Originally Posted by UNICRON-WMD
Your center channel is on the floor, your side surrounds are below your head and directly next to you, and you back surrounds are about 6"-12" from your head.
, the center channel on the floor is where most configurations show the center channel being even the Denon GUI shows the speaker on the floor.
The back surrounds are a full 3' from the main listening position not 6".
The side surrounds are not below listening height, they are at ear level and often times I have diffused the sound by towing it inward, away from the listening position. However since I favor music, I prefer the direct dispersion pattern opposed to the diffused.
Regardless of where you think the speakers should be, especially in a room as mine that's 15' X 15' and is a living room first, HT second, the Audyssey should not have any problem because the speakers are not setup in any way to cause problem. I know, I have hand calibrated my system with a SPL meter and have gotten great results from 3 receivers without Audyssey. This Audyssey is the only system that degraded the sound very significantly in all areas, tone control (EQ and inccorrect crossovers), surround channel level, sub polarity, and bass output (subwoofer level).
One thing I noticed after the Audyssey is that while I painstakingly took the time in my previous hand calibration, to move the subwoofer in a spot to take away standing waves along with getting the subwoofer to integrate correctly with the speakers as in level and polarity, the Audyssey had this so mucked up, it sounded like a cheap PC speaker system.
I had very very loud, one tone, boomy bass when I moved my head forward about 6" and very weak base when I moved my head backward by a few inches. Bass was very disconnected and was very VERY localized. It was not integrated at all with the main speakers as they sounded like completely separate channels or entities, playing different source material. I have never experienced this at all and was horrified to hear this out of my system.
I quickly re-calibrated the system by hand, put in my subwoofer polarity at 180 degrees out of phase, changed my crossovers to the response I measured them rolling off (slightly above the roll off point to add no holes) and my god, I was back to perfect bass response. I could move my head anywhere and the bass stayed the same, nice tight response, very extended low bass, seemless integration with the main speakers acting as one or bass from the mains and not a separate entity in the room, creating just bass on it's own.
Since my room isn't made out of glass and marble or do I have walls coated in carpet, I was very disappointed in the results. Add on to the fact that many here want me to jump through hoops to help the system offer decent sound, asks the question, WHY?! I have great sound without this Audyssey system. I have lost all trust in this system and think it's loyal following is from a marketing stand point.
The reason I posted this is so HomeTheater1010 does not give up on the receiver as this poor sound quality could all be a result of the Audyssey. Seems the complaints I've read are from owners who had a previous system without Audyssey, that produced excellent sound, changing to an Audyssey system and then have poor sound. Then people stating it's the room, it's your speaker setup, it's the alignment of the moon. If the system has to be catered to, to even produce tolerable sound quality, it's a failed system. The system is suppose to make up for room problems. If everyones rooms were good, then a "ROOM CORRECTION" system wouldn't be needed.
I'm just wondering how Yamaha's YPOA system works as well as Pioneers MCACC room correction schemes. They can't be any worse from what I found.
I may rerun another test, but I will never trust that it's more accurate than being disengaged. I've alway been a purist and this is the reason why.HomeTheater1010,
Just make sure your Audyssey is completely turned off including the Dynamic EQ and the Dynamic Volume and you may be surprised to find the same (or even better) performance than you had with your previous receiver.
Good luck on your Onkyo receiver. It would be a pity to lose such a great deal if it can be corrected with an 'off selection'.