sugar levels. Presto - type 2 diabetes. There's a wealth of information about this online, there have been '60 Minutes' segments on it, books have been published on this subject, and at this point it's established science. In other words, what we now know is it's not the cheeseburger that's the real problem, it's the fluffy white bun it comes on. My new rules are pretty simple: don't eat anything that's white.

Like many middle aged Americans, my blood sugar levels had been creeping up for years and it had started to become a concern for my internist. Just for fun, before my spring checkup, I decided to eliminate all simple carbs, including all sugar and alcohol, from my diet. Ten days later I had my checkup and bloodwork done, as I've done twice a year for the last 20 years. When the results came back 4 days later, I immediately looked at my glucose levels - a 40 point drop! Then I flipped the page to check on my cholesterol level and here's where it gets interesting..... an equivalent 40 point drop! All in just 10 days. That's all it takes to get your blood sugar and lipid levels back on track. Oh, and I lost 8 pounds as well.

Bottom line - our modern American diet is killing us. Then Big Pharma manufactures drugs to counter those ill effects and charges us a pretty penny for it. Believe what you want, but doctors know better. My advice, and you're free to ignore it: listen to them.
Edited by archiguy - 9/7/12 at 6:00am
post #222 of 1851
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

Ummmm, you're wrong. But you have a perfect right to be! This is America!
The biggest cause of early onset diabetes in our society is the huge emphasis on simple carbohydrates (basically sugar in any form and processed white foods like white bread, flour, etc.) in the modern American diet. The body converts them to glucose which then spikes insulin levels (what's not burned is then turned to fat in the liver). After many years of this abuse, the pancreas and liver become so damaged they can no longer cope and external insulin is required to properly regulate the body's blood sugar levels. Presto - type 2 diabetes. There's a wealth of information about this online, there have been '60 Minutes' segments on it, books have been published on this subject, and at this point it's established science. In other words, what we now know is it's not the cheeseburger that's the real problem, it's the fluffy white bun it comes on. My new rules are pretty simple: don't eat anything that's white.
Like many middle aged Americans, my blood sugar levels had been creeping up for years and it had started to become a concern for my internist. Just for fun, before my spring checkup, I decided to eliminate all simple carbs, including all sugar and alcohol, from my diet. Ten days later I had my checkup and bloodwork done, as I've done twice a year for the last 20 years. When the results came back 4 days later, I immediately looked at my glucose levels - a 40 point drop! Then I flipped the page to check on my cholesterol level and here's where it gets interesting. An equivalent 40 point drop! All in just 10 days. That's all it takes to get your health indicators back on track. Oh, and I lost 8 pounds as well.
Bottom line - our modern American diet is killing us. Then Big Pharma manufactures drugs to counter those ill effects and charges us a pretty penny for it. Believe what you want, but doctors know better. My advice, and you're free to ignore it: listen to them.

My wife has epilepsy. Are you implying that "hard work and home grown food" will cure it? I'm sorry but it's been around forever. Julius Ceaser was reported to have had it. She has a really bad case of it, even with medication she has seizures. Without medication she has seizures 24/7. You have no clue what you're talking about with your previous assertion that "a lot of those medications would not be needed".

Also, lets keep in mind that the world has a LOT of people in it. Without modern agriculture, we wouldn't be healthier and better off, we'd have BILLIONS of starving people. The world is not capable of producing enough local and organic food to be sustainable with the current population. I've found that many people that make claims about our country (and world's) food supply actually don't know what they're talking about. If you go to a farmer's market or local whole foods, you'll see a bunch of stuck up yuppies saying things like "I would never let my son/daughter eat ANYTHING but organic, how can people do that?" then they go buy their $12 jar of mayonnaise and $7.50 ketchup, etc. There's a reason these foods cost so much, and it's not because they're not grown in large quantity because they are now. It's because they can't grow as much per acre of land and because what they grow is harder to keep healthy. We would have billions of starving people.

Now that I discussed the derailed thread topic, back to the show. It looks like the country fell apart. I'm sorry but the military has BILLIONS of bullets. We had a country LONG before we had electricity and other parts of the world had nations much longer than that. Why would the failure of the laws of physics in regard to electricity (regardless of how dumb the idea is) result in the total collapse of the country? We have military bases everywhere. Sure there would be the need to declare martial law, but so what??? Also, I have to ask, why can't we communicate through over the air transmissions? Are no future electronics functioning? What about buried cables? We had telegraphs during the civil war. Speaking of the civil war, we had gatling guns back then and cannons, I'm sure the government is more than capable of recommissioning those and the ones that were melted/destroyed would simply be rebuild which was obviously done without electricity. As others have said, steam power would come back. What about nuclear powered subs under the oceans? Does this field permeate the entire planets? Chemical rockets would still work but would have to be guided with simpler mechanical devices, meaning that they couldn't control them from the ground or with on board electronics. That's fine, they could still manage. Aircraft could revert to the 1940's tech with rotters run on petroleum products instead of jets. Why are all oil based machines completely useless? In the situation described, both political parties in the US would be all for the government printing trillions of dollars to get technology up and running. Even the tea party republicans in Texas aren't going to care if we borrow money to figure out how to cool their houses when it's 98 degrees for 4 months straight....
post #223 of 1851
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Originally Posted by DrLar View Post

So the show had to go to bow and arrow, sword and board medieval world, I guess on the 1800's with steam trains, guns and stuff life wasn't possible..
In 15 years there should be steam trains and cars all over the place, I guess the anarchy was too much to get to that point..

It would take a while to get back to trains and ammo would be used up pretty quick. In a collapse of that level most resources are going to be put into food. They've referenced One Second After a couple times now and it's a pretty good look into that first couple of years.
post #224 of 1851
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Originally Posted by darthrsg View Post

It would take a while to get back to trains and ammo would be used up pretty quick. In a collapse of that level most resources are going to be put into food. They've referenced One Second After a couple times now and it's a pretty good look into that first couple of years.

Clearly you underestimate the number of bullets the military has stockpiled.

I forgot to mention in my previous post, the entire industrial revolution happened without electricity. There were thousands of people in buildings with foot powered sewing machines on assembly lines. We had printing presses for a very very long time. One of my big problems with the premise is that the country falls apart. Sure there would be problems but are people really going to start a bunch of civil wars? People are going to be too busy looking for their next meal to thinking of rebelling against the government.

Speaking of looking for your next meal, the main character looks like Katniss Everdeen from The Hunger Games. They dressed her almost identically. It seems kind of insulting that they think we can't see what they're doing. It's like, "Oh The Hunger Games is popular, lets make her look like that and maybe the people that watched that will watch our show!".
post #225 of 1851
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Originally Posted by blaster man View Post

My wife has epilepsy. Are you implying that "hard work and home grown food" will cure it? I'm sorry but it's been around forever. Julius Ceaser was reported to have had it. She has a really bad case of it, even with medication she has seizures. Without medication she has seizures 24/7. You have no clue what you're talking about with your previous assertion that "a lot of those medications would not be needed".

I'm sorry; I don't believe I mentioned epilepsy. Didn't mention Alzheimers or brain cancer either. rolleyes.gif

Of course there would still be chronic diseases that would claim a portion of the remaining population. That's not what I said. What I said was a very large percentage of our health problems are a direct result of our modern American diet, including nearly all the cases of type-2 diabetes, heart disease, and the epidemic of obesity that's affecting our children at earlier and earlier ages. And there are a host of others referenced in the medical literature as well. So actually, I do have a clue, but you can believe anything you want. Good luck with that.
post #226 of 1851
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

I'm sorry; I don't believe I mentioned epilepsy. Didn't mention Alzheimers or brain cancer either. rolleyes.gif
Of course there would still be chronic diseases that would claim a portion of the remaining population. That's not what I said. What I said was a very large percentage of our health problems are a direct result of our modern American diet, including nearly all the cases of type-2 diabetes, heart disease, and the epidemic of obesity that's affecting our children at earlier and earlier ages. And there are a host of others referenced in the medical literature as well. So actually, I do have a clue, but you can believe anything you want. Good luck with that.

I agree that diabetes is much the result of poor eating habits but with the improvement in the health of those people come the plagues of the past which cannot be cured or prevented without the mass production facilities we have....hello black plague, tuberculosis epidemics, etc. Unless of course you have a way to mass produce antibiotics and a way to distribute them to hundreds of millions of people. Not to mention many vaccines need to be refrigerated. Polio and a host of other terrible diseases would be back with a vengeance. Health wasn't exactly the best before modern medicine. So continue to believe you have a clue in regard to health and well-being. Good luck with that. wink.gif
Edited by blaster man - 9/7/12 at 6:41am
post #227 of 1851
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I agree that diabetes is much the result of poor eating habits but with the improvement in the health of those people come the plagues of the past which cannot be cured or prevented without the mass production facilities we have....hello black plague.

Oh, no doubt. It would get ugly. But that's not the point I was making. That point being: our modern American diet is making us sick, and Big Pharma makes the products that attempt to counteract those ill effects - and makes enormous profits doing so. It's kind of a perverse system if you think about it. But you fight the war with the system you got...

If everyone was forced to go back to a low gylcemic, plant-based diet they'd all likely be healthier overall in spite of all the medicines that would be lost. Of course, there would be a lot of pain and starvation before the population stabilized at a sustainable level. I realize not everyone would agree with that premise, but it's an interesting scenario to contemplate. Maybe this show will take a look at those questions, but action/adventure will surely take center stage. And that's fine. Producers, actors, and studio heads gotta' eat. wink.gif
post #228 of 1851
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

Oh, no doubt. It would get ugly. But that's not the point I was making. That point being: our modern American diet is making us sick, and Big Pharma makes the products that attempt to counteract those ill effects - and makes enormous profits doing so. It's kind of a perverse system if you think about it. But you fight the war with the system you got...
If everyone was forced to go back to a low gylcemic, plant-based diet, they'd all likely be healthier overall in spite of all the medicines that would be lost. Of course, there would be a lot of pain and starvation before the population stabilized at a sustainable level. I realize not everyone would agree with that premise, but it's an interesting scenario to contemplate. Maybe this show will take a look at those questions, but action/adventure will surely take center stage. And that's fine. Producers, actors, and studio heads gotta' eat. wink.gif

Okay first of all, you're asserting that people were on a plant-based diet. People are omnivores and have always been so. Even our teeth are evolved for meat eating. Our eyes are at the front of our skulls instead of the sides so that we can see game rather than detect predators.

I think you're making too big of a deal about diabetes. Yes it's bad and yes it's an epidemic but people do what they want. Big pharma isn't as evil as you seem to believe. People can eat healthier and exercise more if they want. If they don't want to then they can take medicine. Why is it wrong for them to make big profits and why is it perverse to help people? The government doesn't mandate our exercise and diets. They constantly put out commercials on the TV for diet and exercise but it's not in the government's scope to buy everyone a treadmill and ensure they use it or put cameras on your dinner table to make sure you're not over-eating. If people want to overeat that's on them and if they get diabetes and need medication, why is it perverse for big pharma to make a profit helping them? I don't understand the logic.

edit: forgot to mention, IMO this wouldn't result in a sustainable agriculture movement. Most likely the government would survive, it would pump money into learning how to mass produce even MORE and how to distribute it. The voters in this country couldn't stand to be hungry. This would actually result in a more polluted environment with fertilizers being produced in the most inefficient and dirty way possible. Coal burning tractors would be built...
post #229 of 1851
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

Oh, no doubt. It would get ugly. But that's not the point I was making. That point being: our modern American diet is making us sick, and Big Pharma makes the products that attempt to counteract those ill effects - and makes enormous profits doing so. It's kind of a perverse system if you think about it. But you fight the war with the system you got...
If everyone was forced to go back to a low gylcemic, plant-based diet they'd all likely be healthier overall in spite of all the medicines that would be lost. Of course, there would be a lot of pain and starvation before the population stabilized at a sustainable level. I realize not everyone would agree with that premise, but it's an interesting scenario to contemplate. Maybe this show will take a look at those questions, but action/adventure will surely take center stage. And that's fine. Producers, actors, and studio heads gotta' eat. wink.gif

Spot on ..

As well, regressing to a more feudal society will bring out the traits of the past .. power is physical strength .. what Government there is will be based on intimidation and physical power .. etc ..

And who really cares if the main character looks like Katniss Everdeen from The Hunger Games .. ?? Everything has been done before anyway ..

I'm hoping for a good ride on this one ..
post #230 of 1851
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

Spot on ..
As well, regressing to a more feudal society will bring out the traits of the past .. power is physical strength .. what Government there is will be based on intimidation and physical power .. etc ..

We had a country with elected officials prior to electricity and if electrical equipment failed, the government would stay in tact. Yes there would fights breaking out but most people in the country wouldn't want to form their own nation within the US, we still think of ourselves as Americans. It's not like in Iraq where a Kurdistan would form. This takes place 15 years in the future, plenty of time for the government and military to have converted to steam. Hell, they would buy or take the current steam engines and build more. Believe it or not, we do have some functional steam engines used as novelties. They would be taken by the government and put into military use to rush troops to areas with problems.

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Edited by blaster man - 9/7/12 at 7:14am
post #231 of 1851
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Okay first of all, you're asserting that people were on a plant-based diet. People are omnivores and have always been so. Even our teeth are evolved for meat eating. Our eyes are at the front of our skulls instead of the sides so that we can see game rather than detect predators.

Again, you're misinterpreting what I said. You're right about the whole omnivore thing - we are evolved and equipped to eat both plants and animals. We actually do pretty well with meat; we handle it relatively efficiently. We've evolved that way. What we're not evolved to deal with is sugar and it's chemical cousin - simple, refined carbohydrates. Our early ancestors virtually never ate sugar except in the autumn when fruit would ripen and fall from the trees. They'd gorge on it and their bodies learned to turn it to fat which helped them get through the approaching winter when food was scarce. The rest of the year they never saw the stuff. Interestingly, they also learned to like it because nothing in nature that's sweet is dangerous to eat. Sugar is "safe" from that standpoint.

The problem is now we eat it all the time and in prodigious quantities and our bodies aren't designed to deal with it all. So we get fat and we get sick. Hey, I didn't make the rules. Evolution did.
post #232 of 1851
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Originally Posted by blaster man View Post

Clearly you underestimate the number of bullets the military has stockpiled.
I forgot to mention in my previous post, the entire industrial revolution happened without electricity. There were thousands of people in buildings with foot powered sewing machines on assembly lines. We had printing presses for a very very long time. One of my big problems with the premise is that the country falls apart. Sure there would be problems but are people really going to start a bunch of civil wars? People are going to be too busy looking for their next meal to thinking of rebelling against the government.
Speaking of looking for your next meal, the main character looks like Katniss Everdeen from The Hunger Games. They dressed her almost identically. It seems kind of insulting that they think we can't see what they're doing. It's like, "Oh The Hunger Games is popular, lets make her look like that and maybe the people that watched that will watch our show!".

That same drive for food will extend to those who run the army too. Only in isolated pockets will that remain and vast swaths of countryside will be un patrolled. I love that you think there won't be conflict but history proves otherwise. Society is like those fire fuel triangles, remove a side and poof. Those first couple of years are going to be rough to say the least. Another show that points to that is Jeremiah. All the military went underground and came back to exact order and were met with resistance by the "new" way of doing things. Yes they had bombs but they were outnumbered and soon the weapons they had were turned against them. You can bet your butt many troops will leave the service and take some toys with them to go home to their families.

I'm not saying things won't get better after something like that happens but things will look very different see the Postman. Organized, productive, and totalitarian. I'm sure that works well if you are hungry but you're bound to pick a fight sooner or later.

Bottom line, if you take electricity away right now from everyone, you got about 2 weeks before all hell breaks loose in a lot of places.
post #233 of 1851
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Originally Posted by darthrsg View Post


Bottom line, if you take electricity away right now from everyone, you got about 2 weeks before all hell breaks loose in a lot of places.

Oh, it wouldn't take nearly that long. Ever seen what happens - and how quickly it starts happening - in a city-wide blackout? And they know the lights will soon be back on.
post #234 of 1851
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

Again, you're misinterpreting what I said. You're right about the whole omnivore thing - we are evolved and equipped to eat both plants and animals. We actually do pretty well with meat; we handle it relatively efficiently. We've evolved that way. What we're not evolved to deal with is sugar and it's chemical cousin - simple, refined carbohydrates. Our early ancestors virtually never ate sugar except in the autumn when fruit would ripen and fall from the trees. They'd gorge on it and their bodies learned to turn it to fat which helped them get through the approaching winter when food was scarce. The rest of the year they never saw the stuff. Interestingly, they also learned to like it because nothing in nature that's sweet is dangerous to eat. Sugar is "safe" from that standpoint.
The problem is now we eat it all the time and in prodigious quantities and our bodies aren't designed to deal with it all. So we get fat and we get sick. Hey, I didn't make the rules. Evolution did.

I have no problem with this statement. I was disagreeing with your previous statement where you claimed that we used to be on a "plant based diet". We ate lots of plants and lots of meat. People hunted a lot. I agree that people should eat in moderation. Many people chose not to do so. That's their lives if they want to live that way then fine. IMO a return to the world prior to electricity would not be good simply because it got people off of sugar sweetened drinks and such. As I mentioned before, I think it would actually result in a huge mess for the climate. And I use climate here to mean both large scale (world wide climate change) and locally with massive pollution. We'll return to the days of blackened skies from everyone burning coal in their homes.
post #235 of 1851
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That same drive for food will extend to those who run the army too. Only in isolated pockets will that remain and vast swaths of countryside will be un patrolled. I love that you think there won't be conflict but history proves otherwise. Society is like those fire fuel triangles, remove a side and poof. Those first couple of years are going to be rough to say the least. Another show that points to that is Jeremiah. All the military went underground and came back to exact order and were met with resistance by the "new" way of doing things. Yes they had bombs but they were outnumbered and soon the weapons they had were turned against them. You can bet your butt many troops will leave the service and take some toys with them to go home to their families.
I'm not saying things won't get better after something like that happens but things will look very different see the Postman. Organized, productive, and totalitarian. I'm sure that works well if you are hungry but you're bound to pick a fight sooner or later.
Bottom line, if you take electricity away right now from everyone, you got about 2 weeks before all hell breaks loose in a lot of places.

I think there would be conflict but I think the military and government would stamp it out. Read my subsequent post regarding steam. We have railways already built. They're there. We CURRENTLY have steam powered trains. They would build more. I don't know how long it would take to eliminate the conflicts but it would happen. Do you really want to live in the dictatorship of Jimbo or would you just support the military when they showed up with their train loads of guys with machine guns and stockpiled bullets. B52's dropping bombs and fighters planes from the 30 and 40's recommissioned...
post #236 of 1851
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Originally Posted by blaster man View Post

I have no problem with this statement. I was disagreeing with your previous statement where you claimed that we used to be on a "plant based diet". We ate lots of plants and lots of meat. People hunted a lot. I agree that people should eat in moderation. Many people chose not to do so. That's their lives if they want to live that way then fine. IMO a return to the world prior to electricity would not be good simply because it got people off of sugar sweetened drinks and such. As I mentioned before, I think it would actually result in a huge mess for the climate. And I use climate here to mean both large scale (world wide climate change) and locally with massive pollution. We'll return to the days of blackened skies from everyone burning coal in their homes.

Sorry, back in those days, we did not eat lots of meat .. meat was a treat .. a relative rarity ..

As well, the massive drop in population would likely cause cleaner skies, even with the burning .. and blackened skies, again, back in the day, were limited to large population centers such as London, Paris .. etc ..
post #237 of 1851
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Originally Posted by blaster man View Post

I think there would be conflict but I think the military and government would stamp it out. Read my subsequent post regarding steam. We have railways already built. They're there. We CURRENTLY have steam powered trains. They would build more. I don't know how long it would take to eliminate the conflicts but it would happen. Do you really want to live in the dictatorship of Jimbo or would you just support the military when they showed up with their train loads of guys with machine guns and stockpiled bullets. B52's dropping bombs and fighters planes from the 30 and 40's recommissioned...

Not enough military to stamp it out. Period. Yes it would be effective in certain places but not everywhere. You forget Sgt Large Gun has a wife and baby that might be in Jimbo's district.
post #238 of 1851
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

Sorry, back in those days, we did not eat lots of meat .. meat was a treat .. a relative rarity ..
As well, the massive drop in population would likely cause cleaner skies, even with the burning .. and blackened skies, again, back in the day, were limited to large population centers such as London, Paris .. etc ..
I don't think we're going to agree on this. I don't think there would be a massive drop in population. I think we'd go to a coal economy instead of oil. We would have steam driven tractors working on fields fertilized with fertilizer made extremely inefficiently. The population would fall but not a massive drop. I think you underestimate the nation's ability to come together during times of crises.
post #239 of 1851
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Originally Posted by darthrsg View Post

Not enough military to stamp it out. Period. Yes it would be effective in certain places but not everywhere. You forget Sgt Large Gun has a wife and baby that might be in Jimbo's district.

We have a fairly large military and there would be a draft. The US fought a massive civil war with the confederate's. In the situation we're describing, there's a really well equipped military that's drafting people and they're fighting against small city-state dicatorship's that have no union, confederacy, etc. They're stand alone areas of lawlessness headed by dictators. These would have largely untrained militia's run by strong men. The US military would still have highly skilled soldiers and generals trained in battle tactics. It would be a bloodbath.
post #240 of 1851
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Originally Posted by blaster man View Post

I don't think we're going to agree on this. I don't think there would be a massive drop in population. I think we'd go to a coal economy instead of oil. We would have steam driven tractors working on fields fertilized with fertilizer made extremely inefficiently. The population would fall but not a massive drop. I think you underestimate the nation's ability to come together during times of crises.

There is really nothing to agree on .. you are overestimating our ability to come together .. when starvation sets in, it's every man for themselves .. and transitioning from modern tech to pre-electric methods takes time, lots of time .. crops don't grow over night .. transportation from crop areas .. the logistical list alone .. by the time even a shred of a new infrastucture was in place, the population will have dropped easily by at least 75% and likely more ..

The complexity of our modern food chain is a marvel .. but very, very fragile ..
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