Originally Posted by mgkdragn
I could not agree less .. you are forgetting the simple fact that the theory is we've reverted to pre-electric times .. that's the whole premise of the discussion .. although I won't dispute efforts by isolated bands of folks, my whole point is the time it takes to pull anything together on any scale at all .. given the long list of obstacles which would take a book to list .. and how often do you actually lose power for weeks on end .. ?? Have you ever lost power permanently .. ?? And, if you do lose power for weeks on end, I'm sure many have prepared then for that .. not so in most other areas ..
Regardless of your obvious faith in your fellow man, which I applaud, there is a faction of the population at large that will be happy to resort to whatever it takes .. no matter what region of the country you live in .. food and drinkable water will be the primary motivation ..
In the first few years of any event of this type, things will get bad .. then, they will get worse .. then, those that survive will adapt and things will begin to improve .. those that make it that far will be the ones that relied on themselves .. and a song or two is not going to make a difference ..
I could not agree more with you not agreeing less(?!?).
IOW - I agree with this assessment.
Once starvation comes into play, all bets are off. You won't see the cities (even in the Northeast) "standing together" when people on the left and right of themselves start dropping from starvation - or when they realize that the military is not only charged with keeping supply lines open, but also to keep groups of citizens from leaving the city to forage on their own. They will quickly become viewed as an occupying force. You can't use 9/11 as the template for citizen response - and Katrina as the motivation for an improved government response. First, because it's not realistic on a national scale and second, because this hypothetical situation is much more similar to Katrina than it is to 9/11. Idaho may have sent volunteer first responders to NYC for 9/11, but they aren't going happily load their entire potato crop onto eastcoast-bound military convoys then wait for their fair rations to be returned. The first thing that will happen is the individual states will moderate their compliance with Federal mandates based on their individual needs. We'll see barter of resources almost immediately state to state and state to federal government.
As far as the national military, relying on them to maintain order in a situation like this show proposes is pure fantasy. On it's best day, with all equipment in full working order, they do not have the resources or manpower to keep order in the entire US (assuming widespread resistance). In fact, they would be hard pressed trying to secure all the locations required just to maintain their own food, ammo, fuel, and other supply lines required to keep them functioning - much less to proactively maintain order and redistribute food supplies. Our federal military consists of approx. 1.5 million active duty (1/2 of which are Air Force, Navy and Coast Guard), then you have about 500,000 National Guard troops that are under the control of the 50 state governors. Contrast that with 40% - 50% of all homes having enough guns to arm just about every citizen old enough to pull a trigger. Being extremely conservative, you can assume 200 million armed (current or newly armed by neighbors) citizens. Or focus only on the 4.5 million licensed deer hunters in just the top 5 deer hunting states (1.3 million in Pennsylvania alone). For comparison: We have approx. 100,000 active duty military, with uninterrupted supply lines, in Afghanistan - with a (somewhat) cooperative military of its own - to maintain order where there are only an estimated 1.3 million gun owners. Our military would be out-manned and out-gunned on US soil - and that's today without what is proposed in 'Revolution'.
When you look at what this show proposes, you'd see mass defections from the military, their technological advantage would be lost, and any attempt at a draft would be completely ignored. Even a .50 Cal machine gun being toted on a wagon behind a horse would be less effective than a single deer hunter hiding along the tree line. Any advantage they have in equipment is also assuming that none of the comparable equipment available in National Guard or local police storage makes its way into the hands of the local citizenry. They would be relegated to holding a small portion of the US for a select number of citizens and be no different than the many other pockets around the US where areas are held by their own military force. Federal currency would be worthless because there would be no way to back it, and they would lose the last remaining clout they had. Priority 1 will be to get food, water, fuel and ammo and then protect their supplies. Priority 2 would be to send representatives to VA and NC and open trade negotiations, because much like prison, cigarettes will become an extremely valuable currency.