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post #631 of 1851
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Also hated the son not killing his captor when he had the chance. Really? They killed your father in front of you and you think these people are suddenly good people?
Of course the son could not kill the Captain. That would violate one of the central themes of the entire show. How the blackout affects, strengthens or alters the humanity of the survivors is, im my opinion the main theme of this show. The kids were raised by their father. He is the one that could not bring himself to kill the food theif in the flashback, although mom had no problem doing so. Dad taught his kids to retain their humanity. The captain lost his along the way, as did Monroe (although Monroe my not have had much even before the blackout). Miles lost his but regrets it. He is struggling as to whether he can or should return to the principals of his brother, or whether he is already damned. Miles' redemption is being played out in the first episodes of the show. Mom is tough as nails (although her calm in the face of torture was contrasted with her pain in leaving her children in the flashback). It looks like she was "in on the event" as much as her husband, but we don't know much about her conscience yet.
post #632 of 1851
I went back and watched parts of the episode again. The British woman did wind up in Buffalo to find a ship to take her to England. But when she was told there were no more ships, she said she wondered about and ended up in Wisconsin. That's a lot of wandering. And that's where she met the dad of the family. I thought they were from Indiana or somewhere like that.
post #633 of 1851
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Originally Posted by Argee View Post

they would be almost no transportation to move coal and oil or refinery/drilling or mining going on for a number of years. You act as if there is a big standby of horse and wagon and water mills and what have you. It would take a while retool to a non electric world, not something that just happens overnight.
Dude, they have a frigggin' TRAIN as shown in the previews. I would think it wouldn't be the only one - and their going to need oil for it since for the last several decades, any operating steam locomotives have been converted away from coal to oil. That's why there are no running Big Boy engines - they can't be converted to oil (due to their single burner systems), so even the ones in the best shape are unusable due to rotting away.

Further, they delivered coal and oil to millions of people in the 1800's (and before) with wagons. With all the people that supposedly died from this outage, there should be plenty of places to live in near mining towns and such where the houses have coal or oil heat or even wood stoves. Delivery by horse and wagon shouldn't be any harder now with the limit population.

With kerosene, you'd have even more options.

Propane and natural gas would likely be out, though.

You'd likely have to plumb your house for central water heating if it were forced heat, but what else are you going to do with your time once your job is gone?
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Its clear this show bothers you and why you continue to watch is baffling. You set and take notes and list 20 things wrong, gosh, watch something else and enjoy your life.
It's baffling to me you bothered to read it if it bothers you so much. Read someone else's posts and enjoy your life.

What I find baffling is how these people survived as long as they did without making any effort to restore civilization.
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Originally Posted by WilliamR View Post

A few things.
First, after the wars, millions where probably dead. Second, after the loss of power, no medicine, lack of food, survival, gangs, fights erupting over everything, etc. millions more would be dead. So the people that are left, I doubt their focus is building ships, but surviving.
Second, and more importantly, why would they WANT to build them. Is that what someone would really want to do, spend all that time, to build a ship to sail to what? Another chunk of land with another militia/military/no power/struggling civilization. Oh joy joy. There is no reason to sail somewhere else, the while world is impacted, the whole world is in the same situation. What are you sailing too? They use to have ships so they some communication with the outside world before the fighting broke out, obviously no one else is really best off. So if this were to really happen and the whole world was impacted, your first instinct is we have to build boats to sail to another country????
1) You build ships to defend your country when there is no air power.
2) If you want things like coffee or chocolate, you're going to have to hit up South America.
3) Rebuilding a stable world society means commerce and trade.
4) At the college I went to, a bunch of students built a sail boat in one semester that they used to sail to the Carolinas the following semester. So, it doesn't take that long if you're motivated.
5) maybe someone might sail to maybe a place where the living is easier without power? Heck, how does everyone know every other place in the world has no power? Did they take a poll using smoke signals? Did every single country show up to say "hey, is your power out, too? We were concerned their might be a wire down somewhere or maybe a screw up with our bill..."

Honestly, I would think there would be a massive black market industry for transporting people overseas - kind of like Coyotes who smuggle people in from Mexico - illegal goods in one direction, illegal people in the other...
Edited by NetworkTV - 10/10/12 at 8:01am
post #634 of 1851
This thread sucks worse the show ever has. Unsubscribed.
post #635 of 1851
Still sticking with it for now. I think their choice of actress to play Charlie is going to be a factor in the death of the show. She's terrible.
post #636 of 1851
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Originally Posted by lexluthor View Post

Still sticking with it for now. I think their choice of actress to play Charlie is going to be a factor in the death of the show. She's terrible.
Well, I don't remember anything else she's been in, so I can't be sure if she sucks or whoever writes her lines does.

Either way, she comes off like some yappy little dog that bites at your heels until you just want to kick it, but you don't, so your only relief is getting away from the house now and then. The problem is, you come back to find the little yapper has crapped in your slippers while you were gone.
post #637 of 1851
Just because a bunch of college kids built a sailboat to float around off the coast of Charlotte doesn't mean that in a post-apocolyptic world anyone is going to be able to build trans-atlantic steamships. If the militias have as much influence as this show purports (and it seems that they would and do), any attempt to build a trans-atlantic ship would be thwarted by the evil militias. They'd come in and burn down your ship, and then shoot you for daring to be so bold. I don't see why this is so difficult to accept.

And WHO has trains? Average Joe fish-monger? Carl the lumberjack? No, again, its the militias that have access to the steam trains. They would likely have complete control of the rails, and would again try and kill anyone who dared to use them as well.

Google-guy is perfect proof that most people are not set up to survive in a world without electricity. How he's made it this long is amazing, he has no real world skills. He was clearly not an Eagle Scout. Not everyone knows how to fish, cut down trees, hunt, make kerosene or oil, etc. And we would have no production facilities to do all of that without the use of electricity, and that would probably take several years to do (again, as long as the evil militia didn't come in and burn your fledgling factory down for trying).

As far as the English-lady: She started immediately after the blackout and walked from Seattle to Buffalo. That probably took a significant amount of time. When she got to Buffalo and found out they couldn't get her to England (something she clearly thought was possible, but since she is naive like most people in this thread didn't realize what a massive undertaking trans-atlantic travel would be) she wandered around the US for several years, ultimately winding up on that beach in Wisconsin. This must have been SEVERAL years after the blackout, because the young children are already teens at that point. Also, Wisconsin is very close to Chicago, to the Northwest. We don't know where Charlie's village was located, but we do know that it is a few days walking distance Northwest of Chicago, seeing as how they pass Chicago O'Hare airport on the way downtown.
post #638 of 1851
The bigger problem with Charlie is her character, moreso than Spiridakos's acting ability. She's annoying and whiny almost every time she opens her mouth, and when Nora chastises Miles for being "hard" on her, it's difficult to feel sorry for Charlie. If anything, Miles needs to tell her to shut up more often, because she's a demanding brat. We're probably supposed to feel bad for Charlie and angry at Miles when he says he wants to leave, but anyone in his right mind would want to spend as little time with her as possible. A show isn't going to last very long if everyone hates its main character.
post #639 of 1851
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Originally Posted by tighr View Post

Just because a bunch of college kids built a sailboat to float around off the coast of Charlotte doesn't mean that in a post-apocolyptic world anyone is going to be able to build trans-atlantic steamships.
OK, number 1) they sailed from the Northeast, down the entire coast to the Carolinas - that's far more than "floating off the coast". Number 2) you don't need a steam ship. A small sloop will get you across the ocean. If you toss your cookies easily, you won't enjoy it, but you'll likely get there.

Further, I find it difficult to believe every single ocean-worthy pleasurecraft in every harbor was either destroyed or seized. My uncle used to have a large sail boat he kept anchored well off shore in the keys, then harbored it up North during hurrican season. It's very likely if this happened, he'd be out on it now running black market trade goods.

It only took two people to operate it. He'd take a thrashing in poor weather due to her size, but she'd stay afloat.
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If the militias have as much influence as this show purports (and it seems that they would and do), any attempt to build a trans-atlantic ship would be thwarted by the evil militias. They'd come in and burn down your ship, and then shoot you for daring to be so bold. I don't see why this is so difficult to accept.
That assumes that someone is building it where the militia is likely to see it. Assuming you can remove the main mast(s) for storage, there are literally thousands of good sized boat houses that could be used to hide a rather large vessel. Just push the obscene-sized motor yacht out and move the sail boat in.

Further, once you have enough built that it will float, you can move off shore and use a smaller boat to get out to it where you can work out of sight.
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And WHO has trains? Average Joe fish-monger? Carl the lumberjack? No, again, its the militias that have access to the steam trains. They would likely have complete control of the rails, and would again try and kill anyone who dared to use them as well.
You're telling me the militia wouldn't find it good business to transport goods for the citzens? The more they control and provide to them, the more they can get away with taxing.

Further, the train isn't even the whole equation: where are the steam powered cars and trucks? I'm still wondering where the heck the bicycles are...
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Google-guy is perfect proof that most people are not set up to survive in a world without electricity. How he's made it this long is amazing, he has no real world skills. He was clearly not an Eagle Scout.
I fully agree with that. He couldn't even climb a fence.
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Not everyone knows how to fish, cut down trees, hunt, make kerosene or oil, etc. And we would have no production facilities to do all of that without the use of electricity, and that would probably take several years to do (again, as long as the evil militia didn't come in and burn your fledgling factory down for trying).
Before electricity, the majority of the population didn't do that stuff, except now and then for sport. During the industrial revolution, the majority of people lived and worked in big cities doing stuff that didn't involve hunting, fishing, mining or refining fuel.

Are you telling me there would be no chance that oil workers, miners and other service industry people all died out?

Frankly, if anything, the blue collar grunts are the ones that WOULD survive, since they wouldn't have as many luxury items to pasify them into unproductivity. They would know how to work with their hands and get things done without technology. The guy who fixes your fridge or your AC would likely start providing service in building and maintaining steam-based devices. Coal miners would still mine coal and oil workers would still pump and refine oil - just on a smaller scale and with more effort.
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As far as the English-lady: She started immediately after the blackout and walked from Seattle to Buffalo. That probably took a significant amount of time. When she got to Buffalo and found out they couldn't get her to England (something she clearly thought was possible, but since she is naive like most people in this thread didn't realize what a massive undertaking trans-atlantic travel would be) she wandered around the US for several years, ultimately winding up on that beach in Wisconsin. This must have been SEVERAL years after the blackout, because the young children are already teens at that point. Also, Wisconsin is very close to Chicago, to the Northwest. We don't know where Charlie's village was located, but we do know that it is a few days walking distance Northwest of Chicago, seeing as how they pass Chicago O'Hare airport on the way downtown.
So, she left an entire coast of potential sources of a ship to hop her to Hawaii, then Australia, then on to the Mediterranean, where she could either go around to England or hoof it across France to the Chunnel tunnel - which she could then walk through? Since the Suez has no locks, power wouldn't be an issue to get through, so it wouldn't be necessary to go around Africa.

Yes, let's go overland on foot for thousands of miles in a climate that gets this thing called "harsh winter weather" instead of walking down the coast toward Southern California.
Edited by NetworkTV - 10/10/12 at 9:26am
post #640 of 1851
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

The bigger problem with Charlie is her character, moreso than Spiridakos's acting ability. She's annoying and whiny almost every time she opens her mouth.... A show isn't going to last very long if everyone hates its main character.
Agreed!
She's nice to look at (until she wrinkles up her face)- but I cringe when she starts talking.
The character needs to stop whining and toughen up unless they intend to relegate her to a secondary role with less screen time.
post #641 of 1851
The British lady walked from Seattle to Buffalo to look for a Boat, then on to Wisc. or Chicago??? HMMM...
post #642 of 1851
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The British lady walked from Seattle to Buffalo to look for a Boat, then on to Wisc. or Chicago??? HMMM...
So what, she's supposed to say "screw it" and stay in Buffalo?
post #643 of 1851
Keep comments - positive or negative - confined to the show being discussed, not other members.
post #644 of 1851
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

1) You build ships to defend your country when there is no air power.
2) If you want things like coffee or chocolate, you're going to have to hit up South America.
3) Rebuilding a stable world society means commerce and trade.
4) At the college I went to, a bunch of students built a sail boat in one semester that they used to sail to the Carolinas the following semester. So, it doesn't take that long if you're motivated.
5) maybe someone might sail to maybe a place where the living is easier without power? Heck, how does everyone know every other place in the world has no power? Did they take a poll using smoke signals? Did every single country show up to say "hey, is your power out, too? We were concerned their might be a wire down somewhere or maybe a screw up with our bill..."
Honestly, I would think there would be a massive black market industry for transporting people overseas - kind of like Coyotes who smuggle people in from Mexico - illegal goods in one direction, illegal people in the other...

2. That cracked me up for some reason. smile.gif

4. I think there is a HUGE difference between a sailboat and crossing the atlantic in something that can hold supplies, survive the storms, waves, etc.
5. They DID have ships, so they were out there for awhile. They commented on the wars that took their tolls on everything. So they were out there, they know what the world is like. It doesn't sound like an attrative place to me. Perhaps trying to find a small island to re-establish but then you leave your "home" you leave friends, you leave what you have established, you leave what small protection you may have for the unknown. Those are powerful motivators for people to stay where they are.
post #645 of 1851
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

The bigger problem with Charlie is her character, moreso than Spiridakos's acting ability. She's annoying and whiny almost every time she opens her mouth, and when Nora chastises Miles for being "hard" on her, it's difficult to feel sorry for Charlie. If anything, Miles needs to tell her to shut up more often, because she's a demanding brat. We're probably supposed to feel bad for Charlie and angry at Miles when he says he wants to leave, but anyone in his right mind would want to spend as little time with her as possible. A show isn't going to last very long if everyone hates its main character.


Well, we do know its going to last 22 episodes and the ratings are stable and wins its timeslot in the 18-54 demo.
post #646 of 1851
Too much soap, not enough opera. Such is the result of writing by committee. I wonder what obstacles Kripke ran into with NBC? Kring was quite candid about their interference with "Heroes" in his commentaries (plus how he kowtowed to them). Only new series I've liked so far from the networks is "Last Resort" but then it's show runner did "The Shield".
post #647 of 1851
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Well, we do know its going to last 22 episodes and the ratings are stable and wins its timeslot in the 18-54 demo.
Knight Rider started out that way - so much so, they renewed it, only to cancel it soon after when they numbers went in the dumper.

The key is whether people come back after it's off for a week or two as the holiday programming ramps up. Charlie could get killed by Charlie Brown.
post #648 of 1851
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So what, she's supposed to say "screw it" and stay in Buffalo?

Yeah at that point, she's toast in terms of getting back to the kids. Of course, her real problem was the direction she went in the first place. She should have, from Seattle, walked along the Pacific coast until you reach that narrowest point between the US and Russia in Alaska, which is 55 miles. Find a way across there (maybe an Inuit person up there will have a boat for that crossing) and then you're in Asia. Then walk from Russia (Siberia, don't cross Siberia in winter though) to the spot in France that is closest to the UK. Find a way across the English Channel and she' s home. Of course then she wouldn't be on the show.

As opposed to trying to cross the Atlantic Ocean by boat, she would merely need to cross the Bering Strait and English Channel and take many years. Maybe 10-15 years or longer, if she even survives, but if you are desperate enough to walk from Seattle to Buffalo in search of a boat, you are desperate enough to walk from Seattle to France via the Bering Strait, right?
post #649 of 1851
Its still holding its own in the ratings and it still is doing better than any episode of 2008 Knight Rider, which peaked at 6.7 million viewers. In fact when DVR plus 3 are added in Revolution is upping its numbers by 50% but not sure what the means for sponsors.


10:00PM

NBC Revolution 3.0 8 8.01
ABC Castle 2.2 6 10.61
CBS Hawaii Five-0 1.9 5 8.39

If NBC is happy with the 1.6 to 1.9 that GRIMM gets I am sure Revol's 3.0 has them dancing in the halls at 30 Rock.
post #650 of 1851
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Originally Posted by pappy97 View Post

Yeah at that point, she's toast in terms of getting back to the kids. Of course, her real problem was the direction she went in the first place. She should have, from Seattle, walked along the Pacific coast until you reach that narrowest point between the US and Russia in Alaska, which is 55 miles. Find a way across there (maybe an Inuit person up there will have a boat for that crossing) and then you're in Asia. Then walk from Russia (Siberia, don't cross Siberia in winter though) to the spot in France that is closest to the UK. Find a way across the English Channel and she' s home. Of course then she wouldn't be on the show.
As opposed to trying to cross the Atlantic Ocean by boat, she would merely need to cross the Bering Strait and English Channel and take many years. Maybe 10-15 years or longer, if she even survives, but if you are desperate enough to walk from Seattle to Buffalo in search of a boat, you are desperate enough to walk from Seattle to France via the Bering Strait, right?
That could work, too. I only suggested heading South to ensure better weather.

Having said that, she'd actually stand a greater chance of getting their faster with your method. They still have steam locomotives in active service in some parts of Russia. In fact, China currently makes them. My home town bought one about 7 years ago. As a result, there might be active rail lines she could take to get across Siberia far more quickly.
post #651 of 1851
Well so long Maggie, she held up like a champ, not a single scream when she was being stitched up with no pain killers.. and her face always looked the same (maybe she couldn't look more pale)

Maybe I was too distracted by the so fake crying by Maggie or another thing....

Maybe were those dogs that are immune to swords and arrows or something..
post #652 of 1851
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Originally Posted by Argee View Post

Well, we do know its going to last 22 episodes and the ratings are stable and wins its timeslot in the 18-54 demo.

The show's performance thus far may be enough to secure it a second season, but you can bet the other networks are going to line up something new to put on their Monday schedules to compete with this show. It won't take much to topple this show's ratings if something better comes along, so we can only hope that the writers use the back half of the first season to make the characters more likeable and realistic.

I thought it was kind of weird that they chose to kill off Maggie at this point (rather than in the pilot or at the mid-season finale), but if this is the writers' way of making more room for Nora to contribute, I'm all for it.
post #653 of 1851
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

7 - Apparently, there are abandoned carnivals everywhere. Nothing says "apocalypse" like abandoned carnivals ...

Since they were near Chicago, it was presumably meant to be Six Flags Great America, if the writers actually thought enough to intend it to be a real park in that area.

However, it was almost instantly recognizable as Freestyle Music Park, nee Hard Rock Park, in Myrtle Beach SC -- which is actually abandoned right now (the park, not South Carolina).
post #654 of 1851
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Originally Posted by Jim Shaffer View Post

Since they were near Chicago, it was presumably meant to be Six Flags Great America, if the writers actually thought enough to intend it to be a real park in that area.
I thought the same thing. this was no "carnival", it was a full fledged amusement park, complete with roller coasters.
post #655 of 1851
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16 - "We specialize in torture that is invisible to the viewers at home. We want everyone to stay purdy-like..."

The sharp instruments were just a distraction, they actually waterboarded her which isn't even torture. biggrin.gif
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So, he wanted to call them to him?
Of course, that's actually even worse than the syringe. Where exactly did he conjure up a dog whistle?

Since you apparently view this intently, maybe several times, I'm surprised that you missed Miles ripping the dog whistle off the guy.
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Why?
There are several other fuel sources that don't require electricity to obtain or use. We've been using oil and kerosene since the 1800's and coal long before that.
Of course, it's also obvious that wood is plentiful since they spend a lot of time walking through a whole lot of trees. Further, we've seen plenty of abandoned places with literally tons of wood objects sitting unused people could burn if they wanted to.

Can you enlighten us on how they get the crude out of the ground and refine it to kerosene?
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It's clear this show bothers you and why you continue to watch is baffling. You set and take notes and list 20 things wrong, gosh, watch something else and enjoy your life.

This is his life. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by Jim Shaffer View Post

Since they were near Chicago, it was presumably meant to be Six Flags Great America, if the writers actually thought enough to intend it to be a real park in that area.
However, it was almost instantly recognizable as Freestyle Music Park, nee Hard Rock Park, in Myrtle Beach SC -- which is actually abandoned right now (the park, not South Carolina).

Good catch! smile.gif
post #656 of 1851
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Originally Posted by Jim Shaffer View Post

Since they were near Chicago, it was presumably meant to be Six Flags Great America, if the writers actually thought enough to intend it to be a real park in that area.
However, it was almost instantly recognizable as Freestyle Music Park, nee Hard Rock Park, in Myrtle Beach SC -- which is actually abandoned right now (the park, not South Carolina).

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I thought the same thing. this was no "carnival", it was a full fledged amusement park, complete with roller coasters.
It's just it's the second one they've been by in 4 episodes...

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Can you enlighten us on how they get the crude out of the ground and refine it to kerosene?
The same way they've always done it. They would just have to go back to the older, mechanical drilling, pumping and refining methods from before electricity.
post #657 of 1851
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post


The same way they've always done it. They would just have to go back to the older, mechanical drilling, pumping and refining methods from before electricity.

Easier said than done. We can no longer build a 16" gun barrel like those on the USS Missouri. Granted given enuf time and money, we could probably resurrect the means to do it but if you turned off the power, I doubt it. Same thing for a Saturn 5 rocket motor.
post #658 of 1851
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

It's just it's the second one they've been by in 4 episodes....
In the pilot, that was more like a country fair. It had a ferris wheel.

Are things like parks so statistically insignificant that it's odd to you that we've seen two of them in 4 episodes? We've also seen a Bennigans used as a rebel hideout, and I can't tell you the last time I saw one of those. There was an abandoned Audi parked outside the train station, now that's unrealistic, too.
post #659 of 1851
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Originally Posted by 73shark View Post

Easier said than done. We can no longer build a 16" gun barrel like those on the USS Missouri. Granted given enuf time and money, we could probably resurrect the means to do it but if you turned off the power, I doubt it. Same thing for a Saturn 5 rocket motor.
What does a ship from the 40's and rocket tech from the late 60's have to do with drilling and refining fuel oil which was occurring in the 1800's?

Further, the rigs would already be there. Most would electrically or diesel powered, but many are fundamentally the same mechanically as those that used steam mechanisms prior to the mid 20th century. Retrofitting them with those steam components to run the pumps would not be particularly onerous.

We went from a non-existent electrical grid to 70% electrification in the US within 25 years. The first transcontinental railroad was completed in roughly 7 years through all kinds of inhospitable conditions using nothing but a whole lot of manual labor.

Are you telling me people have become so fat and lazy that they couldn't cobble together even a rudimentary mechanical infrastructure in the span of 15 years?

It just seems like no one in this show has shown any ingenuity. Heck, you can make a simple lamp using cotton twine and a bowl of vegetable oil.

It would just be nice to see some clever people that don't rely on a little magic key fob.

My problem isn't that the main characters aren't clever or or industrious: it's that nobody on the show seems to be. Everyone seems content to let things stay they way they are with a cruel militia running things. Even the revolutionaries seem content to merely take insignificant pot shots that accomplish little. If guys with rifles can go up against, and cause a great deal of grief for the Syrian army that has an air force and bombs, one would thing the citizens could make far more trouble for a militia that barely has much more than they do in the way of weapons.

If our citizens acted this way back in the 1700's, we'd be using money with pictures of the Queen on it now.
Edited by NetworkTV - 10/10/12 at 10:29pm
post #660 of 1851
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Originally Posted by tighr View Post

In the pilot, that was more like a country fair. It had a ferris wheel.
Are things like parks so statistically insignificant that it's odd to you that we've seen two of them in 4 episodes?
It's not that - it's just that every time I see one of these "the world is plunged into the dark ages" dramas, people always end up wandering through an abandoned and/or overgrown carnival, fair, amusement park or similar. At least with the Walking Dead, you saw things like dead highways and devastated cities instead.

It's more that it seems to be a cliche to show a vine-covered Ferris wheel while the characters go somewhere.
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