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post #241 of 691
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Originally Posted by jlanzy View Post

So are you saying I'm BSing myself with my 120x51 scope screen trying to convince myself that the vw1000 is overkill and my vw95 is good enough smile.gif

Definitely! Go for it! You only live once:)
post #242 of 691
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Originally Posted by jlanzy View Post

I like to wait until 2nd generation products become available because generally they are cheaper and more of the movies I like will be available in that format and at least the big bugs will have been worked out and I won't have to spend so much time on the forum begging for help troubleshooting.
Unfortunately, they ALWAYS manage to have enough bugs to keep us begging for help in the forums...biggrin.gif

1st or 4th gen, the only electric appliance I ever bought which was truly trouble-free was my toothbrush.smile.gif

Foolishly I thought the more you pay, the least issues you get, but I quickly realised this wasn't true at all.

You get the exact same amount of issues, except you are more frustrated about them because of the price you paid.
post #243 of 691

Interesting how Sony and JVC have switched positions re 'purity':    JVC emphasizes its native o/f CR, with no fudging with dynamic iris's, while Sony exploits the latter to cover up its somewhat lower CR.    Then on resolution, Sony touts its 'true' 4K, with none of the e-shifting fudging JVC uses with its 2K+e-shift to produce '4K-lite'.    

 

I do love my Sony1000, and will stay with it for several yrs at least (esp if in the future they provide the HW upgrade that has been discussed), but still do sometimes miss the ueber-CR of the top JVC's.

post #244 of 691
One doesn't have to beg. Just ask.

The only thing I can say is that after one year, i have absolutely no desire to upgrade from the 1000ES. Several friends (HT guys) were over my house yesterday including Tom Huffman who was testing a 4K signal generator he just purchased. We were talking and he commented once again that my 1000Es throwing on my snomatt screen was the best picture he has ever seen in all his calibration travels.
i was fortunate to get the projector from Sony at a price I could afford. I have done a lot of work helping Sony in some engineering and editing certain documents and even advising on one promotional video shoot and I was rewarded with a very good price.

There are lots of things I would like that I can't afford but so be it. Thanks to medical science I am alive and well at 67. If I were to be born 20 years earlier I wouldn't still be kicking when I reached 67. hell. I will be 68 on May 30. If you want to make a gift, cash is always appreiated. smile.gif

bat bib. why not bat cave. When I move to florida I suspect my new theater will be a 2 or 4 seater in a room maybe 12 x 15 ft. Maybe putting the projector in a closet effectvely increasing the size of the room by a few feet. Life goes on.

Thanks Manni. You are a good guy
Edited by mark haflich - 2/20/13 at 12:58am
post #245 of 691
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

..........When I move to florida I suspect my new theater will be a 2 or 4 seater in a room maybe 12 x 15 ft. Maybe putting the projector in a closet effectvely increasing the size of the room by a few feet. Life goes on.

.......

Mark - when we moved to FL 6 years ago from the DC area I found the key thing to look for in a house down here (assuming you are not getting a custom home where you can do whatever the hell you can afford) is one with a "bonus room" or less frequently called a game room. In our case the builder offered an optional 2nd floor over just one area of the main floor - toward the rear of the house. Our 2nd floor has a bonus room (approx. 16' x 21') plus a full bath and a guest bedroom. I could have got just a bonus room upstairs and it would have been about 5 ft. longer, but I felt having a bathroom upstairs was a better configuration for my case. On other models and with other builders they may offers a 1st floor bonus room, typically offered as an optional extension on the rear of the house. Perhaps 25% of the dozen plus builders we talked to offered some sort of standard, or more frequently optional, bonus room on one or more of their standard models. Some were not suitable for a proper home theater as they were open areas and not easily closed off from the rest of the house. In our case the only negative is the HT room has 6 windows. I ended up having aluminum roll down hurricane shutters added to the outside of the house (electric version with z-wave remote are available or for less $$ there are manual roll down models). When shut these fully block the light thru the windows and are also perhaps the most convenient type of hurricane projection. I also added heavy black interior curtains. With ground floor bonus rooms most builders seem to include a sliding glass door to the outside which make light control even more of a issue. Just some food for thought and by the way the current temp. here in SW FL is 83 degrees (28 C for our international friends).
Edited by Ron Jones - 2/11/13 at 10:54am
post #246 of 691
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Mark - when we moved to FL 6 years ago from the DC area I found the key thing to look for in a house down here (assuming you are not getting a custom home) is one with a "bonus room" or less frequently called a game room.

Ya, our theater is in a " bonus room " the builder built over the garage. But it's not in Florida........smile.gif
post #247 of 691
Mine is a bonus room over my garage. 16x21 feet. Pics in the sig. Worked out great.
post #248 of 691
Thanks Ron. I do know about bonus rooms. There are many things we want in our new house and my wife wants to be close to Sarasto and favors to the south. Palmer ranch or slightly south.

There are many higher priority features she and I want. I will settle for a bedroom theater or in the worst case build a small room in the 3rd bay of a three care garage. Lots of houses have those for golf carts etc. I need a room where I can watch my sports without bothering my wife and where she and I can watch some movies from time to time.. Sometimes I see a non master bedroom that is 17 ft long. But whatever. If we find the right house, I will make whatever it has do for the theater. I can always go to Alan's for the pro 4K experience.
post #249 of 691
You shouldn't have a problem Mark. When my wife and I looked for a house, it had to have room for a home theater, a room or space that could be converted into a temperature controlled walk in wine cellar, and a room with at least a 20 foot tall ceiling so we could build an indoor climbing wall.

We got all 3............smile.gif
post #250 of 691
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

......i was fortunate to get the projector from sony at a price I could afford. I have done a lot of work helping Sony in some engineering and editing certasin documents and even advising on one promotional video shoot and I was rewarded with a very good price.

 

 

I don't have any engineering skills but my janitorial skills are unrivaled, do you think Sony would be interested in working out a deal with me to get a good price also on a vw1000?   :)

Alright then, how about a discontinued Walkman?!

post #251 of 691
Well the contractor that built Turls' addition where his HT is didn't have any measuring skills and he got paid.
post #252 of 691
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

Thanks Manni. You are a good guy

I'm not sure about that, but I know you are, Mark:). Good luck with the new house, I got confused, I thought you had already moved.
In any case, even if the cinema room has to shrink a bit, you'll still have the best projector available to date in it, and more sun than us in the UK when you step out of it, that's for sure:)
post #253 of 691
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Originally Posted by Manni01 View Post

I'm not sure about that, but I know you are, Mark:). Good luck with the new house, I got confused, I thought you had already moved.
In any case, even if the cinema room has to shrink a bit, you'll still have the best projector available to date in it, and more sun than us in the UK when you step out of it, that's for sure:)

More sun but fewer pubs
post #254 of 691

Yikes!--an av temp of 83deg?    I had enough of that growing up in Miss.

post #255 of 691
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post

Yikes!--an av temp of 83deg?    I had enough of that growing up in Miss.

Average high temp this time of year is about 75 degrees (low around 60). This has been an unusually warm winter with many days getting up to the low 80's, but typically dry with fairly low to moderate humidity. Great for use of my pool and convertable, but a few $$ more to run the AC to keep the home theater cool.
post #256 of 691
Ron. Which town are you in?
post #257 of 691
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

Ron. Which town are you in?

We are in Ft. Myers, about 70 miles south of Sarasota and 30 miles north of Naples (up and down Interstate 75).
post #258 of 691
Yep. Been there many times taking photoes of birds in Esterro Lagoon and on Sannibell, Ding Darling etc.
Edited by mark haflich - 2/12/13 at 4:08am
post #259 of 691
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Originally Posted by jlanzy View Post

So are you saying I'm BSing myself with my 120x51 scope screen trying to convince myself that the vw1000 is overkill and my vw95 is good enough smile.gif

Yeah, I'm not a bleeding edge tech kind, I like to wait until 2nd generation products become available because generally they are cheaper and more of the movies I like will be available in that format and at least the big bugs will have been worked out and I won't have to spend so much time on the forum begging for help troubleshooting.




Hmm, I have a 110 x 46 screen for it redface.gif, do I think it is overkill......no F way - it fits very good IMO ( and I have and even smaller high gain screen for 3D eek.gif )


dj


BTW. my HTroom is about 3 x 6 m ( about : 9 x 18 feet ) and our temperture ( when we talk about that ) is about - 5 C with snow ( think it is about 22 F ) in a half year, if we are lucky, if we get at the hottest summer about 85 F:)
Edited by d.j. - 2/12/13 at 7:52am
post #260 of 691
Posted this in the 20+ forum but thought you guys would be interested


Sony VPLGT100 4k projector dual display port input for 4096x2160 resolution at 60 frames per second

http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-projectors/cat-ultrahires/product-VPLGT100/
post #261 of 691
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Originally Posted by space2001 View Post

Posted this in the 20+ forum but thought you guys would be interested


Sony VPLGT100 4k projector dual display port input for 4096x2160 resolution at 60 frames per second

http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-projectors/cat-ultrahires/product-VPLGT100/
WOW
post #262 of 691
Wow what?. Consumer 4K sources won't be dual link 1.4 or whatever HDMI. This is essentially a simulation market projector which while allowing a higher input rate adds a portrait mode and adjustable angle of polarization exiting the projector. That's about it. Home theater dealers don't sell this and don't have access to it. When the new HDMI standards come out and chips become available then you can think about getting a new input board when and if Sony comes out with one.

If the WOW is about the price, just pretend its a Sim2.
Edited by mark haflich - 2/18/13 at 6:56am
post #263 of 691
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

Wow what. Consumer 4K sources won't be dual link 1.4 or whatever HDMI. This is essentially a simulation marget projector which while allowing a higher input adds a prtrait mode and adjustable angle of polarization exiting the projector. That's about it. Home theaters don't sell this and don't have access to it.When the new HDMI standards come out and chips become available then you can think about getting a new input board when and if Sony comres out with one.

If the WOW is about the price, just pretend its a Sim2.
referring to the $50K price
post #264 of 691
The post was more to show that the 4k boards are upgradable.
post #265 of 691
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Originally Posted by space2001 View Post

The post was more to show that the 4k boards are upgradable.

The upgrade will probably be more than just a physical board swap out. I don't know this for a fact, but suppose Sony opted for a video processor that can't handle processing the picture at higher framerates with higher color bit depths, better native chroma subsampling ect. It will either need to be replaced or, if they can make it happen, rework the software to accommodate for those changes. They have that processor in the $50K machine but who knows if it's the same (just tweaked) video processor that is in the 1000ES.
post #266 of 691
Its all on those chips you see what versions you have when you look at the info screen in the service menu. changing a chip or flashing a chip is like filling a car's gas tank. i am sure when the new board is installed new chipsetc will be part of the deal.i
post #267 of 691
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Originally Posted by space2001 View Post

Posted this in the 20+ forum but thought you guys would be interested


Sony VPLGT100 4k projector dual display port input for 4096x2160 resolution at 60 frames per second

http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-projectors/cat-ultrahires/product-VPLGT100/

With support dual Displayport at 10 bit color, This has to be the sickest gaming projector to date...

...assuming lag input isn't too serious of an issue. wink.gif

But on a serious note, it's great they are following up with Displayport. Not too happy to see that the projector costs twice as much as the first model, and it looks similar too.
post #268 of 691
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

I know about what happened and Sony would not endorse a mere jump in resolution because 4K will fail miserably in the market unless 4K significantly is better than 1080p on smaller size steps. They insisted on a higher bit rate and a few other things and there is no agreement. Task forces yada yada last October. Of course its feasable but it will be expensive to design and build while market projections for 4K don't look lso hot for the next couple of years. The Coalition must believe there will be a return on their investment and I don't think they see it. it isn't going to happen.

The problem gentlemen is that we are aging. The kids, say those under 35, do play with duscs. They are computer wiz kids,. everything gets streamed or down loaded. Data capacities and costs with increase and decrease respectively. Hell. One could just sell content on a USB-2 driver or an SD card and read it into a server just like one puts a disc into a cd.dvd, or Bluray machine. No drawer to break, nothing to get scratched. Optical discs are over. Maybe you like them, maybe you want them, but you ain't the market and it ain't going to happen. Can I sell you guys rocking chairs?

Mark,

Going to have to disagree, not with the first paragraph, but with the second. This is all total guesswork and common sense on my part though. You're likely only to see 4K a reality when they lock down the specs that include benefits other than just resolution. That will likely happen and we'll benefit from banding relief. No hardware will be produced until HDMI 1.5 or 2.0 is final. I'm going to predict that the PS4 announcement tomorrow will be for a PS4K player that's not actually sold until Christmas time. It will include the latest HDMI, hopefully with two outputs for video and one for sound like the Oppo.

I understand what you're saying about the under 35 generation and for the most part, that's true. Most of them are storing their content in "the cloud" and getting their inferior mp3 off iTunes and Amazon. They're also using Netflix, Hulu, and Vudu for movies. However, they're also living at home longer, not able to find jobs out of college, in debt, and certainly not able to build a home theater. They not really the market for 4K Projectors and expensive TVs. As you point out, we're old, but it's us old guys that are the initial market for 4K, not them. Eventually, they'll move up economically (maybe, but we could also be headed into a global depression too). And if/when they do, they'll want higher quality. They prefer Vudu over Hulu and BD over DVD, but it's just a matter of economics. People are still renting/watching DVD, so 4K is going to take time. It will replace DVD and co-exist with BD just as BD is starting to thrive over DVD.

CE needs to come out 4K to maintain profits. It's technical progress that they will make happen, even if it's just us old farts that buy it initially. As such, it will come on optical platters because (1) they're cheaper, (2) we're already familiar with them, and (3) need to fit inside a RedBox machine as BD replaces the DVD and 4K replaces BD. It's a technical evolution, not revolution. The pipes to our houses are still too small. And it's that pipe (and money) that keeps the younger folks watching lower quality for now. 4K will be a reality before any larger bandwidth is rolled out. I have FIOS and it still takes time to download HD content.

And anyone that thinks you'll go to a KIOS a get it delivered on a chip which you'll transfer it to a HDD is nuts. It takes time to transfer a large file even over USB3 or eSata. We live in an instant gratification world. No one wants to wait for the file to download to a chip at a KIOS. Folks want to buy it from Amazon and have it shipped to their door. Or pick up the latest release from a Redbox machine in under a minute. They want to pop it into their player and watch it right away, not wait for any transfer delays.

Until the bandwidth infrastructure is in place, 4K will still be delivered the old fashion way, on optical disks. It's cheaper and more readily accessible and acceptable by the masses (who still need to be weened off of DVD).
Edited by stevenjw - 2/19/13 at 4:32pm
post #269 of 691
Well written and you could be right.
post #270 of 691
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Originally Posted by stevenjw View Post

Mark,

Going to have to disagree, not with the first paragraph, but with the second. This is all total guesswork and common sense on my part though. You're likely only to see 4K a reality when they lock down the specs that include benefits other than just resolution. That will likely happen and we'll benefit from banding relief. No hardware will be produced until HDMI 1.5 or 2.0 is final. I'm going to predict that the PS4 announcement tomorrow will be for a PS4K player that's not actually sold until Christmas time. It will include the latest HDMI, hopefully with two outputs for video and one for sound like the Oppo.

I understand what you're saying about the under 35 generation and for the most part, that's true. Most of them are storing their content in "the cloud" and getting their inferior mp3 off iTunes and Amazon. They're also using Netflix, Hulu, and Vudu for movies. However, they're also living at home longer, not able to find jobs out of college, in debt, and certainly not able to build a home theater. They not really the market for 4K Projectors and expensive TVs. As you point out, we're old, but it's us old guys that are the initial market for 4K, not them. Eventually, they'll move up economically (maybe, but we could also be headed into a global depression too). And if/when they do, they'll want higher quality. They prefer Vudu over Hulu and BD over DVD, but it's just a matter of economics. People are still renting/watching DVD, so 4K is going to take time. It will replace DVD and co-exist with BD just as BD is starting to thrive over DVD.

CE needs to come out 4K to maintain profits. It's technical progress that they will make happen, even if it's just us old farts that buy it initially. As such, it will come on optical platters because (1) they're cheaper, (2) we're already familiar with them, and (3) need to fit inside a RedBox machine as BD replaces the DVD and 4K replaces BD. It's a technical evolution, not revolution. The pipes to our houses are still too small. And it's that pipe (and money) that keeps the younger folks watching lower quality for now. 4K will be a reality before any larger bandwidth is rolled out. I have FIOS and it still takes time to download HD content.

And anyone that thinks you'll go to a KIOS a get it delivered on a chip which you'll transfer it to a HDD is nuts. It takes time to transfer a large file even over USB3 or eSata. We live in an instant gratification world. No one wants to wait for the file to download to a chip at a KIOS. Folks want to buy it from Amazon and have it shipped to their door. Or pick up the latest release from a Redbox machine in under a minute. They want to pop it into their player and watch it right away, not wait for any transfer delays.

Until the bandwidth infrastructure is in place, 4K will still be delivered the old fashion way, on optical disks. It's cheaper and more readily accessible and acceptable by the masses (who still need to be weened off of DVD).
I'm want 4k and I'm not old fart. I'm still under 30 LOL
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