Marvel's The Avengers - Page 3

Christopher Reeve was good... but a lot of that Superman movie falls flat except for the Williams score to the movie.

The whole Lex Luthor wants land thing never worked for me... Reeve sold Superman and that + the music made it work... but I would love to have seen Reeve do the role in modern times with the higher production values and better scripts we have seen in some of the other movies.

superman the movie was made before the mtv audience took over.

I know that many people like the batman begins series, they are good. I dont consider them comic book movies. its too serious and also set in the real world. the reason that I like the burton batman movies is that he made a world where batman could live. I also enjoy the first hulk movie, the spiderman movies. I am not even interested in the new one that much either. I did enjoy the avengers for what it was. it was fun, but not dumb. certainly didnt think that I was insulted or lost some IQ points by watching it. unlike the other crap that is out there (transformers). I am surpise on how successful it was. my other movie this year that I am very interested is the hobbit.

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I'm saying that it made the film seem incomplete as its own stand alone entity and characters were lacking and not very well fleshed out. It's a case of too many cooks spoiling the broth, as in too many characters and too many side stories jammed together... and this happened with The X-Men movies as well.

They knowingly do this so you HAVE to plunk down more money to watch all the other Marvel films to have it make sense. And yes, I've seen all the others and I found them completely lacking. The first Iron Man was kind of fun because of Robert Downey Jr.'s tongue in cheek delivery.

So far, Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 2 was the best of the new breed of Marvel "comic book" movies and it had nothing to do with the Avenger films.

I hope The Amazing Spider-Man reboot doesn't fall into the same trap.

I also want to see an epic, well written and well acted film even if it is a summer film... I want the action and special effects to serve the story and not the other way around like today's films.

I want my brain somewhat engaged... and I can't stand it when they pander to the ADD crowd.

I know next to nothing about Black Widow and Hawkeye, but that didn't detract from my enjoyment of the movie at all. What fleshing out does Hulk need? As for Captain America, Iron Man, and Thor, it's not a legitimate complaint to say that ONE movie didn't cover their back stories, any more than an Avengers or Justice League comic needs to flesh out all the back stories of the characters.

If you're not interested in these characters, why did you bother to watch the movie?

Yeah, I also knew next to nothing about Hawkeye and Black Widow going into this movie. I thought the first 20 minutes or so were clunky as they were setting it up and introducing all of them, but then I loved it after that.

I found it remarkable that they managed to work in a character arc for all of the Avengers. This movie actually made me want a Black Widow standalone movie, and that's something I didn't think would be possible after Ironman 2.

Hype!

Superman is one of my favorite movies, but I have always felt the same way about the Lex Luthor stuff. Though Hackman had his moments of charm, the film tended to stall when setting up all the land/Luthor stuff and it never really worked for me either.

For me the power of Superman is mostly in it's 1st 1/2 - the myth-building portions, pretty up to the point were Luthor shows up.

This times infinity.

Exactly... or if you watch the extended version there are more Brando scenes that got cut.

The helicopter scene was about where the movie "ended" in the sense of being interesting to me. Reeve does a great job at the end of expressing sadness at Lois' "death" but everything in the middle kind of loses me.

I also like Hackman in almost everything else I've seen him in... and he could have been a seriously evil Lex Luthor... but they went for camp instead. I wish we could have gotten a more serious Hackman version of Luthor instead of the camp. The casting wasn't wrong, but the script/plot weren't good enough for the actors involved.

Superman 2 still holds up much better for me over the course of the whole movie, though it has its flaws... as does Superman III. You will note I stopped at III

I liked both of the Burton Batman movies... that series should have ended there.

I also like the 1960s Batman series. Not all movies and not all characters have to be serious all the time to make a good movie. There are different ways of doing it to make it work.

I've posted in other forums about Spider-Man... I like Spider-Man more than most... but have to agree Spider-Man 2 was the best film. But I also add that Spider-Man 3 wasn't as bad as some think it was.

Tobey was a little campy... but the Sandman story was actually pretty solid... the Venom story wasn't bad either... The real problem was trying to do both in the same movie!

If you isolate either Sandman or Venom and don't split the plot... either of those actually works as a pretty solid Spider-Man movie...

The Harry Osborn third plot was also good... and could have worked either with Sandman OR with Venom... but having all 3 going really made for a mess in terms of pacing and involving the audience.

A smarter movie would have been Sandman only with the setup at the end for Harry and the Venom plotline. That way we get to see more reasons for Eddie Brock to hate Spider-Man/Parker than just the one thing.

They could have had Spider-Man with the alien costume going bad for a while and the Sandman story... then Sandman actually parallels with Spidey's redemption as Spidey stops himself from hurting Sandman and lets the Sandman plot resolve itself.

The ending then sets up for Harry to go nuts + Venom in the 4th movie... and the redemption of Harry can go there as Spidey has to deal with two villains that he essentially created from his own personal mistakes.

But I digress.

I'm waiting to see the Avengers when the Blu-ray comes out... but haven't heard anything that makes me think I won't be a fan.

Luckily, that's exactly what The Avengers is: an epic well written well acted summer film with action and special effects that serve the story.

I'm sure you will... But please stop torturing yourself and go! go see it now!

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I won't argue with you about the X-Men films - they were all pretty sloppy. I can sort of agree with you about Avengers. You don't HAVE to see the other films to enjoy it, but it does HELP. There were only a few scenes that my dad (68) asked me about, but other than that he followed it well and enjoyed it immensely - he's only seen Iron Man 1. To me, the biggest failing of Avengers is
The film is not without its issues, but for it to be as fun and entertaining as it is under the immense pressure and hype it had to overcome says something about the skills of everyone involved.

Hmm, I wonder if I can get a free Blu-ray for seeing it so many times in the theater?

Other than drinking too much soda and being unable to hold it, you wouldn't know it's 2:30. It's very impressive how snappy the movie feels despite its long runtime. I didn't need my hand held, but I can see how others might think, "who the fsck are these guys?"

I too was going to wait for the BD, but my wife was insistent we see it (we are ancient geeks; she's 62, I'm 60) on the big screen. First time in a theater since Avatar, which taught me to avoid 3D.

Loved the movie. Maybe a trifle too self-aware, a little too much "winking at the camera" (not literally, of course), but IMO a grand slam by Whedon.

I thought Ruffalo's Banner was very different from Norton's, but that his characterization stood up to being in the same room with the other Avengers better than Norton's would have.

What I didn't love: three feet of image being projected onto the matte at the top of the screen because apparently this AMC has decided to projecto all movies onto a 1:2.0 screen. No hint whatsoever of surround sound. A room full of people narrating their own versions of the story.

I guess I should be happy it was in focus and that I could hear the dialog. That puts this show in the top 10% of my theatrical movie experiences of the last decade.

Mrs. Geek didn't notice, and was happy. So I'm happy, and will wait for September to see and hear the movie properly for the first time.

My only criticism is that the Skrull leader that Loki was liaising was a cooler villain than him.

The Shitari Army are Skrulls, that's what they are called in The Ultimates, however their appearance was like the 616 normal. Pointy ears, chins, a love of purple uniforms.

I also hate the Ultimate Universe, but the alien army in the movie looked like Skrulls -in my expert opinion.

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Agreed. It was a very, very difficult task even to pull off Avengers even slightly; yet they did it extremely well. I also like how it reinforced and gave fair time to each character. All in all, the movie felt like a comic book coming to life (phenomenal CG too) - looking forward to the BD.

That's a bummer. I'm a decade less ancient of a geek than you, and also made a rare venture out to see this, (might be first since Avatar, can't remember ). Went to the only 2D screen at our mall, and they somehow loaded up the 3D stream for our theater. Only messed up the previews (which was too bad, wanted to see the Prometheus trailer). They managed the actual movie showing more or less comparably. A change for that theater.

I was also impressed with the use of atmospheric effects like smoke, contrails, and the lighting and shading of said effects. Just saw it for the fourth time today; went with the whole family. At this point, the only CG "uncanny valley" that stands out each time I see it is when Cap makes the first leap from the exterior catwalk to the circuit control panel. It sticks out like a sore thumb. I give the chitauri animations a pass only because they aren't human and I don't know how they should move.

It was cool to learn that Ferrigno voiced Hulk even though Ruffalo did all the mocap.

did not realise this but Avengers comes out here (Australia) on the 29 August 2012.

http://www.ezydvd.com.au/blu-ray/ave...15987/10552965