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post #661 of 691
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The idea that we will only see the next version of e-shift at Cedia with (possibly) a $12k Sony doesn't seem right

HEY - I'm still waiting for 1500 -2000 lumen LED projectors. rolleyes.gif
post #662 of 691
JVC has new 4K flat panels shipping next month at under $15K. Looks like we might see some FP this year from them. 4 HDMI can accept 2160p60

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1477039/jvc-shipping-84-uhd-flat-panels-under-15k/0_40
post #663 of 691
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Originally Posted by blee0120 View Post

JVC has new 4K flat panels shipping next month at under $15K. Looks like me might see some FP this year from them. 4 HDMI can accept 2160p60

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1477039/jvc-shipping-84-uhd-flat-panels-under-15k/0_40

How does that work? Do you have to buy a converter box that takes the 2160p60 from the source (DisplayPort) and then the box takes it and outputs over 4 HDMI cords to the TV and then it compiles the 4 signals back to the original one? Seems like a single Display port to Display port solution would have been easier.rolleyes.gif My graphics supports 4 simultaneous outputs and could probably do that but without some sort of converter box that seems unfeasible.
post #664 of 691
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Originally Posted by Seegs108 View Post

How does that work? Do you have to buy a converter box that takes the 2160p60 from the source (DisplayPort) and then the box takes it a outputs over 4 HDMI cords to the TV? My graphics supports 4 simultaneous output and could probably do that but without some sort of converter box that seems unfeasible.

Must be some special converter. But hopefully jvc can have something ready CEDIA that is 4k and under $10K
post #665 of 691
Today at InfoComm a rep. from one major DLP manufacturer told me that TI plans to begin sampling consumer class 4K DMD chips (i.e., display chips used in DLP projectors) next year with production quantities in 2015. So if correct it appears the first 4K consumer projectors will arrive in about 2 years.
post #666 of 691
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Today at InfoComm a rep. from one major DLP manufacturer told me that TI plans to begin sampling consumer class 4K DMD chips (i.e., display chips used in DLP projectors) next year with production quantities in 2015. So if correct it appears the first 4K consumer projectors will arrive in about 2 years.

Interesting news. Only time will tell as they say.
post #667 of 691
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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post

Today at InfoComm a rep. from one major DLP manufacturer told me that TI plans to begin sampling consumer class 4K DMD chips (i.e., display chips used in DLP projectors) next year with production quantities in 2015. So if correct it appears the first 4K consumer projectors will arrive in about 2 years.

I'm just curious if you know the size of these DMDs?
post #668 of 691
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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post

Today at InfoComm a rep. from one major DLP manufacturer told me that TI plans to begin sampling consumer class 4K DMD chips (i.e., display chips used in DLP projectors) next year with production quantities in 2015. So if correct it appears the first 4K consumer projectors will arrive in about 2 years.

Sadly that probably means $20k+ in 2015, unless "sampling" means enough production for Sim2/DP/etc, and "production quantities" means BenQ/etc. It would be great if we saw Sim2 class 4k DLP next year with more moderate priced models in 2015.
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Originally Posted by Seegs108 View Post

I'm just curious if you know the size of these DMDs?

IIRC the current DCinema 4K DMDs are 1.38", so my guess would be large, for home, probably in the 0.95" or possibly a bit larger, I'd guess we would not be talking about small ones (0.65") right away.
post #669 of 691
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Originally Posted by space2001 View Post

Sony is working to have a 4k for 10k and may be a bit cheaper.

The laser still may be a bit a away for consumers but Sony is working on it.

And you know this from where?
post #670 of 691
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Originally Posted by blee0120 View Post

Must be some special converter. But hopefully jvc can have something ready CEDIA that is 4k and under $10K

I would love that, but I was told until 4K content exist in sufficient quantity forget it ;(
post #671 of 691
This news headline got me excited

http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/19/redray-4k-projector-now-shipping-uhdtv-not-included/?utm_medium=feed&utm_source=Feed_Classic&utm_campaign=Engadget

And then I read it, whilst the Redray player is shipping still no signs of the projector
post #672 of 691
The people who pre-ordered are receiving their shipments. I thought it was funny that some couldn't use the players due to no device to connect it to. They don't even know if it works! http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?101659-REDRAY-NOW-SHIPPING&p=1219351#post1219351
post #673 of 691
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Originally Posted by raneil View Post

The people who pre-ordered are receiving their shipments. I thought it was funny that some couldn't use the players due to no device to connect it to. They don't even know if it works! http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?101659-REDRAY-NOW-SHIPPING&p=1219351#post1219351


that's funny, their first customer is using a 55" Samsung 1080P TV.
post #674 of 691
The NP-PA602U projector includes the following features:

4K/2K LCD-based technology with 3840x2160 WQXGA native resolution
6000 lumens
HDMI IN/OUT and DisplayPort
3D, DeepColor, LipSync, 10-bit
HDBaseT
Other functions including Geometric Correction, Edge Blending, Advance Color Correction, 3rdSweetvision® (NEC original), AutoSense

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/6/prweb10822908.htm
post #675 of 691
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Originally Posted by yyy484 View Post

The NP-PA602U projector includes the following features:

4K/2K LCD-based technology with 3840x2160 WQXGA native resolution
6000 lumens
HDMI IN/OUT and DisplayPort
3D, DeepColor, LipSync, 10-bit
HDBaseT
Other functions including Geometric Correction, Edge Blending, Advance Color Correction, 3rdSweetvision® (NEC original), AutoSense

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/6/prweb10822908.htm

While the NEC projector is a 4K commercial/business projector, it's possible that the same 4K LCD panels may show up in a future consumer projector, but probably not under the NEC brand name. It would be interesting to learn who the source is for the 4K LCDs used by NEC. Also no price yet on the NEC NP-PA602U (saw the projector at InfoComm but there was very little info except that it had HDBaseT, which seemed to be what they were emphasizing rather than its 4K capability).


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Edited by Ron Jones - 6/22/13 at 6:03pm
post #676 of 691
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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post

While the NEC projector is a 4K commercial/business projector, it's possible that the same 4K LCD panels may show up in a future consumer projector, but probably not under the NEC brand name. It would be interesting to learn who the source is for the 4K LCDs used by NEC. Also no price yet on the NEC NP-PA602U (saw the project at InfoComm but there was very little info except that it had HDBaseT, which seemed to be what they were emphasizing rather than it 4K capability).

thats right .. but it sort of indication were 4k starts to flow in some area and the rest is very close ( i could say 2014 for home theatre showing off at cedia 2013 )
and 2015 could be with affordable price !!
despite the 4k content to be presented before we think about it .. the 4k led or oled tv leading its way this month .. so in the way they got to be 4k content with 4k display were it all start to take over the display market .. the same applied with some laptop or note book .. so they cant miss out the 4k home theatre projector market .. were lamp-free ( led . laser or hybrid ) the next future investment for sure smile.gif
post #677 of 691
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Originally Posted by stanger89 View Post

That's a good bit of wisdom, never put the HT on the side of the house that faces the lake biggrin.gif

My HT is on the back of my house which faces the lake. fortunately it is on the basement walk out floor and there were only two French doors with large glass panes that had to be dealt with. covering the windows on those doors with limo glass black film cut out most of the light and the rest was dealt with black out pull down shades that have never ever been raised since installation. the room above has something like 24 windows facing the lake.
post #678 of 691
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

that's funny, their first customer is using a 55" Samsung 1080P TV.

There is a lot more to that player than serving 4K. It can also load and store and play back lower resolutions.
post #679 of 691
Red is primarily a digital film camera manufacturer and it has legions of fans in the pro movie industry. Red supplies a special codec or whatever to download content shot on Red cameras to the Redray player. Red is known for its proprietary compression vodecs or whatever. The Redray player can only playback stuff loaded onto it with its compression software. Content distributed by Odemax is compressed using Red's codec. 2K content as well as 4K content can be compressed and loaded and can be outputted in 2K or 4K or whatever.
post #680 of 691
If Sony or JVC do bring out a 4K projector this fall, would it be wise to add a displayport to them. So many 4K tvs are using the current hdmi, I just wonder why not use displayport to give 4K 2160p60hz with 10 bits of color.
post #681 of 691
The problem with that being wise, is that it is a consumer projector. Consumers have been brain washed into thinking HDMI for high resolution, high being 1080p. Display port is for video nerds and professionals. What would be wise is for Sony to not deliver the 100 until they can sell it with the new HDMI chips.
post #682 of 691
...and, with that, there is still no assurance HDMI will be the transport method for 4K. Note, the first 4K, 3D, 60Hz projectors are currently shipping and 4K, 3D, 120Hz are expected in a few months.
post #683 of 691
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

The problem with that being wise, is that it is a consumer projector. Consumers have been brain washed into thinking HDMI for high resolution, high being 1080p. Display port is for video nerds and professionals. What would be wise is for Sony to not deliver the 100 until they can sell it with the new HDMI chips.

I'm not saying they should not wait, which they should, but if they are going to bring out a 4K projector with the current hdmi, why not also include a displayport. I think it would help some who don't want to wait and they can get more than what the current hdmi offers. They would have a better selling pitch by saying a converter will be added to keep the projector or tv future proof
post #684 of 691
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Originally Posted by Dennis Erskine View Post

...and, with that, there is still no assurance HDMI will be the transport method for 4K. Note, the first 4K, 3D, 60Hz projectors are currently shipping and 4K, 3D, 120Hz are expected in a few months.

And what are they using for connectivity?
post #685 of 691
What good would DP be except for PC connectivity?
post #686 of 691
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Originally Posted by biliam1982 View Post

What good would DP be except for PC connectivity?

I mentioned it because it can do 2160p60hz with 10 bits of color and when the new standard comes out, I was just thinking a converter or connector to it would work with the new standard. So, people who buy a new 4k projector or TV won't feel left out in a year. It could work, they are selling 4K devices with no 4k material now, so its not that bad of an idea. Of course, the current standard should be on the projector or TV too
post #687 of 691
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Originally Posted by biliam1982 View Post

What good would DP be except for PC connectivity?

Considering it would only be needed for 4K connectivity and 4K devices are in their infancy, now would be the perfect time to adopt a new port/connector standard for 4K media and media devices. DP isn't new by any stretch of the imagination but as far as brand recognition goes it still feels new. If people have to buy a new UHDTV and media player, I don't think they'll complain about spending $20 on a new cable. There are cheap DP to HDMI adapters if you have legacy devices.

Unfortunately I don't think this is going to happen. The HDMI name and whomever is receiving money when someone uses the port of a device isn't going to give up the monopoly it has on consumer devices. They are going to rape HDMI until it gives every last bit bandwidth it can give. If this means that we're stuck with 8bit low bitrate 4K there are going to be many people pissed off.
post #688 of 691

I am a big cinemascope fan.  I use the Panasonic's lens shift and setting save function to create 2.35:1.

It looks great on my 2.40:1 screen.

 

Does any other projector do this?

post #689 of 691

I forgot it also require electronic zoom.  When I bought it no other projector was able to do this.

post #690 of 691
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Originally Posted by jsh5 View Post

I am a big cinemascope fan.  I use the Panasonic's lens shift and setting save function to create 2.35:1.
It looks great on my 2.40:1 screen.

Does any other projector do this?

The JVC projectors also have lens memory with power focus, zoom and lens shift. These are a step up in 2D picture quality as compared to the Panasonic projectors. The DLA-X35 (or similar DLA-RS46) is the least expensive JVC model with lens memory. Also Sharp has a DLP model XV-Z30000 with lens memory.
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