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post #211 of 247
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Originally Posted by IanD View Post

Hasn't there been Sanctum and Avatar: that's 2? Then there was the Titanic 3D conversion.

But I get your drift: surely re-transfering does not require much input from the Director. Is everyone else involved in Bluray production incompetent at their job that they need to be constantly babysat by the Director?

If any of my films had been released by Universal and they were slated for upcoming Blu-ray release, I'd be like Spielberg and drop everything to make sure they don't screw 'em up.
post #212 of 247
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Originally Posted by IanD View Post

But I get your drift: surely re-transfering does not require much input from the Director. Is everyone else involved in Bluray production incompetent at their job that they need to be constantly babysat by the Director?

Cameron is a notorious micro-manager. He doesn't trust anyone to do anything unless he's standing over their shoulder telling them how to do every step. I once knew a guy who worked on True Lies. He told stories of how Cameron would constantly be up in all the gaffers' faces, telling them where to place each and every light. That's not a task a director should waste his time with. There are several layers of hierarchy between the director and the lighting crew.
post #213 of 247
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

Cameron is a notorious micro-manager. He doesn't trust anyone to do anything unless he's standing over their shoulder telling them how to do every step. I once knew a guy who worked on True Lies. He told stories of how Cameron would constantly be up in all the gaffers' faces, telling them where to place each and every light. That's not a task a director should waste his time with. There are several layers of hierarchy between the director and the lighting crew.
Perhaps micro-managing is what's needed to make great movies?wink.gif
post #214 of 247
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Perhaps micro-managing is what's needed to make great movies?wink.gif

There's no doubt that Cameron gets exactly the results that he wants. The question, however, was why he doesn't just delegate responsibility for remastering these movies to a subordinate and do a simple QC check at the end to sign off on the results. That's not Cameron's style. He needs to be in the mastering suite, overseeing pixel-by-pixel adjustments to every frame.
post #215 of 247
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

The question, however, was why he doesn't just delegate responsibility for remastering these movies to a subordinate and do a simple QC check at the end to sign off on the results.
A reasonable question.

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That's not Cameron's style. He needs to be in the mastering suite, overseeing pixel-by-pixel adjustments to every frame.
I could relate many personal stories analogous to this.
However, rather than go too far off-topic, I will just say the older I get the more I believe if you want something done right, you have to do it yourself.
With that in mind, JC's reluctance to delegate is something I can understand.

Nonetheless, I still find it difficult to believe he can't find the time to get this done.
What about the fans of your movies, Mr. Cameron?
post #216 of 247
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Originally Posted by oink View Post


What about the fans of your movies, Mr. Cameron?

Just like every brand name, company and/or corporation....or cable providers..... they only care about new fans/members/owners cuz.... f**k all yall who have been around supporting them all along. rolleyes.giftongue.gifbiggrin.gif



Dude had PLENTY of time on his hands if can get around to convert Titanic to 3D. rolleyes.gif
post #217 of 247
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

Just like every brand name, company and/or corporation....or cable providers..... they only care about new fans/members/owners cuz.... f**k all yall who have been around supporting them all along. rolleyes.giftongue.gifbiggrin.gif
Is that what is called "twerking."biggrin.gif

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Dude had PLENTY of time on his hands if can get around to convert Titanic to 3D. rolleyes.gif
I know, I know....don't get me started down that road.
I already laid waste to half the county today...wink.gif
post #218 of 247
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

There's no doubt that Cameron gets exactly the results that he wants. The question, however, was why he doesn't just delegate responsibility for remastering these movies to a subordinate and do a simple QC check at the end to sign off on the results. That's not Cameron's style. He needs to be in the mastering suite, overseeing pixel-by-pixel adjustments to every frame.

I think that's just it. These days with the DI process, the encode for the Blu-ray is made soon after the DCP is completed and sent to theaters. Titanic and everything before it were not based on digital intermediates and Blu-ray was not even a glimmer in Cameron's eyes. Film in the theater was still king and DVD was the home video target. Other than his digital 3-D tech demos 10 years ago (Aliens of the Deep and that other one), Avatar is the first real example of Cameron working completely in the digital space from beginning to end. I think that's an important milestone or at least and important distinction. The fact that it's a flawless Blu-ray is really just a byproduct of that "new" workflow.

I imagine for a guy like Cameron, it's hard to go back and do it "the old fashioned way". But like you said, just get the scans (8K!) done and have him spend a week or two in a booth to get his approval and just knock them all out. Ultimately, we're just talking about three films, that's all he has left to do and then he never has to look back again.

True Lies
Terminator 2: Judgment Day
The Abyss

(...and Piranha II: The Spawning!)
post #219 of 247
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

Cameron is a notorious micro-manager. He doesn't trust anyone to do anything unless he's standing over their shoulder telling them how to do every step. I once knew a guy who worked on True Lies. He told stories of how Cameron would constantly be up in all the gaffers' faces, telling them where to place each and every light. That's not a task a director should waste his time with. There are several layers of hierarchy between the director and the lighting crew.
I would like to have seen you tell Stanley Kubrick that...a guy who even brought his own customized lenses to some shoots.

It's all a matter of how you look at it. Garrett Brown (inventor of the Steadicam) was micro-managed the entire time by Kubrick while shooting "The Shining", yet he saw it as one of the best learning experiences he could have ever had. Every take he did was a chance to hone his technique and every nitpick from Stanley was a chance to see mistakes he didn't realize he was making. He went out of his way to accommodate every need that Kubrick had, including designing a wireless video link so Stanley could see his shot without having to walk with him and look over his shoulder. If Kubrick told him exactly what he wanted in the frame, Brown would do it until he got exactly what was supposed to be in the frame. He looked at his job as one where he was determined to give Kubrick exactly what he wanted.

In other words, attitude of the crew member plays a massive role in whether someone is seen as a genius or a micro-manager.

I'm not saying Cameron is on the level of Kubrick, but I can say this: the director wants that light in that spot, I'm putting it there. I might ask why, but only so I'll know when I need to have it there in other setups.

The fact is, there's two ways to go about it: 1) take offense (and maybe even ignore what he asked for and do what you think is right anyway) or 2) be the guy he'll be able to count on when the next project comes down the pike. Number 1 can get you fired. Number 2 keeps you employed and you might actually learn something, especially from a guy who is always on the cutting edge and doing things nobody has done before.
Edited by NetworkTV - 9/12/13 at 12:59am
post #220 of 247
I'm fine with Cameron micromanaging his Blu-ray transfers. At least then you know they turn out EXACTLY how he wants them to. There was quite a bit of controversy over the new color grading with Aliens, but you know it was him that wanted it to look that way. If these later films turn out the same way at least we won't read hundreds of pages here about how we're not quite sure if it is really what he wanted (ala Peter Jackson and FOTR) because how do we know he was really in the room.
post #221 of 247
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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

I'm fine with Cameron micromanaging his Blu-ray transfers. At least then you know they turn out EXACTLY how he wants them to. There was quite a bit of controversy over the new color grading with Aliens, but you know it was him that wanted it to look that way. If these later films turn out the same way at least we won't read hundreds of pages here about how we're not quite sure if it is really what he wanted (ala Peter Jackson and FOTR) because how do we know he was really in the room.

This.
post #222 of 247
Yeah that's great and all if the guy would actually ... umm... do some transfers of his previous films. Ya know? tongue.gif
post #223 of 247
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

I would like to have seen you tell Stanley Kubrick that...a guy who even brought his own customized lenses to some shoots.

It's all a matter of how you look at it. Garrett Brown (inventor of the Steadicam) was micro-managed the entire time by Kubrick while shooting "The Shining", yet he saw it as one of the best learning experiences he could have ever had. Every take he did was a chance to hone his technique and every nitpick from Stanley was a chance to see mistakes he didn't realize he was making. He went out of his way to accommodate every need that Kubrick had, including designing a wireless video link so Stanley could see his shot without having to walk with him and look over his shoulder. If Kubrick told him exactly what he wanted in the frame, Brown would do it until he got exactly what was supposed to be in the frame. He looked at his job as one where he was determined to give Kubrick exactly what he wanted.

In other words, attitude of the crew member plays a massive role in whether someone is seen as a genius or a micro-manager.

I'm not saying Cameron is on the level of Kubrick, but I can say this: the director wants that light in that spot, I'm putting it there. I might ask why, but only so I'll know when I need to have it there in other setups.

The fact is, there's two ways to go about it: 1) take offense (and maybe even ignore what he asked for and do what you think is right anyway) or 2) be the guy he'll be able to count on when the next project comes down the pike. Number 1 can get you fired. Number 2 keeps you employed and you might actually learn something, especially from a guy who is always on the cutting edge and doing things nobody has done before.
Great post...thanx.cool.gif
post #224 of 247
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

Yeah that's great and all if the guy would actually ... umm... do some transfers of his previous films. Ya know? tongue.gif

This. ^

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post #225 of 247
Abyss DVD non-anamorphic
True Lies DVD non-anamorphic
Titanic original DVD non-anamorphic


I don't give much for Camerons ability to make sure his movies get the best releases. At least Michael Bay bitched about the Transformers HDDVD only having Dolby Digital Plus...
post #226 of 247
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Originally Posted by Tompa View Post

Abyss DVD non-anamorphic
True Lies DVD non-anamorphic
Titanic original DVD non-anamorphic


I don't give much for Camerons ability to make sure his movies get the best releases. At least Michael Bay bitched about the Transformers HDDVD only having Dolby Digital Plus...

These were released around the time when he was off working on other scientific pursuits. After Titanic's mega box office success, I think Cameron had been strongly considering leaving the Hollywood system altogether, but Avatar brought him back. He wouldn't exactly be in the mind set to babysit his movies at that time. Plus, he was embroiled in a rather messy legal dispute and divorce with Linda Hamilton. That's how he lost control of his Terminator franchise and watched these popular classics he created devolve into a couple of crappy sequels. Another reason he's so into the Battle Angel idea. It's his way of creating another futuristic killer robot franchise since the Terminator rights wouldn't revert back to him until about 2016.
Edited by Dan Hitchman - 9/13/13 at 3:13pm
post #227 of 247
2016 is pretty close. I can wait that long for a good Terminator movie.
post #228 of 247
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

2016 is pretty close. I can wait that long for a good Terminator movie.

Unfortunately for us Terminator fans, the new owners of the franchise are pushing ahead with a possible complete series reboot with or without Arnold Schwarzenegger's attachment to the project. They want to be sure that Cameron cannot get it back before they go ahead with the reboot because he might shutter it. As is well known, Cameron has made it clear the story ended at T2.

Cameron's writing partner for T2, William Wisher, Jr., had stated he had a brilliant idea to get the series back on track, but it looks like the new producers hired two screenwriters already (and not very good ones from their past work). Weird that they would take this approach since they had produced the Oscar nominated Zero Dark Thirty and seemed to want to put out quality material.

That attitude right there shows that the non-Cameron-involved story will be created to milk the Terminator name and not because they have a great story to tell. It'll probably be all action and special effects with no message or heart at its core; basically empty headed dreck.
Edited by Dan Hitchman - 9/13/13 at 6:36pm
post #229 of 247
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

2016 is pretty close. I can wait that long for a good Terminator movie.
Agreed.

Terminator without JC is NOT Terminator.
I would like to see him being able to control the quality of any sequels/prequels.wink.gif
Edited by oink - 9/15/13 at 10:35pm
post #230 of 247
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Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman View Post

Unfortunately for us Terminator fans, the new owners of the franchise are pushing ahead with a possible complete series reboot with or without Arnold Schwarzenegger's attachment to the project. They want to be sure that Cameron cannot get it back before they go ahead with the reboot because he might shutter it. As is well known, Cameron has made it clear the story ended at T2.

Cameron's writing partner for T2, William Wisher, Jr., had stated he had a brilliant idea to get the series back on track, but it looks like the new producers hired two screenwriters already (and not very good ones from their past work). Weird that they would take this approach since they had produced the Oscar nominated Zero Dark Thirty and seemed to want to put out quality material.

That attitude right there shows that the non-Cameron-involved story will be created to milk the Terminator name and not because they have a great story to tell. It'll probably be all action and special effects with no message or heart at its core; basically empty headed dreck.
Check the writing credits again. One has some serious credits. Laeta Kalogridis
post #231 of 247
Was Cameron's divorce from Linda Hamilton actually the reason he lost the rights to the Terminator franchise (and still won't have it back for another several years)??? If so, could someone please elaborate on this?
post #232 of 247
He never owned the rights. Hemdale did and they have been sold to one company after another since. He gets them back 35 years after the original hit theaters.
post #233 of 247
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Originally Posted by tenthplanet View Post

Check the writing credits again. One has some serious credits. Laeta Kalogridis

What? Shutter Island? That was only so-so. Looks like more of a script doctor looking at her CV. The other writer did Dracula 2000. Wow. What a team. rolleyes.gif
post #234 of 247
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Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman View Post

What? Shutter Island? That was only so-so. Looks like more of a script doctor looking at her CV. The other writer did Dracula 2000. Wow. What a team. rolleyes.gif
She has also worked with Cameron. She may be doing Battle Angel also.
post #235 of 247
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Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman View Post

What? Shutter Island? That was only so-so. Looks like more of a script doctor looking at her CV. The other writer did Dracula 2000. Wow. What a team. rolleyes.gif
Hard to argue.wink.gif

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Originally Posted by tenthplanet View Post

She may be doing Battle Angel also.
Is Battle Angel anything anymore?
I ask because JC is committed to Avatar sequels well out in to the future...confused.gif
post #236 of 247
I think Cameron does a great job with scope/vision, settings, and knows how to work a camera well, but I would rather not see BAA dumbed down as a PG-13 schlockfest. At least this time around, Cameron isn't stealing the idea (Terminator, Dark Angel, Avatar), but the irony is that he's paying for rights that he isn't using. LOL

I'm content with BAA remaining how it is. It's a shame that the anime didn't continue to follow the manga, but it's what the creator wanted.
post #237 of 247
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Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens View Post

He never owned the rights. Hemdale did and they have been sold to one company after another since. He gets them back 35 years after the original hit theaters.


Hemdale
Carolco/C2
The Halcyon Company
Annapurna Pictures
??????
post #238 of 247
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Hard to argue.wink.gif
Is Battle Angel anything anymore?
I ask because JC is committed to Avatar sequels well out in to the future...confused.gif


He'll do BA in the 2020-2030 time frame. He wants it to be easy to achieve the scale and scope he wants with full CGI ala Avatar but much quicker. I think BA will be his last and final cinematic work if he ever gets around to it.
post #239 of 247
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Originally Posted by LexInVA View Post

He'll do BA in the 2020-2030 time frame.
That is a long time out there.frown.gif
post #240 of 247
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

That is a long time out there.frown.gif
Gives you a chance to make any home theater improvements you may want. biggrin.gif
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