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post #391 of 1328
The medallions that the magic USB flash drive fit into had a sort of alien look - like they would have been a prop on a Stargate series. So maybe this is alien tech that got misappropriated by a dastardly conspiricy of some sort. And, if alien, that neatly gets around all the "crazy physics" issues that seem to have some others' panties all wadded up. It's a McGuffin of course, but what would a genre show be without them? Just roll with it.

The black lady (Grace) at the end must have known the father (Danny), and maybe his brother Miles, and is somehow involved. For me, this conspiracy angle - the overall mythological arc - is all I'm really interested in. All the swordplay, romantic teen angst, stock characters, etc. that are designed to appeal to a mass audience are just the required flotsam floating around an interesting concept. I actually enjoyed the pilot for what it is and am in for the long haul.

Hopefully, considering the relatively big numbers it got, this show may be the one to actually stick around for awhile. Unfortunately, the cast (the great Giancarlo Esposito excepted) is not nearly as compelling as the characters from LOST to which all these high-concept shows are inevitably compared.
post #392 of 1328
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

The medallions that the magic USB flash drive fit into had a sort of alien look - like they would have been a prop on a Stargate series. So maybe this is alien tech that got misappropriated by a dastardly conspiricy of some sort. And, if alien, that neatly gets around all the "crazy physics" issues..
Wow- if they go the Alien route- I'm out too! We don't need another Falling Skies.
post #393 of 1328
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

The medallions that the magic USB flash drive fit into had a sort of alien look - like they would have been a prop on a Stargate series. So maybe this is alien tech that got misappropriated by a dastardly conspiricy of some sort. And, if alien, that neatly gets around all the "crazy physics" issues that seem to have some others' panties all wadded up. It's a McGuffin of course, but what would a genre show be without them? Just roll with it.
So all the cool aliens are using MicroSD cards now?

At least we know Sony isn't behind this...
post #394 of 1328
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Wow- if they go the Alien route- I'm out too! We don't need another Falling Skies.

If it's aliens behind the conspiracy, I doubt we'll see them - it doesn't look like it's that kind of show. Instead, we'll probably see the dastardly humans who appropriated their technology (crashed UFO?) for their insideous ends. Or something along those lines. Right now, it's hard to fathom what the conspiracy is or who's behind it. Speculation is part of the buzz-building fun in shows like these.
post #395 of 1328
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

I'm going to assume one of two things:
1) The writers are going to simply ignore the ramifications of such a thing. Even with what happened in Japan, there are still likely plenty of people that don't understand you can't just have the power shut off at a Nuclear power plant and not have really bad things happen.
2) They'll address it somehow to have people that are involved in this vast conspiracy of taking our power from us will have also been involved with either a) shutting down the plants safely or b) are running them within some sort of protective bubble since the power for the lady's computer at the end had to come from somewhere besides loading up on a lot of beans.
I've never hunted before, but if faced with starvation, I'd likely be out there biting me some lion flank and whatever else I could pounce on.

My 'educated' guess (as the father of a TV writer) is that you won't see many of these kinds of details addressed because for the writers the premise is just that, a premise; a set up for a character-driven adventure story. They won't get bogged down in technical ramifications because that won't be important to them. These are not engineers coming up with these scenarios, they are liberal arts majors.
post #396 of 1328
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- Not everyone has the skill to hunt wild animals. Look at the number of people that actually hunt compared to the ones who have never done so.
With 6 billion+ humans on this planet, it wouldn't take much skill to speak of.
DESPERATION would be the ticket, particularly with the billions upon billions of firearms out there.

Hell, I had 23 deer off my back deck this morning.
Of course, I have "trained" them with bribes of peanuts over the years...biggrin.gif

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I've never hunted before, but if faced with starvation, I'd likely be out there biting me some lion flank and whatever else I could pounce on.
Exactly.smile.gif

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Originally Posted by WilliamR View Post

Electricity doesn't work anymore, they could try all they wanted to rebuild it, but it will not work as electricity cannot be generated anymore (at least that is what I got from everything they said in 40 some odd minutes).
If that is the case, then we have Supernatural (God?) cause.wink.gif
post #397 of 1328
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There are ways (chemically) to produce ice or more precisely "freezing" temperatures (don't ask me how ... not a chemist ) without the need for electricity. It's considered "impractical" in the modern age.

Then again, I might have seen it in a movie somewhere ...

There was a scene in the first season of Jericho where they did this. Basically using some kind of salt of fertilizer in a bowl, then putting a metal bowl of water inside that, and the water would turn to ice.
post #398 of 1328
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

With 6 billion+ humans on this planet, it wouldn't take much skill to speak of.
DESPERATION would be the ticket, particularly with the billions upon billions of firearms out there.
Hell, I had 23 deer off my back deck this morning

Even barring that, there's plenty of stuff people would be willing to eat if they become desperate enough: Pigeons, rats, frogs, snails....you know, French food. Man's best friend would be likely to become man's next meal.

What really surprises me is the complete lack of bicycles. You'd think they'd be everywhere. Lots of people already have them and places like Target, Kmart and Walmart seem well stocked with them, so there ought to be a lot out there. Unlike with cars, a well maintained bike will last indefinately and tires go far longer with them especially the ones with road treads.
post #399 of 1328
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Originally Posted by jandron View Post

My 'educated' guess (as the father of a TV writer) is that you won't see many of these kinds of details addressed because for the writers the premise is just that, a premise; a set up for a character-driven adventure story. They won't get bogged down in technical ramifications because that won't be important to them. These are not engineers coming up with these scenarios, they are liberal arts majors.

Exactly, and very well stated. Some just refuse to get it though, and keep trying to change the show into something its not. All I'm interested in is good storytelling and characters I can care what happens to. The pilot didn't fully succeed at that but came close enough that I'll give it a few more chances.
post #400 of 1328
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Originally Posted by jandron View Post

My 'educated' guess (as the father of a TV writer) is that you won't see many of these kinds of details addressed because for the writers the premise is just that, a premise; a set up for a character-driven adventure story. They won't get bogged down in technical ramifications because that won't be important to them. These are not engineers coming up with these scenarios, they are liberal arts majors.

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Originally Posted by lonwolf615 View Post

Exactly, and very well stated. Some just refuse to get it though, and keep trying to change the show into something its not. All I'm interested in is good storytelling and characters I can care what happens to. The pilot didn't fully succeed at that but came close enough that I'll give it a few more chances.
The problem is, the characters kind of suck.

They aren't well written, they do silly things and even the action was kind of lame.

The fact is, they could just simply blow off the tech aspect at the 15 years later mark and not bother with the stuff implied in the last scene if they really wanted to focus on the "human drama". Instead, we have yet another attempt at drama that gets overshadowed by an overreaching premise.

My take on this concept though is that we have tons of "human dramas" out there that don't have a scifi base to them (and having a world without electricity except when you have a mysterious little device that can make it come back is a scifi premise). Why does this one have to be yet another? At least they opted out of having a little kid to muck up the works like the did with Terra Nova. The rest of the characters, though, seem to be taken out of the same handbook for apocalyptic family dramas. They even seem to have a protective fence around their community that people can get into and out of with little trouble.

Even if that's how it's going to be, it would be nice to see them "coping with the loss of technology" by attempting to rebuild what they had before through alternate means. It's a natural human tendancy to want to make life easier for ourselves and we come up with devices to do that for us. Instead, we seem to have a group of people that opted to never progress beyond medieval times.
Edited by NetworkTV - 9/20/12 at 9:54am
post #401 of 1328
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Originally Posted by jandron View Post


My 'educated' guess (as the father of a TV writer) is that you won't see many of these kinds of details addressed because for the writers the premise is just that, a premise; a set up for a character-driven adventure story. They won't get bogged down in technical ramifications because that won't be important to them. These are not engineers coming up with these scenarios, they are liberal arts majors.


I could agree with this if they didn't emphasize the technical aspect so heavily, including the fade out scene of the small device suddenly powering up a computer (and apparently a network somehow).  Not getting bogged down in the details is one thing, but doing at least some basic research to backup so many tech references would seem to be in order.  It's a little difficult to accept that they started a very intricate, science based show (and promo'd that way) only to abandon the science completely as merely a 'jump off point' to begin an adventure.  Nothing I saw made me think that was their goal, especially the 'adventure' itself.

post #402 of 1328
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

In fact, you can use steam power to make ice. It sounds counterintuitive, but heat can make things very cold.

... I was going to say that too ... seems like the first thing to do (after the inevitable looting, panic and complete collapse of civil order) would be to return to the steam-age ... unless we are completely without any coal or wood. ... You could probably even run a modified refrigerator compressor off of steam, granted you my have to do it large scale (shared community storage.)
post #403 of 1328
My first thought was after watching was Terra Nova meets Falling Skies. eek.gif

Since it wasn't an EMP weapon and Danny downloaded something important about the phenomenon and the scene at the end showing electrons still flow, it must have been a temporary happening.

Will watch a few more to see who Grace was "texting".
post #404 of 1328
My guess would be it is some sort of transmission freqeuncy that interrupts electrical current flow. The amulet generates a sort of wifi cloud that clears the frequency in that area and allows for electricity to exist in the cone of silence as it were. How it explains an internet connection, where central office telephone equipment has failed is beyond me though. As I also imagine that any of the satellites have dropped from the sky as well or ceased working, unless the freqeuncy block only pertains to the local atmosphere..., I am sure all routers have failed in the central offices and wifi repeaters etc and microwave signals etc.. would also have to fail without electricty unless the amulets range is such that it can clear those massive hurdles as well. I also think massive nuclear fallout from proper electricty to allow for cooling of the existing plant cores and previous stored plutonium waste that also requires colling that it would be incredibly devastating to all human, animal and plant life that it should be borderline zombie land.

That being said, its a fun goofy show, that has a mix of good acting and bad acting, some good fight scenes and bad fight scenes and some good imagery and bad imagery.

I'll keep watching for now, but this is not going to be an instant classic by any stretch.
post #405 of 1328
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

The black lady (Grace) at the end must have known the father (Danny), and maybe his brother Miles, and is somehow involved. For me, this conspiracy angle - the overall mythological arc - is all I'm really interested in. All the swordplay, romantic teen angst, stock characters, etc. that are designed to appeal to a mass audience are just the required flotsam floating around an interesting concept. I actually enjoyed the pilot for what it is and am in for the long haul.
If, and that's a big if, the show continues to explore these avenues for their story lines you've outlined above then I'll continue to watch it, but if it devolves into a Terra Nova-style "low on making sense and high on silliness" then I'm gone.

Maybe I'm just getting too old, but I'm tired of the teen angst angles being inserted into the prime time drama space now, isn't that what the CW network is for anyway?
Edited by keenan - 9/21/12 at 9:22am
post #406 of 1328
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

Even barring that, there's plenty of stuff people would be willing to eat if they become desperate enough: Pigeons, rats, frogs, snails....you know, French food. Man's best friend would be likely to become man's next meal.
Dogs would still hold on....there is "guard duty" to consider.

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What really surprises me is the complete lack of bicycles. You'd think they'd be everywhere. Lots of people already have them and places like Target, Kmart and Walmart seem well stocked with them, so there ought to be a lot out there. Unlike with cars, a well maintained bike will last indefinately and tires go far longer with them especially the ones with road treads.
Good observation!

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Originally Posted by 73shark View Post

My first thought was after watching was Terra Nova meets Falling Skies. eek.gif
LOL, my thought too.

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I also think massive nuclear fallout from proper electricty to allow for cooling of the existing plant cores and previous stored plutonium waste that also requires colling that it would be incredibly devastating to all human, animal and plant life that it should be borderline zombie land.
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Another good observation!tongue.gif
post #407 of 1328
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Originally Posted by mphtrilogy View Post

My guess would be it is some sort of transmission freqeuncy that interrupts electrical current flow.

And what's powering that transmission in the first place? smile.gif
post #408 of 1328
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Originally Posted by Berk32 View Post

And what's powering that transmission in the first place? smile.gif

A flux capacitor.
post #409 of 1328
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Originally Posted by CPanther95 View Post

A flux capacitor.
Well, that's obvious! tongue.gif

It was underneath the desk where the computer was.

post #410 of 1328
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Originally Posted by CPanther95 View Post

A flux capacitor.
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Well, that's obvious! tongue.gif
It was underneath the desk where the computer was.
Seriously funny.biggrin.gif
post #411 of 1328
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Originally Posted by mphtrilogy View Post

My guess would be it is some sort of transmission freqeuncy that interrupts electrical current flow. The amulet generates a sort of wifi cloud that clears the frequency in that area and allows for electricity to exist in the cone of silence as it were. How it explains an internet connection, where central office telephone equipment has failed is beyond me though. As I also imagine that any of the satellites have dropped from the sky as well or ceased working, unless the freqeuncy block only pertains to the local atmosphere..., I am sure all routers have failed in the central offices and wifi repeaters etc and microwave signals etc.. would also have to fail without electricty unless the amulets range is such that it can clear those massive hurdles as well.
Even if you disregard the ability to send a message over a computer network without the use of routers, signal amps and other devices that do need power to relay the message, I have to wonder where the power is coming from that she used in the room. There didn't seem to be any power generating means anywhere on site and I would think someone in the band of bad guys would have noticed solar cells or a windmill - after all, he's the self-claimed great observer we know as the insurance salesman.
post #412 of 1328
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

he's the self-claimed great observer we know as the insurance salesman.

insurance adjuster - different animal.

BTW, anyone betting that the mom is still alive?
post #413 of 1328
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Originally Posted by Kevin_Wadsworth View Post

BTW, anyone betting that the mom is still alive?

Now that you mentioned it, the fact that they decided to recast the mother from the preview (Andrea Roth) and the final product (Elizabeth Mitchell), it seems strange to do so if they were just gonna kill her off. They could have brought in any no name and payed them far less if it was just going to be for that 5 minutes. That is unless this show is going to keep using flashbacks.
post #414 of 1328
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Originally Posted by Tom Imp View Post

That is unless this show is going to keep using flashbacks.

I think that's the plan. Mitchell's too "big" an actress to waste on a 5 minute scene in the pilot. If that was going to be the case, they just would have kept Roth.
post #415 of 1328
I expect to see a lot of flashbacks.
post #416 of 1328
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Originally Posted by mphtrilogy View Post

My guess would be it is some sort of transmission frequency that interrupts electrical current flow.
You're thinking waaaaay too hard...
It's those darn Ghost Busters! They were warned to NOT CROSS THE STREAMS from the Proton Packs!
post #417 of 1328
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

The problem is, the characters kind of suck.
They aren't well written, they do silly things and even the action was kind of lame.
The fact is, they could just simply blow off the tech aspect at the 15 years later mark and not bother with the stuff implied in the last scene if they really wanted to focus on the "human drama". Instead, we have yet another attempt at drama that gets overshadowed by an overreaching premise.
My take on this concept though is that we have tons of "human dramas" out there that don't have a scifi base to them (and having a world without electricity except when you have a mysterious little device that can make it come back is a scifi premise). Why does this one have to be yet another? At least they opted out of having a little kid to muck up the works like the did with Terra Nova. The rest of the characters, though, seem to be taken out of the same handbook for apocalyptic family dramas. They even seem to have a protective fence around their community that people can get into and out of with little trouble.
Even if that's how it's going to be, it would be nice to see them "coping with the loss of technology" by attempting to rebuild what they had before through alternate means. It's a natural human tendancy to want to make life easier for ourselves and we come up with devices to do that for us. Instead, we seem to have a group of people that opted to never progress beyond medieval times.

Well, can't argue with any of that...very good post. Great post, in fact.
post #418 of 1328
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Originally Posted by Kevin_Wadsworth View Post

insurance adjuster - different animal.
BTW, anyone betting that the mom is still alive?
Of course she's alive.

That would be the "big twist" at some point.

Scene 26A: Daytime.

Our fearless characters are pinned down in a grimy alley by several dudes up to no good. Just when all seems lost, a shadowy figure leaps from out of nowhere, helping to defeat them with several flashes of a well-honed blade borrowed from the set of "Xena: Warrior Princess".

Charlie, who finds herself injured on the ground with what is likely a non-lethal shoulder wound, sees the shadowy figure move toward her. She moves to grab her bow that she obtained in the Hunger Games, but it's out of reach. Suddenly, the figure steps into a well placed shaft of theater lighting and a look of recognition comes over her face.

"Mom?"

***black screen with the Revolution logo pops up***
post #419 of 1328
Folks, this is the "media" so often criticized and defended in politically obsessed circles. Obviously the problem was caused by the military, or big business trying to increase its profits, or a combination of both.

It is from the usual crew of unimaginative writers (seemingly endless, silly fight scene), and limited-talent actors, friends, and relatives (probably most of the cast). Like too many network sci-fi programs it seems to have been written by morons or for morons.

I will give it one more try, only because I can skip or fast forward at 3 and 9 times normal.

I watched Terra Nova for 65 minutes and was rooting for the dinos and the sixers half way through that. But then I watched all of V and was more sympathetic to the reptiles than the sorry bunch of humans.

Another season of Firefly or TSSC would have been far better than recent offerings. I am a big fan of real sci-fi as opposed to fantasy. It just seems to becoming extinct.
post #420 of 1328
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It just seems to becoming extinct.
Serious Sci-Fi is an endangered species....frown.gif
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