After three years of 3D my conclusion is - Page 9

That does sound great on paper and with 20k hours that takes a little hurt out of the price tag... I am assuming silver screen necessary for the passive?

Yes, it needs a special screen for the passive 3D, so my HP screen would have to go into storage. That's why I'd have to see it in person, with lots of test materials, to make sure that things like ghosting and contrast were acceptable. If it couldn't outperform my Epson 6010 in both those areas, it wouldn't be worth it.

Joe- you are correct that Line interleave requires a flip of the left and right polar to work. I never bothered to try and understand why but in Vegas Pro you can set this attribute for Line interleave and save the vegas default veg file so it will always come up flipped on the display when you select Line Interleave. In other software they may do this automatically. In my Power Director, it is automatic and hidden behind the scenes. But as I said in Vegas you need to select that monitor and then set the flip Left and right check box. No need to turn your glasses upside down

I first discovered Line Interleave when I had trouble displaying 3D in Power Director. By accident I tried it and it worked, reported this back to their tech support rep as he was trying to figure out why I couldn't display 3D at that time. With Power Director, the term Line interleave was hidden so the trick I had to discover was to view the Vizio in 2D to watch 3D. Who would have thought? LOL! Later Frank suggested I try it with Vegas Pro too and then I discovered the additional image quality Line Interleave offered over the Vegas T/B or SBS half outputs. It wasn't until I saw Joe Kane's data in November that I really understood why. His work was pretty enlightening and blows all these "full HD passive theorists" out of the water, including Samsung and LG who had to drop their ad campaign after seeing Joe's work.
You are quite correct that the overall image quality of 3D Passive offers many advantages and only if you are an HD resolution purist will you prefer active. ( BTW- Joe Kane is a fan of active because he is a resolution purist as far as personal viewing is concerned.) But he is first to suggest that the LCD/LED at 4K will be the best of all worlds for 3D passive when viewing the current 2K 3D content. When we have Ultra HD 3D content then were back to active again for the best. ( Note when I use the term best of all worlds, it means all things considered including eye comfort and screen size.)

I will replace my 32" editing monitor here when I see 32" 4K passive 3D made available. I might be able to squeeze a 42" in my work station but prefer the 32"

Joe- Are you going to NAB? I expect to see this RED projector at NAB if they are ready. Sometimes they don't permit video but I'll try to shoot some 3D of the screen. Do you know I developed a polar filter for my camera that preserves the 3D of passive monitors? See my you tube channel for examples. The last passive projector system I saw did not have very good contrast at all. I'd bet my old Kloss Novabeam had better contrast.

Hehe. Even when 4K comes out. If theres the option i will still chose active. Because if i pay +£30 for 4K movie, ill want to see the full resolution on my 85in screen. It just makes sense at that image scale :P

Hi, Don,

I'm really looking forward to your NAB report. I doubt you'll see the Red laser in its final form, though, because it looks like they're still at least a few months away from finishing it. I'll be very pleasantly surprised if it's there. I won't be, for sure. My dad has end stage Parkinsons, and I have to be around to take care of him. My parents live across the street (without all the Everybody Loves Raymond melodrama ), but if I weren't close he'd have to be in a home.

Contrast is the one thing I'm most concerned about with the Red laser. I was spoiled by my JVC RS45. It was the best looking 3D I've ever experienced in terms of contrast, but the ghosting was bad when the lamp was new and horrendous when it got a couple of hundred hours on it. I don't expect JVC contrast levels, but I do expect contrast and ghosting performance that's on par with my Epson 6010 projector. It's far from perfect, but it's the best overall compromise I've seen so far. Like I said, though, I'll have to see it for myself. This is one projector I won't buy sight unseen. It should offer full HD 3D in a passive system, though, and even 4k 3D at 60 progressive fps to each eye. There will even be some such content, since the projector has a Redray player built in.

I saw some of the YouTube footage you took of the 3D displays. Very cool stuff!!! I'm also looking forward to the more inexpensive 4k displays for editing. I have to flip up the glasses except when previewing 3D on my LG, or the details of the interface get lost, especially text. But I can't imagine editing without it now that I've seen how easy it makes everything. If Edius has a "flip left/right preview" button, I haven't found it. It should be an easy feature to add. Fortunately, the LG glasses are like feathers. I just don't notice the weight, even upside down. The other nice thing about the LG is that the glasses don't introduce much if any distortion into the image. When I watch my JVC footage on the Epson projector, the active glasses look less clear depending on exactly which area of the lenses I'm looking through. It's not terribly noticeable unless the image a still or a static video shot, but it's there. The LG glasses are much cleaner.

With all your guys talk of flipping glasses over have you tried hacking up a pair of Real3D glasses?

I made a set of dual play glasses for my LG TV by separating the frames, pulling out a lens from each and swapping it into the other in the alternate side. M

Maybe you can do something similar with a set of those glasses and revers where the lenses go? It only took a little trimming and glue and the result is quite good. You wouldn't even know they were messed with unless you looked closely.

That's a good suggestion. I have a couple of pairs of those from movies I saw in the theater. I'm sure it would work. For me, though, those glasses are more like the earlier generation of LG passive glasses (the kind they still use for demos at Best Buy). On my head, they aren't as comfortable right side up as the newer style LGs are upside down. And the newer LGs are a bit more "wrap around," which reduces rear reflections. I imagine for some, though, that it would be a convenient solution to the problem.

You are right about the passive. My TV came with 4 glasses & I bought 8 more for $29. The picture quality makes you smile & say "WOW". So I do not know how it could get better picture. My 3D looks like looking through one of those old "View finders" you use to look at as a kid, but the pictures are moving.

"Better" is a subjective term but I have to ask, how close are you to your display and how big is it?

Because anything less than 13 feet from my 55 inch and I can easily tell how the image could be better... outside 13 feet it gets very hard to tell pretty fast and I would guess somewhere around 16-18 feet I honestly could not spot the lost resolution or scanline artifacts anymore.