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post #301 of 577
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What did you think of him in the opening number? I thought it was funny when Nigel stated... we knew when we selected you it would be a struggle at times. 

Cyrus was barely OK in the opener but again it was another number with a lot of movement but less actual dancing. When it was announced that he and Eliana had drawn the Jive, I figured that he would be exposed badly and he pretty much was. He basically stood there and supported Eliana as she did all sorts of wild dance moves. The whole routine didn't look much like a Jive to me. Cyrus is, no doubt, a great kid, very humble and one who knows that he's very lucky to have made the real broadcast phase of the show but his presence is an example of the worst kind of "stunt casting" that Broadway producers are often accused of. He kind of reminds me of Cedric of years back who dragged several very good female partners to their doom. He was an arrogant sod as well and Cyrus is anything but that. If next week is another epic fail, you have to wonder whether Sir Nigel and his band of Jidges will, again, strain all credulity to find praiseworthy aspects of the performance or will they just be honest and hope that the voters give them the chance to gracefully send him home. I wonder how Eliana really feels about the pairing at this point.
post #302 of 577
Cyrus in the jive reminded me of all the times an aging d-list actor would show up on DWTS and barely go through the motions. It was terrible. But at least his smile was into it. And he completed the dance. That's a big deal, right? To complete a dance? Pin a ribbon on him. I'm sure all the people that got passed over because they don't have a mohawk but who know how to dance were at home screaming at their TVs, "Good job, Cyrus! Way to finish that dance!"
post #303 of 577
It reminds me of competitions in special education classes where everyone who ran the race gets a medal to hang around his or her neck to congratulate them for participating. He finished the dance instead of what? Falling on his face halfway through and chipping a tooth rolleyes.gif?
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I'm sure all the people that got passed over because they don't have a mohawk but who know how to dance were at home screaming at their TVs, "Good job, Cyrus! Way to finish that dance!"

I picture that poor guy they walked down the green mile with Cyrus, showing a package in which he breezed through all of the tests in Vegas, only to tell him that they were picking Cyrus over him. I'm sure that he's cheerfully rooting for Cyrus from home. (They did the same thing with Amelia and a seemingly better dancer, but Amelia is proving that they made the right decision).
Edited by michaeltscott - 7/19/12 at 5:51pm
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If the show was finding the best overall dancer I can see where Cyrus is totally out of place and as such doesn't belong on the show beyond his initial audition. Since the show is all about finding America's Favorite Dancer I tend to look at it a little differently. Those caring enough to vote even placed him in the top seven... so he must have some supporters.

 

As Nigel keeps harping on dancing isn't all technical and even in this thread some are saying this or that person has zero personality. Why can't he learn the technical side while others learn other aspects of dancing... obviously his other aspects placed him ahead of many of the other dancers. Off the top of my head I'm more interested in seeing if he can step up as the weeks go by versus watching yet another forgettable routine by some average overall dancer.

 

A very bad example is a home run hitter that can't field a lick. His solo (dance style and presence) is so powerful you can't help but keep him in the line-up.

post #305 of 577
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It reminds me of competitions in special education classes where everyone who ran the race gets a medal to hang around his or her neck to congratulate them for participating. He finished the dance instead of what? Falling on his face halfway through and chipping a tooth rolleyes.gif?
I picture that poor guy they walked down the green mile with Cyrus, showing a package in which he breezed through all of the tests in Vegas, only to tell him that they were picking Cyrus over him. I'm sure that he's cheerfully rooting for Cyrus from home. (They did the same thing with Amelia and a seemingly better dancer, but Amelia is proving that they made the right decision).

Yep, that part of the show pissed me off. "Here's a guy we gave almost no screen time to, but he danced his ass off the entire time and never had a bad dance...but we're going with the quirky looking dude that's struggled with everything but his own limited genre. Teehee" Screw you, Nigel.
post #306 of 577
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Originally Posted by Charles R View Post

If the show was finding the best overall dancer I can see where Cyrus is totally out of place and as such doesn't belong on the show beyond his initial audition. Since the show is all about finding America's Favorite Dancer I tend to look at it a little differently. Those caring enough to vote even placed him in the top seven... so he must have some supporters.

As Nigel keeps harping on dancing isn't all technical and even in this thread some are saying this or that person has zero personality. Why can't he learn the technical side while others learn other aspects of dancing... obviously his other aspects placed him ahead of many of the other dancers. Off the top of my head I'm more interested in seeing if he can step up as the weeks go by versus watching yet another forgettable routine by some average overall dancer.

A very bad example is a home run hitter that can't field a lick. His solo (dance style and presence) is so powerful you can't help but keep him in the line-up.

Exactly. Glad to see someone actually gets it. smile.gif
post #307 of 577
Emmy nominations are out:

Outstanding Choreography
Dancing With The Stars • Routine: Without You • ABC • BBC Worldwide Productions
Travis Wall, Choreographer
Teddy Forance, Choreographer

Smash • Routines: National Pastime / Let's Be Bad / Never Met A Wolf • NBC • Universal Television in association with DreamWorks Television and Madwoman in the Attic
Joshua Bergasse, Choreographer

So You Think You Can Dance • Routines: In This Shirt / Turning Tables / Heart Asks For Pleasure First • FOX • Dick Clark Productions, Inc. in association with 19 Entertainment
Stacey Tookey, Choreographer

So You Think You Can Dance • Routines: Misty Blue / Velocity • FOX • Dick Clark Productions, Inc. in association with 19 Entertainment
Christopher Scott, Choreographer

So You Think You Can Dance • Routines: Whatever Lola Wants / Please Mr. Jailor / Where Do I Begin • FOX • Dick Clark Productions, Inc. in association with 19 Entertainment
Spencer Liff, Choreographer
post #308 of 577
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What did you think of him in the opening number? I thought it was funny when Nigel stated... we knew when we selected you it would be a struggle at times. 

My DVR only had a car commercial and then ~5 seconds of the opening number. Dont' know fi that was D* screwing up, a storm, or just the DVR. Is it on the Fox site? OR you tube?
post #309 of 577
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Originally Posted by Kevin_Wadsworth View Post

My DVR only had a car commercial and then ~5 seconds of the opening number. Dont' know fi that was D* screwing up, a storm, or just the DVR. Is it on the Fox site? OR you tube?

Could be your local affiliate. Directv is what I use and I saw the entire group number. It really was the best of the night, imo. They clearly built it around Cyrus' lack of skill in an effort to pimp him further. He seems like a likable enough guy, but he has no shot of winning "America's most popular dancer" contest regardless of how much Nigel wants to coddle him. Any more disasters like this week's and the embarrassment of picking him will grow and grow for the "judges". I feel bad for Eliana.
post #310 of 577
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Originally Posted by skyehill View Post

Could be your local affiliate. Directv is what I use and I saw the entire group number. It really was the best of the night, imo. They clearly built it around Cyrus' lack of skill in an effort to pimp him further. He seems like a likable enough guy, but he has no shot of winning "America's most popular dancer" contest regardless of how much Nigel wants to coddle him. Any more disasters like this week's and the embarrassment of picking him will grow and grow for the "judges". I feel bad for Eliana.

Thanks - I found it on YouTube. I liked it. Has NappyTabs done a group number before?

I agree on Cyrus, unfortunately. If Nick (or anyone else) had danced that Jive the judges would have torn him to shreds but they have a different standard for Cyrus.
post #311 of 577
Since this year people are voting for INDIVIDUALS, NOT COUPLES, this feigned pity party for Eliana is beyond absurd.

Get over it, people. If Cyrus is indeed not "America's Favorite Dancer," and/or Eliana is anywhere near as good as some seem to think she is (apparently only when her hair is curly) then the votes will show it as time marches forward. I also find it incredibly curious that one would state that their favorite number of the night was "clearly built it around Cyrus' lack of skill in an effort to pimp him further" when it's quite obvious that they are so desperately biased against him. Contradict much? rolleyes.gif
post #312 of 577
I love how Spyder claims to know so much about the show but he's also the one that seemingly doesn't grasp what the show is all about. People clearly vote for routines. A bad routine(either bad choreography or bad in the sense that one partner was so awful that it brought down the entire routine ala Cyrus this week) affects both parties, especially this early in the competition before people have been given a chance to be truly invested in dancers, which is why Nigel went out of his way to get you to invest in Cyrus during auditions and Vegas week. Pairing him with Eliana was most likely an attempt to create a safer bubble for him to screw up in since she'd carry the pair.
Edited by skyehill - 7/21/12 at 12:20pm
post #313 of 577
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Originally Posted by spyder696969 View Post

...Eliana is anywhere near as good as some seem to think she is (apparently only when her hair is curly)...
No, she's just prettier and more appealing when her hair isn't tied up in a librarian-style bun. In any case they let her hair flow freely in this week's routines, though the curls were maybe softened a bit.
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...when it's quite obvious that they are so desperately biased against him.
Huh? I don't get that sense at all. They would have torn any of the other dancers a new bunghole (and said something like, "I just hope for you sake that this doesn't land you in the bottom 3" to put off the voters) if they'd turned in any of Cyrus' choreographed performances. The fact that he's in the competition at all tells me that the judges are prejudiced in his favor and remain so. If he ends in the bottom 3 at any point before the top 10, I really doubt that they'll eliminate him. Of course, he could fall on his face and chip a tooth halfway through a performance, but then they'd just make him perform a solo, praise it to high heaven and keep him anyway.
post #314 of 577
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No, she's just prettier and more appealing when her hair isn't tied up in a librarian-style bun. In any case they let her hair flow freely in this week's routines, though the curls were maybe softened a bit.
Huh? I don't get that sense at all. They would have torn any of the other dancers a new bunghole (and said something like, "I just hope for you sake that this doesn't land you in the bottom 3" to put off the voters) if they'd turned in any of Cyrus' choreographed performances. The fact that he's in the competition at all tells me that the judges are prejudiced in his favor and remain so. If he ends in the bottom 3 at any point before the top 10, I really doubt that they'll eliminate him. Of course, he could fall on his face and chip a tooth halfway through a performance, but then they'd just make him perform a solo, praise it to high heaven and keep him anyway.

The only thing that could stop him from doing a save-me dance would be if one of the guest judges had a movie to pimp. Pimping apparently takes precedence over the dancers. My wife cheered when Eliana came out with the curls, although more subdued than her natural look. We'll take what we can get.
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One thing I did like about the new format is that they had to cut the bottom six announcement to the bone instead of dragging out three dancers at a time and taking ten minutes of air time to make it through all the dancers.
post #316 of 577
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One thing I did like about the new format is that they had to cut the bottom six announcement to the bone instead of dragging out three dancers at a time and taking ten minutes of air time to make it through all the dancers.

That was nice indeed. And....the.....first.....person....to.....go......home....issssssssssssssss....after the break.
post #317 of 577
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Originally Posted by skyehill View Post

People clearly vote for routines.
That's certainly true in part, but there's still an element of individual contestant favoritism even this early on: Nick and Janaya ended up in the bottom without their partners, so those partners (Amber and Brandon) evidently got more votes despite having participated in the same routines.
post #318 of 577
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That's certainly true in part, but there's still an element of individual contestant favoritism even this early on: Nick and Janaya ended up in the bottom without their partners, so those partners (Amber and Brandon) evidently got more votes despite having participated in the same routines.

That was a nice change to see. And I hope people don't punish Eliana for dancing with Cyrus.
post #319 of 577
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Huh? I don't get that sense at all. They would have torn any of the other dancers a new bunghole (and said something like, "I just hope for you sake that this doesn't land you in the bottom 3" to put off the voters) if they'd turned in any of Cyrus' choreographed performances. The fact that he's in the competition at all tells me that the judges are prejudiced in his favor and remain so.

 

Of course he is held to a different standard as far as criticism. It's beyond obvious and well documented he doesn't have the same level of training and talent with most (all? :)) dance styles. It would be beyond reason to hold him to the same standard. Since he finished in the top seven I find it rather silly to suggest he doesn't belong in the competition... that clearly states those who finished below him didn't as well.

post #320 of 577
To my mind, it's not fair that the judges have a different standard for Cyrus. Except for one of the ballroom girls, all of the other dancers have been asked to perform routines outside of their specialty and will continue to be asked to do so. Why should "America" be offered someone who's only barely classifiable as a dancer in the first place to pick their favorite from? "Oh look, the untrained street-style specialist! Isn't he adorable? Let's toss him into the mix with a bunch of trained dancers either already working as or aspiring to be professionals and see how he does, coddling him all the way, because his look and personality are different and interesting". Personally, I'd rather see a bunch of dancers fully trained in one or more conventional dance disciplines compete, even if they were less interesting as people. But (obviously biggrin.gif) I don't run the show.
post #321 of 577
In the first week it's not hard to see why Cyrus wasn't in the bottom. He and Eliana were given a fun routine that didn't require him to do all that much (or her even) but overall it was still a memorable and fun routine. This week he wasn't just bad, he was DWTS bad. If he's not in the bottom for that atrocity then everyone prepare themselves for many more weeks of leadfoot bumbling around the stage. As long as they shift to all-stars in the top 10 and Eliana gets to partner with a real dancer, I'll be happy. Hopefully she gets that far.
post #322 of 577
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Of course he is held to a different standard as far as criticism. It's beyond obvious and well documented he doesn't have the same level of training and talent with most (all? smile.gif) dance styles. It would be beyond reason to hold him to the same standard. Since he finished in the top seven I find it rather silly to suggest he doesn't belong in the competition... that clearly states those who finished below him didn't as well.

Exactly. When Eliana finishes in the bottom 3, then we can all state with certainty that she "clearly doesn't belong in the competition" as well. rolleyes.gif

Of course, if when that happens, there will be a myriad of blame thrown; from anything to her partner bringing her INDIVIDUAL votes down, to the stylists denying her the vote-getting curly hairstyle, to Nigel not pimping her enough, to Wade Robson not doing all her choreography, to her outfit, to every phone in America having whatever her number of the week being physically broken on their cell. rolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gif

Whoever gets the votes belongs in the competition. Period. This show promotes ameteurs learning and performing in different styles. That's the way the show is run, and it's doing just fine by doing so. Tuning in to see anything else is nuts. If you want to see professional dancers, you shouldn't be watching this show at all. Just as I don't go to the ballet to see if one of their pros can really bust out the Macarena or is phenomenal at hip-hop, I could care less if some of these kids can or can't do everything well simply because they've had the luxury of a rich mummy and daddy that coughed up some dough for some training. I watch to be entertained, like most of you.

Those that are crying about pimpage? Look what happened to former contestants that the judges crammed down our throats. Katee, Kayla, Alexa? Losers all, despite the absurd "perfection" comments blathered from the judges' mouths week after week. Hell, if anything, one would think that a person would WANT the judges to pimp someone that they have such volitile disdain against, given the history of the show.
post #323 of 577
Katee Shean can hardly be called a "loser". She was a freakin' top 4 finalist, finishing #3 and given a special $50,000 cash award as "America's Favorite Female Dancer".

And the show doesn't do that well rolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gif. It fell pretty hard on its face when they gave it a regular season primetime slot (partly, I think, because they spent something like 9 weeks in one hour audition shows). There's room for improvement and an all-good-enough-to-potentially-succeed-as-a-pro cast might help. Then again it might not.

I'm not looking to see seasoned pros compete, but spare me the embarrassing farce that is Cyrus attempting any style other than his unique "animator" thing rolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gif. The show is not called "So You Think You Can Learn To Dance" rolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gif (give me a break with the assinine multiple "rolleyes.gif's", huh spyder?).
post #324 of 577
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And the show doesn't do that well rolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gif.

 

That is exactly why they attempt to broaden its appeal. The same with Dancing with the Stars as they don't attempt to find the best dancing contestants. Rather they look to fill certain demographics which is as much as Nigel has mentioned on several occasions. The goal of the show is ratings... not for a moment to produce pro dancers or become so pigeon holed it ends up on PBS and is quickly canceled.

 

Back to different standards. My take is the judges more than pointed out he didn't perform the dance (to any degree). Nigel spelled it out in no uncertain terms. Do you really expect them to give a blow by blow breakdown of what he failed to do? What purpose would it serve? Instead, they conceded he couldn't perform the dance.

 

The moment you open voting to the public I think it's disingenuous to expect some self-imposed definition of Best Dancer to be the determining factor in the competition.

post #325 of 577
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Katee Shean can hardly be called a "loser". She was a freakin' top 4 finalist, finishing #3 and given a special $50,000 cash award as "America's Favorite Female Dancer".
And the show doesn't do that well rolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gif. It fell pretty hard on its face when they gave it a regular season primetime slot (partly, I think, because they spent something like 9 weeks in one hour audition shows). There's room for improvement and an all-good-enough-to-potentially-succeed-as-a-pro cast might help. Then again it might not.
I'm not looking to see seasoned pros compete, but spare me the embarrassing farce that is Cyrus attempting any style other than his unique "animator" thing rolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gif. The show is not called "So You Think You Can Learn To Dance" rolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gif (give me a break with the assinine multiple "rolleyes.gif's", huh spyder?).

You gotta love his condescension. Clearly he's an expert. The emoticons prove it.
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That is exactly why they attempt to broaden its appeal. The same with Dancing with the Stars as they don't attempt to find the best dancing contestants. Rather they look to fill certain demographics which is as much as Nigel has mentioned on several occasions. The goal of the show is ratings... not for a moment to produce pro dancers or become so pigeon holed it ends up on PBS and is quickly canceled.

Back to different standards. My take is the judges more than pointed out he didn't perform the dance (to any degree). Nigel spelled it out in no uncertain terms. Do you really expect them to give a blow by blow breakdown of what he failed to do? What purpose would it serve? Instead, they conceded he couldn't perform the dance.

The moment you open voting to the public I think it's disingenuous to expect some self-imposed definition of Best Dancer to be the determining factor in the competition.

Auditions exist to show viewers these alternative forms of dance. Then Vegas week exists to see how these people that were showcased can handle choreography and dance styles that are foreign to them. Cyrus was shown time and time again failing to do what other people were succeeding at. And yet they pick him, and he goes on to look like a fool during the live shows. If that's good entertainment, I'll take bad entertainment instead.
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On another topic, I couldn't help but be amused when I heard Kathryn "talk" in a clip from the new "Step Up" movie that got hyped this week.

She's beautiful to look at, a fabulous dancer for sure, but has a voice like a chipmunk. Unlike Lea Michelle's "ethnic look" which was falsely claimed to be working against her in having a successful career, this "chipmunk voice" of Kathryn's absolutely WILL prevent her from doing much more than dance, and possibly a future silent movie.


I was glad to see "Misty Blue" (Twitch and Sasha) from SYTYCD8 nominated for an Emmy. I remember raving about it myself last year when it happened, and I just watched it again from my HD clips. Still terrific.

Early surprises in the performance categories for me were (a) Tiffany and George's Sonya Tayeh jazz number, and (b) Audrey and Matthew's Travis Wall contemporary number. Both surprisingly enjoyable couples, with terrific choreography. The two females in these pairings were lovely to watch. Wonderful dancer physiques, light and featherlike agility but not "lean".
post #327 of 577
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Back to different standards. My take is the judges more than pointed out he didn't perform the dance (to any degree). Nigel spelled it out in no uncertain terms. Do you really expect them to give a blow by blow breakdown of what he failed to do? What purpose would it serve? Instead, they conceded he couldn't perform the dance.
But they said it in kindly voices as though it were understandable and forgivable. Other people who screw up (and not 1% so badly) get the stern treatment and comments like, "I just hope this doesn't land you in the bottom", even when they're not performing a dance in their specialty.
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The moment you open voting to the public I think it's disingenuous to expect some self-imposed definition of Best Dancer to be the determining factor in the competition.

I just think that when people are voting for "America's Favorite Dancer" the people that they're voting for should be at least credibly decent dancers if not necessarily excellent. They've chosen truly untrained street dancers in the past like Legacy Perez in season 6, who got to the top 8 and showed a lot more potential in his first few performances than Cyrus has. But Cyrus isn't a B-Boy like Legacy--his thing doesn't require him to move his feet much or ever quickly. I still say that he was a bad choice--I'd have much rather seen Feliciano, the Hip-Hop guy they ditched to keep Cyrus. Not as strange as Cyrus, but in the retrospective package that they ran before he "walked the green mile" with Cyrus, I think that he displayed a decent amount of character, as well as an obvious ability to learn choreography in different styles.

Whatever. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
Edited by michaeltscott - 7/21/12 at 7:33pm
post #328 of 577
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But they said it in kindly voices as though it were understandable and forgivable. Other people who screw (and not 1% so badly) get the stern treatment and comments like, "I just hope this doesn't land you in the bottom", even when they're not performing a dance in their specialty.
I just think that when people are voting for "America's Favorite Dancer" the people that they're voting for should be at least credibly decent dancers if not necessarily excellent. They've chosen truly untrained street dancers in the past like Legacy Perez in season 6, who got to the top 8 and showed a lot more potential in his first few performances than Cyrus has. But Cyrus wasn't a B-Boy like Legacy--his thing doesn't require him to move his feet much or ever quickly. I still say that he was a bad choice--I'd have much rather seen Feliciano, they Hip-Hop guy they ditched to keep Cyrus. Not as strange as Cyrus, but in the retrospective package that they ran before he "walked the green mile" with Cyrus, I think that he displayed a decent amount of character, as well as an ability to learn choreography in different styles.
Whatever. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

That was pretty much the first I had seen of Feliciano. My first thought was "Damn, here comes the first curveball. Cyrus is gone because this dude can dance really well and he's tall and has some character too." Then I remembered it was a Nigel produced show and Cyrus got through while the dancer went home. I need to learn the names of the other dancers I liked. Who's the girl that did the Titanic dance? I like her a lot too. Witney seems special as well.
post #329 of 577
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

But they said it in kindly voices as though it were understandable and forgivable. Other people who screw (and not 1% so badly) get the stern treatment and comments like, "I just hope this doesn't land you in the bottom", even when they're not performing a dance in their specialty.

 

Kindly voice? Why would you rip into someone for not doing what they can't do? They picked him knowing full well what he could and couldn't do and I think it would be unfair to rip into him. Others who have the experience, talent, and or training of course are going to be held to a higher standard... hence the tough love. I see it as him having more of the it factor. That alone appears to be powerful enough for voters to prefer him over others.

 

Should he win? Probably not, I simply know that I have more interest in seeing if he can step up next week than seeing yet another routine. Don't worry there will be plenty credible dancing to keep you entertained. :) 


Edited by Charles R - 7/21/12 at 7:53pm
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Who's the girl that did the Titanic dance? I like her a lot too.
I mentioned her as well above, in my "early surprises" comment.

That's Audrey and Matthew, in the Travis Wall "Titanic" piece. She's definitely a cutie.

Same with Tiffany and George (in that earlier beautiful surprising Sonya Tayeh slow piece).

Right up there with Janelle and Eliana in my "great dancers, great looking" for this season.
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