Originally Posted by mark haflich
Red could simply seek and obtain a variance if they were serious in bringing a high power laser illuminated projector to market.
You know for sure a lot more about the legal than me. If it is as easy as you say, you should join LIPA as a consultant and tell them how to do this.
But you have to appreciate the difference between the Variance Kodak got from FDA and the situation for all other projector manufacturers.
Kodak made a prototype Laser projector. They never intended to manufacture and sell Laser projectors themselves. When they obtained the Variance for selling the Laser projector, it was for selling/licensing the the design to projector manufacturers that would build and sell them.
In the end IMAX bought the license and Barco is building the projectors for IMAX.
The situation might be very different for a projector manufacturer that build and sell Laser Projectors to Cinemas and Private home theatres.NEC seems to think so.
All this thread in recent posts seems to do is defend Red's complete failure to timely bring out a $10K HT laser projector which it clearly can not do. The economics don't jive. Red is a camera company and a good one. It is not a projector company though it could be one if it wanted to and if it saw a reasonable economic return in doing so.
Whatever is the real reasons RED has put the Crimson Laser projector on the backburner we don't know, but your post here states some reasons of which you don't know the facts.
But I hope you appreciate some posts now and then about some more facts based info to put a little balance to all your aggressive and often provocative post you have made both here and at Reduser.
You repeatedly declare negative statements about what is happening with some Red products of which you know nothing and is wholly created in your head, but you need not accusing others more balanced posts of being just defence posts for Red.
But regulatory and personnel barriers are really not the reasons but of course one can believe whatever Red says. Maybe the flame on the back burner is still lit but you would need some hi tech equipment to detect it.
My post about the regulation of Laser projectors was not directed solely at the Red projector, but was meant to shed some light on one of the possible reasons why all these projector manufacturers that have made Laser projectors years ago, some of them long before Red demoed theirs last year, still don't bring them to market.
Strange why the critics are pointing solely at Red, when Barco, Christie, NEC and Sony all have announced Laser projectors long before Red.
I expect the real reason is technical and economic reasons. The time is simply not now, not until laser costs come down.
I believe it is more than one reason, but these might be two of them.
Red did the entire projection industry and its HT customers a disservice by announcing a 4K HT laser powered projector for under $10K and then delivering nothing. I have long predicted this result but hey forgive them, they had there reasons. Yea. Those reasons were unexpected. What? That's BS.
Jannard is very sorry that he has upset you and been late again. RED… the good, the bad and the ugly.
Where is Sony's Laser module and accompanying projector they announced in March 2010 ?
Seems to be late too.
Do you really love Red so much more than other companies and that's why you are so upset?
Never seen in the years at AVS that you go that hard at a company Mark.
In the end it might be that the real reason for the delay Laser Projectors coming to market because of a Laser Projection Patent Claims by Diane Troyer
which seems to, according to her, cover all sides of Laser projection, spelled out in this rather rambling head-scratching blog.
A lot of interesting info on Laser projection and all Laser projector manufacturers are mentioned an well worth a read for people interested in Laser Projectors, including LIPA and Red, but begs the question; Why hasn't her company build a commercial Laser Projector if she has solved and patented everything?
sorry for the rant but I am tired of Red's bull and the people who believe everything Red says. Not the people, just there willingness to accept any uttering that Red makes.
now they are a small company with limited resources, sure was great they invested in a huge booth at NAB and to put a clean room and assembly line and testing in it. maybe they should have used the money to hire a projection team or more competent code writers. I was really impressed with their ability to build a factory in a clean room in a booth. what a company. a great expenditure of limited resources.
As I tried to explain in a previous post; It doesn't help how many staff Red hire. All the development of color science and compression which is crucial part of the cameras, redray player and projector originate with one man.
He has to develop, create, adjust and secure quality with all these products. All Red's electronic products are based on his inventions. He might have to prioritise which products are most important to finish first, which are obviously the Dragon sensor and the Redray player.
I find myself in the position of ending up being accused of being a Red apologist when all I want to do is to balance out some of the FUD based accusations that has no real basis, with some more factual information, even though I really has quite a lot I could criticise Red for, particularly how they inform their their customers, and Red is still the most open communicative of all the CEMs in the world.
Mark; I appreciate your aggressive posts about Red even if they are full of FUD, and I guess you want to be provocative to try to get some response out of Red. I am afraid that you will fail with that style (hasn't brought you anything yet) and rather make enemies than friends.
Now as for Odemax, which you have repeatedly in many posts declared DOA just because they didn't launch at the time they first announced (no reason to launch without the Redray), is now filling their website with some content. Obviousely a work in progress so you can't navigate everything from one staring point. So here is sveral links that goes to different parts. Try to click around on the links to see all that is there.
Even their Twitter has seen some activity lately; https://twitter.com/ODEMAX
The CRIMSON™ projection system is mentioned several times, so I guess it is like Jannard says that it is not abandoned, like Mark claim.
Originally Posted by Manni01
I like it when Mark sees Red.
.Edited by coolscan - 5/9/13 at 6:20am