Originally Posted by Seegs108
The issue is that there is basically nothing out there in 8K at the moment and I don't mean it in the same way most are complaining about 4K here on this forum. There is plenty of 4K material out there, it just happens to be kept on the commercial/professional side of things and hasn't been released to the consumer side of things. There is literally close to nothing in an 8K digital format as far as movies go. When movies shot on film go through a telecine process and converted to digital, that master is almost always (99.995%) in 4K. That's just film, when you look at digital, there isn't anyone in Hollywood shooting in 8K. That has to do with the lack of cameras. Sure there are prototypes that can shoot in 8K, but there aren't any mass produced, director/DP friendly, contrast quality 8K cameras out there. The highest resoultion you're going to see currently is 5K being shot on RED digital cameras. There are only a handful of digital masters in 8K at the moment. So when I say there is no content, there really is no content....anywhere.
So if people have serious doubts about 4K you can quadruple those doubts about 8K. Don't even waste your time typing the words "8K" because we are not going to see it within the next 15 years. And that's a minimum time frame. It isn't going to happen.
I also think we need to get off this subject about JVC 1080p projectors having 4K inputs. The reality of it is that JVC will most likely put out native 4K projectors (maybe two generations) with appropriate inputs before there is a lot of content. This is what we saw with 1080p projectors as well. I realize what the benefits could be with e-shift and 4K inputs but I don't think JVC wants to waste money on something like this. If anything, this will hinder people from buying those new units. If they deny you that 4K input it's going to push many to buy a new model that is 4K native. They're going to make more money this way. If you were JVC wouldn't you do that?
As I said, 8K content isn't for movies, at least in a near future, it's the future standard for broadcasting.
Implementation of UHDTV is expected to be rolled over in 2013-2014 in Japan and China, and from 2015-2020 for the rest of the world. Granted, this could be 4K or 8K, but everything I hear tends to suggest that broadcasters will skip 4K and go directly for 8K, as they can't afford to change their architecture all the time and have just done so for HD (in quite a minimal way given the amount of compression we have to live with). As we are talking about products sold at the end of 2013, early 2014, it makes sense to take into consideration the ability to handle broadcasting signals which might start being rolled out within a year of purchase, especially for a 10K+ product.
This being said, I totally agree with what you are saying about the lack of availability of 8K movies in a near future. I am personally only interested in movies, so I was just trying to explain why I thought Ron's prediction was relevant. I have strictly no interest in 8K projectors, eshifted or not, because I so rarely watch TV that I have no plans to upgrade my HD satellite receiver within the next 5 years.
Regarding true 4K vs 2K with eshift and 4K inputs, I have already explained why I thought it mattered.
If JVC (or Sony) offers a native 4K projector for 5-10K, which is very unlikely, I might consider it.
But as it's likely to be about twice as much to start with, there is NO WAY I would buy one, because as I explained in my setup the benefit of 4K as far as H/V resolution is concerned is minimal, at best. This is the case for most people without a huge room and screen, which doesn't seem to be the majority in the U.S. but is the majority in most other countries, including the U.K.
If, however, they offer on all the esfhift models 4K inputs for the price of the present range (5-10K), I will definitely buy an rs49 or an rs57 (or whatever they call them) to replace my rs45, simply to be able to benefit from the increase color depth, resolution and gamut that is likely to come with 4K content. Unless there is a VW96ES with 4K inputs, which might also tempt me.
At the end of the day, we're only making predictions:).
Mine is for JVC an entry level model with no eshift, two mid-range models with eshift and a native 4K model (with or without 8K eshift) only if the new HDMI interface is available by then (end of 2013 / early 2014). And it will probably be on all models except the low end one, unless cost is roughly the same compared to HDMI 1.4, in which case they'll put it on all models to get the latest standard and the non 4K related improvements (like faster refresh rates in 2K 3D).
If the new HDMI interface is not available, then I believe we'll have another year of incremental improvements, and no 4K model at all on the whole range, just better 2K panels with a faster switching rate and better 3D.
Re Sony, the successor to the 95ES has been reported to not have 4K and 4K inputs wouldn't make any sense as 4K content would have to be downscaled to 2K as it doesn't have eshift, so not much to expect from Sony at this stage.
Which at the end of the day means I'll probably keep my rs45 another year:)Edited by Manni01 - 2/11/13 at 5:10am