Denon AVR - 2112ci vs Denon AVR - 1913

The 2112CI features a higher version of Audyssey as well as a 3 year warranty. EE generally provides a discount a short time out of the gate which remains until final clearance sales.

Depends on your feature requirements. Although the 2112CI is a higher level model, the feature benefits of the 1913 over the 2112CI would be: (1) upscaling to 1080p, (2) Spotify and SiriusXM, (3) Airplay can play independently to Zone 2, and (4) Front HDMI ... none of these features is offered on the 2112CI.

You most likely can get the AVR-2312ci for not much more if any, compared to the new 1913, and get a much better receiver. The ci series does have performance build technology that the none ci don't offer just as Yamaha's Aventage series vs their RX-V series. Many may not think much about it but it's there none the less.

The 2112 without scaling was a disappointment along with it's very limited connections. The 2312ci rectifies those shortcomings.

I just ordered a 2112 today before they are gone. I thought long and hard about options. I've got a 2.5 year old onkyo htrc160 that the ir receiver died on. pretty dissapointing as every one of the other 4 or 5 recievers i've owned over the past 20 years is still working (and some are in use except for the oldest ones). I've never had one die just out of warranty and there are numerous instances of this. Anyway...i digress.
My thought process is this...
I almost got a pioneer 1021 2 mos ago because they were $300 (which is my typical price point) but i had no need then as the onkyo sounds great and usual service life till obsolecense on these is around 5 years. I dont love the lack of analog inputs in the past couple years (actually caught me by surprise while shopping this time around) but realisticallly, bluray players are cheap w/ good upscaling and hdmi, game consoles for past several years are all hdmi except for wii. I would have like to have upscaling, but realistically i dont see it getting used. The only thing that would really need it would be my cable box sdtv channels, but the cable box/dvr is high def and so sends all signals at 1080i, so although my onkyo has upscaling, i've used it w/ sdtv and didnt really see any difference.
The 1913 and 2312 are presently $150 more expensive than the 2112 (presently low 400's), and for the extra $150 you could buy an apple tv for zone 2 if you need that feature. So, for scaling sdtv, i didnt think it was worth the extra $150, as i'm already $100 over my typical price point.
Also, i do use my onkyo remote to control the cable box, so the preprogrammed remote in the 2112 (and no longer in the xx13 series) is significant loss to me.
Just thought i'd share my thought process.

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The difference of 15W between the 2112CI (90W) and the 2312CI (105W) is moot and likley won't be noticeable ... in fact the power difference between any of the "CI" models should not be a decision factor, rather choose the model that meets your feature/input/output requirements.

..like the advanced GUI of the 2312 over the 2112. I was tired of the Commadore 64 GUI on my 889 so I spent an extra $150 or whatever to get that. The web app is still C-64 which is a disappointment though.

Call me old school, but i dont mind a basic looking interface...maybe even prefer it. Function over form...a simple interface is often easier to get the job done. Realistically it's only going to be used when its new or i get a new component. And i wrote software for my Commodore 64 back in the day!

It's actually more than the 15 watts, as the 2112 will clip much earlier into the 4 ohm impedance dips that 8 ohm nominal impedance speakers have. The 2112 doesn't have as much clean power or as much period, into 4 ohms loads according to Home Theater mag. Not much behind the AVR-3312ci into Stereo 4 ohm loads, although it did fall off greater with all 7 channels driven.

Regardless, the difference won't be apparent at anything but the loudest levels. I wouldn't let it be a deciding factor. I went with the 2312 because of I/P scaling and much better connectivity with more inputs and connections.

If it were not for all the give aways on the new **13 series, the addition of the I/P scaling would be a winner but the deleted features far outweighs the added features on any of the new models unfortunately. This time it's best to get the previous year models even if they are priced the same.

Audio equipment has no need for a video HDMI so they usually don't come with them just analog or digital coaxial/optical connections.

Besides some of us like to backup our collections of videos and audio, and A/V input and output connections are needed for that. Also some of us have lots of equipment that limited connection receivers can't accomidate. 2-DVD Recorders, Mini-Disc Players/Recorders, DAT Recorders/Players, CD Recorders, Turntables, None HDMI Universal HD Audio Players, Older video game consoles, etc. A/V receivers are suppose to add convenience and function, not force you to have to buy all new equipment to be compatible.

Most equipment does not have HDMI, only equipment in the last couple of years has HDMI. I've been in the HT Hobby now for about 20 years (audio much much longer), and never have seen A/V receivers so limited in their equipment compatibility.

Yes I negotiated my AVR-2312ci for much less than what dealers are asking for on Amazon. Same thing with my last Denon AVR-3803. I'll walk before paying anywhere close to MSRP. There's always someone who wants to a make a sale. I bought from a popular authorized dealer but it's not fair to them, to quote their business name or the personal price I negotiated. If someone wants to do the work as I did, then they can also reap the benefits.

Anyone else have any specific opinions regarding the 2112/2312 vs., say, the 1913?

Shopping for receivers for my odd set-up...

Have a 5.1 home theatre – cable box, xbox, blu-ray, appleTV. Cable modem will live there, so I'll have ethernet available at that location.

Then, there are six architectural speakers in a new construction addition 70 feet away. There's analog cabling from the HT drop to the architectural speaker drop.

For the HT area, need a receiver with pre-out to zone 2.

For the architectural receiver, looks like I'll need a 7.1 to be able to power at least six speakers. No internet available there, so I'll have to put a wireless bridge on the back of the receiver there.

Would like to have airplay in both - don't really want to be using airplay -> appletv -> HT receiver -> preout -> architectural receiver. Would rather just airplay music directly to whichever receiver.

So, the best (and cheapest) solution seemed to be the denon boxes - and there seems to be some controversy regarding last year's vs. this year's that's kind of difficult to sort through.

Anyone have any feedback on which receivers (or, even, if this is a terrible idea - and the alternative).

Thanks!

Sorry for intruding here. I'm not sure how to start a new thread. I'm having a problem getting my 1913 to recognize my subwoofer. My old Yamaha (a pre HDMI model) had no problem recognizing it just two days ago. Nothing that I do seems to work. Anybody help?

Rather than starting your own thread, you're much better served posting in the Denon AVR-XX13 Owner's thread linked in my sig.