Originally Posted by R Harkness
Superman is one of my favorite movies, but I have always felt the same way about the Lex Luthor stuff. Though Hackman had his moments of charm, the film tended to stall when setting up all the land/Luthor stuff and it never really worked for me either.
For me the power of Superman is mostly in it's 1st 1/2 - the myth-building portions, pretty up to the point were Luthor shows up.
Exactly... or if you watch the extended version there are more Brando scenes that got cut.
The helicopter scene was about where the movie "ended" in the sense of being interesting to me. Reeve does a great job at the end of expressing sadness at Lois' "death" but everything in the middle kind of loses me.
I also like Hackman in almost everything else I've seen him in... and he could have been a seriously evil Lex Luthor... but they went for camp instead. I wish we could have gotten a more serious Hackman version of Luthor instead of the camp. The casting wasn't wrong, but the script/plot weren't good enough for the actors involved.
Superman 2 still holds up much better for me over the course of the whole movie, though it has its flaws... as does Superman III. You will note I stopped at III
I liked both of the Burton Batman movies... that series should have ended there.
I also like the 1960s Batman series. Not all movies and not all characters have to be serious all the time to make a good movie. There are different ways of doing it to make it work.
I've posted in other forums about Spider-Man... I like Spider-Man more than most... but have to agree Spider-Man 2 was the best film. But I also add that Spider-Man 3 wasn't as bad as some think it was.
Tobey was a little campy... but the Sandman story was actually pretty solid... the Venom story wasn't bad either... The real problem was trying to do both in the same movie!
If you isolate either Sandman or Venom and don't split the plot... either of those actually works as a pretty solid Spider-Man movie...
The Harry Osborn third plot was also good... and could have worked either with Sandman OR with Venom... but having all 3 going really made for a mess in terms of pacing and involving the audience.
A smarter movie would have been Sandman only with the setup at the end for Harry and the Venom plotline. That way we get to see more reasons for Eddie Brock to hate Spider-Man/Parker than just the one thing.
They could have had Spider-Man with the alien costume going bad for a while and the Sandman story... then Sandman actually parallels with Spidey's redemption as Spidey stops himself from hurting Sandman and lets the Sandman plot resolve itself.
The ending then sets up for Harry to go nuts + Venom in the 4th movie... and the redemption of Harry can go there as Spidey has to deal with two villains that he essentially created from his own personal mistakes.
But I digress.
I'm waiting to see the Avengers when the Blu-ray comes out... but haven't heard anything that makes me think I won't be a fan.