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I was never a fan of Melanie's either, though I admit that she was the technically greatest dancer of that season. She doesn't hold even a tiny bit of physical attraction for me (her Gerber-baby perfectly square face is just odd) and her treacly sweet bubbly personality always grated on me. She did do some superb work though.

Best dancer by a million miles, but yeah, not physically attractive at all. Weird body shape. She's one of the best I've seen become the role of each and every dance though. Just outstanding.
post #482 of 577
What I like about Anya is she separates the men from the boys. If your timid and weak she will eat you up. If your strong and have confidence she will make you look like a star. Cheon fell on the man side of the ledger this week.

I did break my normal rule and did not completely fast forward through Mary's comments. i think she was right this probably was one of the best performances we have seen from Allison my issue is the spotlight is supposed to be on Cole.

With all the talk of people not staying with Twitch I can barely remember times where a dance partner did not look good standing next to Twitch. I think normally brings up his partner a level or two. I think Whitney ran out of gas about 3/4ths of the way through that routine.
post #483 of 577
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

I was never a fan of Melanie's either, though I admit that she was the technically greatest dancer of that season. She doesn't hold even a tiny bit of physical attraction for me (her Gerber-baby perfectly square face is just odd) and her treacly sweet bubbly personality always grated on me. She did do some superb work though.

Best dancer by a million miles, but yeah, not physically attractive at all. Weird body shape. She's one of the best I've seen become the role of each and every dance though. Just outstanding.

post #484 of 577
Readers of this thread can be prepared to read some serious vitriol after tonight's airing. There will be one performance that features a dancer "completely unworthy" of being on this show that it's an absolute certainty to inspire words of hatred and complaint. This dancer is "so unreasonably bad" that he won't get a single "step" correct and shouldn't even be considered by anyone (including his own mother) to be their "favorite dancer." This person can't perform a perfect Fouetté rond de jambe en tournant, let alone a simple Plié! eek.gif

No, no no. This isn't about Cyrus, folks. This performer is Joel Brown of AXIS. Joel is paralyzed from the mid-chest down and will be performing a duet tonight with fellow AXIS dancer Sebastian Grub. Grub, who is not disabled in any way, also choreographed the routine.

There's no doubt that we will hear how the duet was "dumbed down" for Brown and that Grub was "robbed" of any chance of showing off his skills due to Brown's disability. We'll be regaled with words describing how Brown is a "talentless hack" that is being "pimped by da man" in order to go out on a tour. (AXIS just completed their Russian tour.) We're sure to be rapt by posts of how Joel's disability is responsible for the entire demise of So You Think You Dance, including, but not limited to; lower ratings, weeks off from TV, and the lack of curls being applied to hair. Readers of this thread may also choose to oompah their opinions from the bandwagon that disabilites (such as being paralyzed and/or not being born with a silver spoon in one's mouth and thus, lacking formal training) equate to having such a reprehensible lack of skill that said person should be exiled to the bowels of Hell. Such disabilities can obviously never be overcome, nor should the performer be looked upon as having any worth to society, regardless of whatever redeeming qualities they may possess or even if they lifted a burning car off of a small child.

Yes, yes, let the hate flow.



post #485 of 577
It's pretty hilarious how incapable Spyder is of accepting that people may have opinions contrary to his own. LOL. His rants are hilariously childish. "How dare you not like what I like!" Good stuff.
post #486 of 577
I am hoping that you recognize spyder's commentary for what it is. Satire.

(or, I hope, with tongue firmly planted in cheek)
post #487 of 577
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Originally Posted by humdinger70 View Post

I am hoping that you recognize spyder's commentary for what it is. Satire.
(or, I hope, with tongue firmly planted in cheek)

He's ticked off that people dare have an opinion that differs from his own. This is how that childish anger manifests itself.

But forgetting about his little tirade, here's hoping that tonight has some memorable dances (for the right reasons).
post #488 of 577
I'll bet that Spyder is a really big fan of John Cage's 4'33" composition. wink.gif

For those who are not familiar with it, here's the Wiki description of 4'33" :
4′33″ (pronounced "Four minutes, thirty-three seconds") is a three-movement composition by American experimental composer John Cage (1912–1992). It was composed in 1952 for any instrument (or combination of instruments), and the score instructs the performer not to play the instrument during the entire duration of the piece throughout the three movements...

Can you imagine what a great routine it would be if they have Cyrus stand absolutely still in the middle of the stage while that chick that did "Box of Hearts" sits at the piano and "plays" 4'33" ? tongue.gif


“If something is boring after two minutes, try it for four. If still boring, then eight. Then sixteen. Then thirty-two. Eventually one discovers that it is not boring at all.”

― John Cage
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On a more serious note, this brings up some interesting questions about "what is art" and "what rises to the level of being copyrightable". At what point is Cyrus plodding around the stage no longer what most people would consider to be "dancing"? If he's just standing still in the middle of the stage is he "dancing". Are performers of 4'33" actually making music?

Tangentially, I find the Kind of Screwed case to be fascinating. Kind of Screwed is the story of a guy that did a "8-bit" version of Miles Davis' famous Kind of Blue album and for the album art he used a down-ressed version of the iconic photo from the album cover for which he was threatened with a lawsuit. I find the question at the end of his page fascinating. According to copyright case law, at some point the original can be so significantly altered that it has become a "new" work of art and the original copyright no longer applies. He got threatened with a lawsuit over the first image in the sequence, so at what point do you think that the photo has been so altered that it is now a "new" work and the original copyright does not apply?



post #489 of 577
Some may argue second square up from the bottom left, but I would say second one up from bottom right. I fear lawsuits too much to risk the other one. biggrin.gif

ps: the former bit makes me wonder if Lou Reed's infamous Metal Machine Music was in response to 4'33". Or, vice versa. Too lazy to look up the dates.
post #490 of 577
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ps: the former bit makes me wonder if Lou Reed's infamous Metal Machine Music was in response to 4'33". Or, vice versa. Too lazy to look up the dates.

I've never heard Lou Reed actually mention Cage, but considering the Warhol crowd that Reed ran around with, it's highly likely that he was exposed to Cage's work. BTW, there's other Cage pieces that would be a more likely inspiration for Metal Machine Music than 4'33" such as his "Prepared Piano" pieces. It wouldn't surprise me if John Cale (who co-founded Velvet Underground with Lou) was the one that was inspired by Cage and that Reed got it from Cale.
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Originally Posted by Mac The Knife View Post

I've never heard Lou Reed actually mention Cage, but considering the Warhol crowd that Reed ran around with, it's highly likely that he was exposed to Cage's work. BTW, there's other Cage pieces that would be a more likely inspiration for Metal Machine Music than 4'33" such as his "Prepared Piano" pieces. It wouldn't surprise me if John Cale (who co-founded Velvet Underground with Lou) was the one that was inspired by Cage and that Reed got it from Cale.

Cage <---> Cale. major synapse misfire. I was thinking of Cale when I wrote that post, i.e., nevermind. redface.gif
post #493 of 577
Well, I'm resigned to it--I feel fairly certain now that Cyrus will be named "America's" Favorite Male Dancer. Having never enjoyed his work in any piece he was in (except this week's "Dub Step" routine w/Comfort smile.gif), I'd never vote for him, but "America" obviously loves him; so be it. I just can't see Chehon garnering more votes than him in the end. Cyrus and Tiffany are the only two who've never been in the bottom (Eliana was there once and Chehon has been there twice).

I see that they solved the "too many votes" problem by not soliciting votes after tonight's performances.
post #494 of 577
I really felt they should have given it to Cole and now that he is out. I have lost my interest in the show.
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I really felt they should have given it to Cole and now that he is out. I have lost my interest in the show.
Cole should've won over both of them.
post #496 of 577
Nigel must be proud, he's officially turned SYTYCD into American Idol. The guy that can't dance is headed to victory. I love it.

As for last night, the best dances for me were the quick step and then the ram dance at the end. Eliana's hip hop dance was atrocious. Great song, idiotic choreography. The dubstep dance was great choreography but it did Cyrus no favors because my eyes were constantly drawn to Comfort. Cyrus's 2nd dance was an embarrassment. As was Cheon's. His ballroom dance was a joke, and Witney suffered for it. If this was a dance competition, Cyrus would have been gone weeks ago. That Cole is gone and Cheon and Cyrus are still there is why it's easy to laugh at the show's insistence that it's celebrating dance. I would have kept Witney over the little brown-haired girl who's so anonymous that I can't ever remember her name or most of her dances. Other than Eliana, the show feels really anticlimactic now. Call it the forgotten season.
post #497 of 577
Some good, some bad last night.

Cheon? Really? Will he end up being this year's Sabra? There's no way that anyone would have predicted him making it this far. Love, love, love his solos, but when he gets with a partner, something gets lost. Katherine certainly got locked into character; she couldn't break out of it during the entire judging process. There must have been something very deeply personal in it for her. Cheon's Achilles' heel was clearly evident when he paired with Witney, however. Disappointing to see her talent squelched like that, particularly on her way out the door.

Cole got robbed. How he lost to Cheon is beyond me. The martial artist/dancer was brilliant throughout the entire season, further evidenced by the last "Ram Dance" last night. He crushed it. Sad to see him go. frown.gif

Tiffany once again proved that's she's light years ahead of the other girls when she annihilated that JIVE routine with Benji. (There was NO Quick Step...other than the painfully slow one woefully plodded through by Eliana last week...may have just as well been called the Granny Walker Step, lololololol.) Tiffany's disco was the pace that the QS should have been! Then, she comes out and dazzles us with her solo, which was, again, far superior to the other girls. (Although Witney's solo was interesting, at least.) If Tiffany doesn't win this thing, it will be an utter travesty. Tiffany, Tiffany, Tiffany. As with Cyrus, those who know talent (and also know the painfully obvious differences between a Quick Step and a Jive) also know your name. AMERICA LOVES YOU!!! smile.gifsmile.gifsmile.gif

Alas, poor Twitch. That's the first time I've ever seen him look like he was bored to tears. Who could blame him, what with having to dance that amazingly dumbed-down routine for Eliana? That was like watching a grade school rehearsal, and yet, she still flubbed it up miserably. Fortunately, it didn't feature any real moves requiring actual skill, or she would have fallen on her curly head! eek.gif It's also a good thing for some "fans" that Nigel is a genius and paired his favorite female with the only male that was popular enough for her to ride upon the coattails. Otherwise, she would have disappeared into oblivion; forgotten, just like her performances. I suppose she could carry Melissa's ballet shoes if she needs to learn from the best, however. tongue.gif

Cyrus once again blew the roof off the joint. We haven't heard cheering that loud since...well, since he performed his solo last week. Enough said. biggrin.gif
post #498 of 577
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Well, I'm resigned to it--I feel fairly certain now that Cyrus will be named "America's" Favorite Male Dancer. Having never enjoyed his work in any piece he was in (except this week's "Dub Step" routine w/Comfort smile.gif), I'd never vote for him, but "America" obviously loves him; so be it. I just can't see Chehon garnering more votes than him in the end. Cyrus and Tiffany are the only two who've never been in the bottom (Eliana was there once and Chehon has been there twice).
I see that they solved the "too many votes" problem by not soliciting votes after tonight's performances.
I was wondering why no phone numbers were coming up on screen. They used the vote counts from last week to pare it down from six to four, but because it's going to be a two-week finale, they're saving the vote until next week -

September 11, performance finale for the top four.

September 18 - grand finale, top 20 return, guest performances, announce of winners.

Note - next two weeks the show will be on TUESDAY.

FYI, I'm glad this is coming to an end. It's been a disjointed and disappointing season overall. Looking forward to bashing you folks over the head with my stuff from the DWTS thread! biggrin.gif First episode September 24!
post #499 of 577
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Originally Posted by humdinger70 View Post

I was wondering why no phone numbers were coming up on screen. They used the vote counts from last week to pare it down from six to four, but because it's going to be a two-week finale, they're saving the vote until next week -
September 11, performance finale for the top four.
September 18 - grand finale, top 20 return, guest performances, announce of winners.
Note - next two weeks the show will be on TUESDAY.
FYI, I'm glad this is coming to an end. It's been a disjointed and disappointing season overall. Looking forward to bashing you folks over the head with my stuff from the DWTS thread! biggrin.gif First episode September 24!

I hate DWTS, but I can't argue with you about this season of SYTYCD. If this was the season Nigel needed to step up and save the show, he did an awful job. All the week-long breaks didn't help matters.
post #500 of 577
Tiffany is gorgeous and has the best body I have seen in a long time, wow what a stomach!!

Cheon is pretty good, but as said, doesn't seem to dance as well with a partner. My wife and I called the top 4 from last week and we were right on.

I think it will be Tiffany and Cheon.
post #501 of 577
As I said last week, Witney was a goner--for whatever reason she was failing to connect with "America" and had been in the bottom 3 times previously. Other than Benji Schwimmer, has any ballroom dancer made it into the top 4? The DiLellos made it into the top 6 in the only season with six people in the finale but I'm fairly sure that they were the first two to go.
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As I said last week, Witney was a goner--for whatever reason she was failing to connect with "America" and had been in the bottom 3 times previously.

 

I don't think the young girls (voters) could/would relate to her. She was far too perfect however with the far more ordinary (looking on the surface) but very talented Tiffany they could see themselves coming alive. Whether right or wrong it appears to me it's either who they would want to date or be (see themselves). Of course there are plenty of exceptions to the rule but I do think it skews the voting to a large degree.

 

I don't really follow the show but post success are the top two or so more successful than say the third and fourth places finishers, fifth and sixth? I wonder if you could make the case the winner isn't a winner post show?


Edited by Charles R - 9/6/12 at 12:07pm
post #503 of 577
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Tiffany is gorgeous and has the best body I have seen in a long time, wow what a stomach!!

Agreed. Tiffany is stunning. Last girl we saw that was this degree of ripped and fit was Melissa.
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I don't think the young girls (voters) could/would relate to her. She was far too perfect however with the far more ordinary (looking on the surface) but very talented Tiffany they could see themselves coming alive. Whether right or wrong it appears to me it's either who they would want to date or be (see themselves). Of course there are plenty of exceptions to the rule but I do think it skews the voting to a large degree.

I don't really follow the show but post success are the top two or so more successful than say the third and fourth places finishers, fifth and sixth? I wonder if you could make the case the winner isn't a winner post show?

+1. Witney was a girl trapped in a woman's body. Reminds me of a young Anya.

The post-show success of the dancers through the years has been sporadic, at best...even with those who some thought should have won. Sabra? No sign of her anywhere. Katee? Vanished off the map. Russel? Gone. Billy Bell? Vaporized to nothingness. Kayla? Without a trace. Sasha? Nada. We knew that Jeanine was going back to school, so no shock we haven't seen her.

That said, those that actually follow dance for reasons other than bashing Cyrus or Nigel have seen plenty of others get loads of work. Twitch, Benji, Chelsea, Lacey, Ade, Brandon, Katherine, Melanie, Allison, Jaimie, Hok, Comfort, Nick, Gev, Pasha, Anya, Dominic, Mark, Travis, and many, many others have been seen all over the dance community since appearing of the show. Where they placed seems to matter little; their attitude and perserverance appear to have a much greater degree as to their success. I think it's incredibly telling that Nigel asks the choreographers not if the person is talented, but if they would hire them. Who wants to work with someone that has some skill but is a PitA to deal with?

Hell, just watch a single episode of Travis' new show, All The Right Moves, and you'll see tons of former SYTYCD performers getting paid. It's a bit too "reality-drama" for my taste, but watching what goes on behind the scenes is interesting to some degree. Seeing the incredible set of talent he put together actually dance is the true draw, however. That group is so ridiculously full of talent it's difficult to even fathom what they can do and where they can go.
post #505 of 577
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+1. Witney was a girl trapped in a woman's body. Reminds me of a young Anya.
How does she remind you of Anya? I see nothing that would even remotely compare them
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Katee? Vanished off the map.
She has returned as an all-star before.
post #506 of 577
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...Hell, just watch a single episode of Travis' new show, All The Right Moves, and you'll see tons of former SYTYCD performers getting paid...

Thanks, Spydie, I had never heard mention of the series. Kind of strange it has gotten no mention or love on SYTYCD. I looked it up (Oxygen cable network), and programmed it to record.

Are you seriously up on Cyrus or just spoofing us? He has a great face and is a really good one-trick pony, but...

Cole has that menacing thing down. I hope to see him sometime cast in a speaking role as a heavy. He could carry the protagonist in a martial-arts tale too, I'll bet. He looks dangerous.

Next week has to have the Chehon/Eliana pas de deux. They have to have been saving it for the inevitable finale.
post #507 of 577
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Where they placed seems to matter little; their attitude and perserverance appear to have a much greater degree as to their success. I think it's incredibly telling that Nigel asks the choreographers not if the person is talented, but if they would hire them.

 

Last Fall I watched the Lady Gaga Thanksgiving special and keep noticing Mark. After that I keep seeing him pretty much attached to her (while performing)... perhaps a dancer/bodyguard? :) I think he has worked with Katy Perry as well... back in his season he seemed like a good guy and it's nice to see the show being a stepping stone.

 


Edited by Charles R - 9/6/12 at 6:18pm
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Last Fall I watched the Lady Gaga Thanksgiving special and keep noticing Mark. After that I keep seeing him pretty much attached to her (while performing)... perhaps a dancer/bodyguard? smile.gif I think he has worked with Katy Perry as well... back in his season he seemed like a good guy and it's nice to see the show being a stepping stone.


They have mentioned many times on the show that Mark is Lady Gaga's primary dancer and leads the troop of dancers. He has been with her for awhile and you can see him in most of Gags's videos.
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How does she remind you of Anya? I see nothing that would even remotely compare them
She has returned as an all-star before.

Witney is, as I said, a girl trapped in a woman's body. I saw Anya years before she came on SYTYCD and she was much the same way. Once she adopted the attitude that she dripped sex all over the stage, her mind finally matched where her body had been leading. As for Katee, she came back as an "All-Star" only once, as I recall. Hardly an example of someone enjoying "huge success" after the show. Perhaps she's done other things, but I'm not privy to them.
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Are you seriously up on Cyrus or just spoofing us? He has a great face and is a really good one-trick pony, but...

"What is good, Phaedrus,
And what is not good-
Need we ask anyone to tell us these things?"



There is no doubt as to the genius that lies within the man. To say otherwise is folly. Those that deny such greatness are gifted with my undying pity, as their obtuse nature extends beyond this show and no doubt leaves them blinded to so very many beauties that life has to offer. Such a narrow view of what is "good" and what is "not good" obliterates the possibility that quality can even be reaonably self-determined by said individual at all. Sad.


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Originally Posted by MactheKnife 
I'll bet that Spyder is a really big fan of John Cage's 4'33" composition.

For those who are not familiar with it, here's the Wiki description of 4'33" :

4′33″ (pronounced "Four minutes, thirty-three seconds") is a three-movement composition by American experimental composer John Cage (1912–1992). It was composed in 1952 for any instrument (or combination of instruments), and the score instructs the performer not to play the instrument during the entire duration of the piece throughout the three movements...


To answer, one must accept that Cage's composition is a brilliant study in the art of stillness. Without this stillness, there can be only chaos. What if, by contrast, all members of a chamber orchestra were asked to play a single note on end for the same 4.5 minutes? Would that have any more or less quality? By removing one facet of the performance, the other contains no juxtaposition, and all sense of " order through randomness" is lost. So, yes, I AM a fan, admittedly though not in the sense that such a study nor my example would be found to be entertaining in the long term.


But back to Cyrus...Quick, tell me who the "best" dancer is: Cyrus or Mikhail Baryshnikov? You sure? What if the parameters for the decision were based upon the making of a movie where the part would entail the performer playing a reanimated zombie? Would Mikhail be laughed off the set at audition, patted on the head and shooed away with a condescending, "You're good at what you do, buuuuuutttt...?" If Pavarotti failed at singing a Justin Beiber ditty to perfection, would his talents be diminished or scoffed at? What if Lord Byron couldn't write standup for CarrotTop? Would his writing be called into question? Or if Immanuel Kant didn't understand a joke told by a local farmer in the villiage square? Would he be deemed as "dense?" Are these instances the absolute and definitive determinations of quality and worth?

The very argument that "best" rather than "favorite" would/should be applied to the dancers in this show is so far beyond comical that it deserves satirical response. When someone that doesn't know the vast differences between a Quick Step and a Jive is given the same opportunity and quantities of votes as one that has years of training and viewership, the term "best" is rendered completely meaningless.

There are persons here that would have everyone's enjoyment devalued to their level of; hatred, rage, anger, resentment, insecurity, scrutiny, ignorance, and fear. Some may attempt to sway you into thinking that the end result is all that matters and if their vision does not come true that there is a conspiracy or that the show (and world) is coming to an end. I say that faithful viewers tune in to enjoy dance, in ALL of its forms, and relish the moment for what it is. Drink in the rich texture of quality that offers itself and don't fall into the dark abyss. Vote for your favorite and enjoy the best show on TV. All of it.
Edited by spyder696969 - 9/7/12 at 10:07am
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