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mark haflich 
I know about what happened and Sony would not endorse a mere jump in resolution because 4K will fail miserably in the market unless 4K significantly is better than 1080p on smaller size steps. They insisted on a higher bit rate and a few other things and there is no agreement. Task forces yada yada last October. Of course its feasable but it will be expensive to design and build while market projections for 4K don't look lso hot for the next couple of years. The Coalition must believe there will be a return on their investment and I don't think they see it. it isn't going to happen.
The problem gentlemen is that we are aging. The kids, say those under 35, do play with duscs. They are computer wiz kids,. everything gets streamed or down loaded. Data capacities and costs with increase and decrease respectively. Hell. One could just sell content on a USB-2 driver or an SD card and read it into a server just like one puts a disc into a cd.dvd, or Bluray machine. No drawer to break, nothing to get scratched. Optical discs are over. Maybe you like them, maybe you want them, but you ain't the market and it ain't going to happen. Can I sell you guys rocking chairs?
Mark,
Going to have to disagree, not with the first paragraph, but with the second. This is all total guesswork and common sense on my part though. You're likely only to see 4K a reality when they lock down the specs that include benefits other than just resolution. That will likely happen and we'll benefit from banding relief. No hardware will be produced until HDMI 1.5 or 2.0 is final. I'm going to predict that the PS4 announcement tomorrow will be for a PS4K player that's not actually sold until Christmas time. It will include the latest HDMI, hopefully with two outputs for video and one for sound like the Oppo.
I understand what you're saying about the under 35 generation and for the most part, that's true. Most of them are storing their content in "the cloud" and getting their inferior mp3 off iTunes and Amazon. They're also using Netflix, Hulu, and Vudu for movies. However, they're also living at home longer, not able to find jobs out of college, in debt, and certainly not able to build a home theater. They not really the market for 4K Projectors and expensive TVs. As you point out, we're old, but it's us old guys that are the initial market for 4K, not them. Eventually, they'll move up economically (maybe, but we could also be headed into a global depression too). And if/when they do, they'll want higher quality. They prefer Vudu over Hulu and BD over DVD, but it's just a matter of economics. People are still renting/watching DVD, so 4K is going to take time. It will replace DVD and co-exist with BD just as BD is starting to thrive over DVD.
CE needs to come out 4K to maintain profits. It's technical progress that they will make happen, even if it's just us old farts that buy it initially. As such, it will come on optical platters because (1) they're cheaper, (2) we're already familiar with them, and (3) need to fit inside a RedBox machine as BD replaces the DVD and 4K replaces BD. It's a technical evolution, not revolution. The pipes to our houses are still too small. And it's that pipe (and money) that keeps the younger folks watching lower quality for now. 4K will be a reality before any larger bandwidth is rolled out. I have FIOS and it still takes time to download HD content.
And anyone that thinks you'll go to a KIOS a get it delivered on a chip which you'll transfer it to a HDD is nuts. It takes time to transfer a large file even over USB3 or eSata. We live in an instant gratification world. No one wants to wait for the file to download to a chip at a KIOS. Folks want to buy it from Amazon and have it shipped to their door. Or pick up the latest release from a Redbox machine in under a minute. They want to pop it into their player and watch it right away, not wait for any transfer delays.
Until the bandwidth infrastructure is in place, 4K will still be delivered the old fashion way, on optical disks. It's cheaper and more readily accessible and acceptable by the masses (who still need to be weened off of DVD).
Edited by stevenjw - 2/19/13 at 4:32pm
, do I think it is overkill......no F way - it fits very good IMO ( and I have and even smaller high gain screen for 3D 
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