Onkyo 5009 too Bright with Klipsch ! HELP ! - Page 2  

Originally Posted by UNICRON-WMD

That might help but it is hard to say. I think they have a 30 day return policy, it might be worth a try.

Klipsch are inherently bright speakers, but if you feel they are alot brighter then they should be, try exchanging your 5009 for another one.

Do you have any pictures or diagrams of your speaker placement. That could effect the sound and have issues with Audyssey. That is one of the main reasons OldSchoolMetal has issues with Audyssey, very bad speaker placement.

If you bought the Klipsch at a store near you, go in a listen to them with different receivers and see if you can find one that suits your ears better.

Originally Posted by OldSchoolMETAL

My speakers are not badly placed at all. They are placed exactly like they should be except maybe the subwoofer but it sounds awesome when I set it up, not audyssey.

Originally Posted by HomeTheater1010

What about adding an Emotiva amp to make it sound Warmer ?

Originally Posted by UNICRON-WMD

Your center channel is on the floor, your side surrounds are below your head and directly next to you, and you back surrounds are about 6"-12" from your head.

Originally Posted by Mupi


I have used different AVR's and I just dont find that one AVR is brighter than the other.

Originally Posted by HomeTheater1010

What about adding an Emotiva amp to make it sound Warmer ?

Originally Posted by OldSchoolMETAL

UNICRON-WMD, the center channel on the floor is where most configurations show the center channel being even the Denon GUI shows the speaker on the floor.

The back surrounds are a full 3' from the main listening position not 6".

The side surrounds are not below listening height, they are at ear level and often times I have diffused the sound by towing it inward, away from the listening position. However since I favor music, I prefer the direct dispersion pattern opposed to the diffused.

Regardless of where you think the speakers should be, especially in a room as mine that's 15' X 15' and is a living room first, HT second, the Audyssey should not have any problem because the speakers are not setup in any way to cause problem. I know, I have hand calibrated my system with a SPL meter and have gotten great results from 3 receivers without Audyssey. This Audyssey is the only system that degraded the sound very significantly in all areas, tone control (EQ and inccorrect crossovers), surround channel level, sub polarity, and bass output (subwoofer level).

One thing I noticed after the Audyssey is that while I painstakingly took the time in my previous hand calibration, to move the subwoofer in a spot to take away standing waves along with getting the subwoofer to integrate correctly with the speakers as in level and polarity, the Audyssey had this so mucked up, it sounded like a cheap PC speaker system.

I had very very loud, one tone, boomy bass when I moved my head forward about 6" and very weak base when I moved my head backward by a few inches. Bass was very disconnected and was very VERY localized. It was not integrated at all with the main speakers as they sounded like completely separate channels or entities, playing different source material. I have never experienced this at all and was horrified to hear this out of my system.

I quickly re-calibrated the system by hand, put in my subwoofer polarity at 180 degrees out of phase, changed my crossovers to the response I measured them rolling off (slightly above the roll off point to add no holes) and my god, I was back to perfect bass response. I could move my head anywhere and the bass stayed the same, nice tight response, very extended low bass, seemless integration with the main speakers acting as one or bass from the mains and not a separate entity in the room, creating just bass on it's own.


Since my room isn't made out of glass and marble or do I have walls coated in carpet, I was very disappointed in the results. Add on to the fact that many here want me to jump through hoops to help the system offer decent sound, asks the question, WHY?! I have great sound without this Audyssey system. I have lost all trust in this system and think it's loyal following is from a marketing stand point.

The reason I posted this is so HomeTheater1010 does not give up on the receiver as this poor sound quality could all be a result of the Audyssey. Seems the complaints I've read are from owners who had a previous system without Audyssey, that produced excellent sound, changing to an Audyssey system and then have poor sound. Then people stating it's the room, it's your speaker setup, it's the alignment of the moon. If the system has to be catered to, to even produce tolerable sound quality, it's a failed system. The system is suppose to make up for room problems. If everyones rooms were good, then a "ROOM CORRECTION" system wouldn't be needed.

HomeTheater1010,

Just make sure your Audyssey is completely turned off including the Dynamic EQ and the Dynamic Volume and you may be surprised to find the same (or even better) performance than you had with your previous receiver.

I'm just wondering how Yamaha's YPOA system works as well as Pioneers MCACC room correction schemes. They can't be any worse from what I found.

I may rerun another test, but I will never trust that it's more accurate than being disengaged. I've alway been a purist and this is the reason why.

Good luck on your Onkyo receiver. It would be a pity to lose such a great deal if it can be corrected with an 'off selection'.

Originally Posted by Mupi

The Onkyo's do not have the Audyssey Flat like the Denon's. Audyssey Reference (as in Onkyo) rolls off the highs. So it is not surprising that you find it better with Audyssey. Why did your previous Onkyo didnt sound brighter? I dont know :-)

Originally Posted by Audyssey

The Audyssey Reference target curve setting (also called Movie in some products) makes the appropriate correction at high frequencies to alleviate this problem. A slight roll-off is introduced that restores the balance between direct and reflected sound.

The Audyssey Flat setting (also called Music in some products) uses the MultEQ filters in the same way as the Audyssey curve, but it does not apply a high frequency roll-off. This setting is appropriate for very small or highly treated rooms in which the listener is seated quite close to the loudspeakers. It is also recommended for all rooms when the receiver is in THX processing mode. This allows THX re-equalization to operate exactly as it was intended.

Originally Posted by suffolk112000

I disagree.
I think for example Pioneer Elite sounds different than say Yamaha.
Not sure if the OP has thought about it much, but have you given much thought to a Pioneer Elite AVR? I think they have a very warm sound to them. In my opinion, if you are not going separates and you want to tame the brightness of Klipsch, I'd look real hard at the Pioneer line-up.
Klipsch speakers are on the bright side in my opinion. Way back when, when I was demoing speakers, I was looking at Klipsch, NHT, Paradign and Rocket speakers and ended up going with the rockets over the runner up Paradigns. Klipsch were just way too bright at loud volumes for my ears.

Originally Posted by suffolk112000

I disagree.
I think for example Pioneer Elite sounds different than say Yamaha.
Not sure if the OP has thought about it much, but have you given much thought to a Pioneer Elite AVR? I think they have a very warm sound to them. In my opinion, if you are not going separates and you want to tame the brightness of Klipsch, I'd look real hard at the Pioneer line-up.
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Originally Posted by Mupi

Without any DSP/room correction/manual EQ applied, AVR's dont sound significantly different. If they are, they sure are adding coloration to the sound and I would stay away from any AVR or amp that is adding coloration to the sound. There may be subtle differences if one is sensitive enough to detect them but not day-night kind of differences. I have tried Denon, Onkyo, Marantz, Yamaha and I cant recall one being significantly different than the other in the sound quality. There is no point in comparing different AVR's with any DSP applied. They should be compared in the "Pure Direct" model. I guess this has been discussed a lot in many threads. It is just personal preference (subjective) so not worth splitting hair. If someone finds something too bright, it is too bright for him/her :-) There may be many parameters that could make the difference. Simple thing like level mismatch could result in some "perceived" sound quality difference. Unless the OP still has the previous Onkyo, it may not be easy to pin point the cause for the "perceived" brightness.

Originally Posted by lovinthehd

This makes no real sense, no more than assuming that within a "brand" that all models/offerings will sound alike. You think each boardroom at each of these companies has a specific way of making all their gear sound alike ourside of the dsp/dac employed? That sounds like more work than most companies would like to bother with. Is there a secret scientist who applies this magic keeping everything within the brand sounding "warm" or "bright" or whatever? Now, if you like the particular dsp or dac or room correction in one model over another, that makes more sense...

Originally Posted by HomeTheater1010

A lot of good stuff thx all....... But I have said I have kept the Audyssey off and I EQ it myself and if sounds better ..... It's the same setup as with my 875 .... Nothing is different , how do I reset processor is that good to do ? Could it be that much clearer ... That don't make sense but it also sounds like its missing something and yes it's a different Audyssey mic !

Originally Posted by HomeTheater1010

A lot of good stuff thx all....... But I have said I have kept the Audyssey off and I EQ it myself and if sounds better ..... It's the same setup as with my 875 .... Nothing is different , how do I reset processor is that good to do ? Could it be that much clearer ... That don't make sense but it also sounds like its missing something and yes it's a different Audyssey mic !

Originally Posted by runnin'

What's going on is the new Onkyo is probably defective. Exchange it.

Originally Posted by HomeTheater1010

Just hook up the Onkyo 875 just to see and it's not the speakers sounds Amazing as ever .... So could it be Settings or the onkyo 5009 is just that much Brighter than the 875 .... That don't sound right either ... What the F is going on !

Originally Posted by HomeTheater1010

Cause I'm Italian ....lol I get good deals on all my stuff... Who cares I just need help ..lol

Originally Posted by lovinthehd

Okay, the Italian defense okay I'll make assumptions from there...

Now, what about settings on the old avr vs the new when you compare?

Originally Posted by suffolk112000

Well, we WILL DISAGREE then.
If all AVR's have the same tonal quality, then why spend the money on the supposed higher end models?
Why not just go to Best Buy and buy a $300 AVR and call it good?
I do hear a difference between say a Pioneer Elite, than I do a higher end Yamaha.

Originally Posted by turbobuick86

Room reflections/reverb can create or magnify brightness exponentially. Bare hardwood or tile flooring, ceilings, walls, windows, etc.