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post #61 of 101
A BIG thank you for all the photos of your HT, and further thanks for taking the time away from the HT to answer questions and post additional information.

I will look up AccousticSmart when I am closer to needing the final touches such as seats wink.gif
post #62 of 101
Great room! Your build thread started and ended so fast I didn't even see it until now. I had a question for you and I am also hoping you can post a picture - Did you go with a professional projector viewport or is that finish work done with painted molding? It appears to me that it may be one of the professional projector portals available through Stewart Filmscreen. Would you mind posting a close picture of your projector view port? Thanks and congratulations to you again!!
post #63 of 101
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Originally Posted by TMcG View Post

Great room! Your build thread started and ended so fast I didn't even see it until now. I had a question for you and I am also hoping you can post a picture - Did you go with a professional projector viewport or is that finish work done with painted molding? It appears to me that it may be one of the professional projector portals available through Stewart Filmscreen. Would you mind posting a close picture of your projector view port? Thanks and congratulations to you again!!

Thanks for the kind words. Here's the pics you requested:

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We did not use any kind of prefabricated portal. A hole was cut in the fiberglass panel and the panel was thinned out from the back in the area around the hole to create a recessed pocket in which to place the glass (which would also serve to hold the glass at a slight angle). The fabric was wrapped around to hide the edges of the cut out in the panel.

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Then, some simple wood trim was made and painted to close up the opening inside the wall.

The actual opening is 10" x 6" and the glass we ordered was a 12" x 8" piece of 6 mm thick "water white" projector port glass from opticalcoatings.com.
post #64 of 101
Thank you! It's funny that from a distance it looked like a frame around the opening, but I see it clearly now. And thank you as well for the link to the company that supplies white water crown glass. I have bookmarked the link for a later time when I am ready to order.
post #65 of 101
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Some more Pics and Details for those still following along.

Here's a pic of the basement area directly outside the theater:

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The door on the left is the AV closet which contains my equipment rack and also the Lutron Grafik Eye QS controller.
There are vent openings on the bottom of the door since the closet contains a thermostat controlled bathroom exhaust fan to pull out the warm air.
The door all the way to the right is the entrance to the theater.
The Samsung LCD is hooked up to the Zone 4 HDMI output on my Denon AVR-4520CI so it can watch any of the same sources that feed the projector in the theater. You can watch a different source, or have it mirror what's being shown in the theater for overflow seating (or so you don't have to miss anything when you go to the kitchen or the bathroom- which are also in the basement).

Here's a pic with all the doors open:

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The Oppo Blu-Ray player is housed in the lower cabinet on the left under the LCD so my kids don't have to open the AV closet just to pop in a disc.
The lower cabinet on the right under the LCD is for movie storage. We only really need to keep the 3D Blu-Rays there since all other movies are just loaded onto my NAS for playback on the Dune Smart media player.

Here's a closer pic of the equipment rack:

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To the left of the rack you can see the Grafik Eye, and just behind that is the thermostat control for the exhaust fan.

From top to bottom the rack contains:
  • TRENDnet 450 Mbps Wireless N Access Point TEW-690AP (mounted on top of rack)
  • Panamax 5300 voltage regulator and AC line conditioner
  • TRENDnet 16-Port Gigabit Web Smart Switch (hidden - mounted facing back of rack)
  • Motorola DCT-6412 III cable box DVR
  • DC-300 Dimension Digital Controller for Runco LS-12D projector
  • 3x Stewart Cinemasonic Processors to compensate for AT screen in front of Triad LCRs
  • URC MRF-350 base station for MX-850 and MX-980 remotes (hidden behind Stewart processors)
  • Dune HD Smart D1 media player - Apple TV Gen 3 - Roku 2 XS
  • Denon AVR-4520CI
  • Storage Drawer
  • Panamax 5300 voltage regulator and AC line conditioner
  • 2x Triad RackAmp 600 DSP subwoofer amps
  • Emotiva XPA-3 Amp for LCR's

Funny story about the SnapAV Strong 37U rack. Just after we had put the finishing touches on all the equipment and wiring for the rack (thinking, "Yeah! We're all done!) we went to push the rack back into the closet and... one of the casters EXPLODED! OK, maybe it didn't explode, but it did fail pretty catastrophically. Now we had a leaning rack and no way to move it back into the closet. Luckily I had kept a really heavy duty set of casters that came with a garage refrigerator I had purchased several years ago. We jacked up the rack and drilled some new holes in the bottom to line up with the mounting pattern on the new casters. I ran to the hardware store to get the proper nuts and bolts to attach the new casters. We were back up and rolling in under an hour. Times like this make me glad I'm a bit of a hoarder when it comes to spare parts.

Here's some pics of one of the original casters next to a replacement caster:

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I think it's pretty clear who wins.
Edited by jchasen - 10/14/12 at 7:01am
post #66 of 101
A great project from start to finish. Well done indeed! I hope you are deep into the enjoyment phase.

As you appear to be very detail oriented, I'll just make a minor editorial comment about the Panamax:
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Originally Posted by jchasen View Post

Panamax 5300 voltage regulator and AC line conditioner
It is a line conditioner, but does not provide voltage regulation, at least not based on the specs I found here.

Just a question. You have the Stewart Cinemasonic Processors installed. Were these needed because the Audyssey EQ was not able to automatically compensate for the screen? I can see how they might have been needed w/o Audyssey.

Cheers! smile.gif
post #67 of 101
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Just a question. You have the Stewart Cinemasonic Processors installed. Were these needed because the Audyssey EQ was not able to automatically compensate for the screen? I can see how they might have been needed w/o Audyssey.

It's debatable whether or not the Stewart processors are needed since Audyssey could theoretically achieve the same affect. But, they were included for no charge with the screen, and who really knows what secret sauce they may contain. I suppose I could do some serious testing to determine if there is any audible difference between Audyssey with the Stewart processors and without, but why bother. Maybe one day if I'm really bored. wink.gif
post #68 of 101
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Originally Posted by jchasen View Post

It's debatable whether or not the Stewart processors are needed since Audyssey could theoretically achieve the same affect. But, they were included for no charge with the screen, and who really knows what secret sauce they may contain. I suppose I could do some serious testing to determine if there is any audible difference between Audyssey with the Stewart processors and without, but why bother. Maybe one day if I'm really bored. wink.gif
Understood. Just remember that once the EQs are removed you have to run the whole Audyssey measurement process again. I'm not suggesting that, was just curious.
post #69 of 101
Wow... that 4520 is SUCH A BEAST! How much did it weigh?

I LOVE the way you did the recessing storage doors on the cabinets below the LCD... what size is the LCD?

Subbed btw... I'll be here til you stop posting and maybe even after so I have a visual reference on the ideas I wish to emulate.
Edited by ten8yp - 10/13/12 at 7:22pm
post #70 of 101
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Wow... that 4520 is SUCH A BEAST! How much did it weigh?.

The Denon is no lightweight at 36 lbs 6 oz, but it does weigh less than the Emotiva XPA-3 (57.2 lbs) powering the LCR's and the Pioneer Elite SC-35 (40 lbs 13 oz) that powers my family room setup .
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I LOVE the way you did the recessing storage doors on the cabinets below the LCD... what size is the LCD?

The LCD is a 52" Samsung LNT-5271. That TV was put in in early 2008 when we finished the rest of our basement (with the exception of the home theater area which was set aside until now).

Here are some pics of the rest of the basement:

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post #71 of 101
Very nice project!

I'm sorry if you have already written this, but how do you like the JBL S4S subs? I am considering them as "balancing subs" in my room for the side walls and rear wall. I have 4 JBL S1S-EX behind the screen but they are to big to be placed side and rear frown.gif
post #72 of 101
post #73 of 101



That small wheel is so cute. biggrin.gif
post #74 of 101
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Officially Done!!!

A small package came in the mail from Lutron the other day, and inside was the final piece to complete our theater.

The package contained the custom engraved buttons for the SeeTouch QS Wallstation:

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I know a home theater is never truly completed, but for now, this was the finishing touch.

I've also slightly updated the "completed theater" pics in post #40 if anyone wants to get a look at the whole room.
post #75 of 101
beautiful build. Great inspiration. Thanks for sharing
post #76 of 101
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Photo Flood:

Stuck at home due to impending Hurricane Sandy, I decided to try to improve on my home theater photography skills.

Here are my latest efforts (mixed in with some oldie but goodies to collect all the greatest hits in one post):

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I'm still experimenting and learning with my photography so any critique, tips, or requests are welcomed.
post #77 of 101
When looking up the word "perfection" in the dictionary, your room should pop up :-) Very nice build!
post #78 of 101
For your fabric panels did you put those up and then put trim on top of it? I’m going to be doing something similar and wasn’t sure if I should put the frame between my columns with Velcro or if I should put the panel up and then but molding on top of it to keep it there.
post #79 of 101
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For your fabric panels did you put those up and then put trim on top of it? I’m going to be doing something similar and wasn’t sure if I should put the frame between my columns with Velcro or if I should put the panel up and then but molding on top of it to keep it there.

The columns were put in place and the crown molding was mounted to some wood blocking so the panels could slide up and under the crown molding (the top 1/4" of the panel is behind the crown). The chair rail was put on after the panels to cover the bottom edge and to further hold the panels (which were already well attached to the wall). Check out post #27 for some pics that might help you visualize. Hope this helps.
post #80 of 101
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Originally Posted by JonasHansen View Post

When looking up the word "perfection" in the dictionary, your room should pop up :-) Very nice build!

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Originally Posted by DrEric View Post

beautiful build. Great inspiration. Thanks for sharing

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Nice Work, Very Beautiful.

iMIKE THEATRE BUILD - MY FIRST THEATRE PROJECT


Thanks for all the kind words, although much of the credit needs to go to the guys at AcousticSmart and the AV wizards at Design Installations.

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post #81 of 101
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Originally Posted by JonasHansen View Post

I'm sorry if you have already written this, but how do you like the JBL S4S subs? I am considering them as "balancing subs" in my room for the side walls and rear wall. I have 4 JBL S1S-EX behind the screen but they are to big to be placed side and rear frown.gif

Sorry about the delay in responding, I just noticed that I somehow missed your post.

So far, I'm pretty happy with the S4S subs. They don't provide the earth-rumbling, body-shaking bass that I know a lot of people like, but they do sound very good to my ear and integrate well with the rest of my system. I don't know how much better you could get from a sub that fits in a standard 6" wall. I certainly think they would do great as a supplement your S1S-EXs.
post #82 of 101
I love the colors of your theater, there were a very large source of inspiration for finishing my room. I have some cabinets in my room a very similar color and I was racking my brain on how to tie it into the room.
post #83 of 101
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Originally Posted by jchasen View Post

Photo Flood:
Stuck at home due to impending Hurricane Sandy, I decided to try to improve on my home theater photography skills.
Here are my latest efforts (mixed in with some oldie but goodies to collect all the greatest hits in one post):
DSC_1945.jpg
DSC_1952.jpg
DSC_1979.jpg
DSC_1977.jpg
DSC_1986.jpg
DSC_1924.jpg
DSC_1754.jpg
DSC_1777.jpg
DSC_1776.jpg
DSC_1833.jpg
DSC_1805s.jpg
DSC_1914s.jpg
I'm still experimenting and learning with my photography so any critique, tips, or requests are welcomed.

What lenses are you using for your shots? I picked up a wide angle that I plan on using when mine's done. Love my 24-70L, but it's not practical for this application. Also, are these HDR shots by chance?
post #84 of 101
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What lenses are you using for your shots? I picked up a wide angle that I plan on using when mine's done. Love my 24-70L, but it's not practical for this application. Also, are these HDR shots by chance?

Almost all my photos were taken with a Tokina TO111628PDXN (11-16mm f/2.8 AT-X 116 Pro DX) lens on my Nikon D300. I've been very happy with this lens so far.

None of my shots used HDR or other "trick" photography. I found I got the best results by setting exposure time to 3 seconds, aperture between f/5.6 and f/8 and then playing with my multiple zones of lighting to get the best result. Since my sconces are divided into 3 separate zones, I would set any light source not in the photo to maximum brightness to better light the room, but would adjust down the brightness of any light source visible in the picture so as not to cause blow outs. Initially I wasted a bunch of time trying to get good pics by tweaking camera settings. Then I realized that it was more important to have the room lighting properly balanced to prevent the bright areas from being overexposed and the dark areas from being to dark. After that, I definitely spent more time playing with the room lighting than I did playing with the camera settings. My first impulse was to put all the lights at their maximum brightness to get as much light as possible into the room, but this resulted in the areas around the lights being blown out and there were still a lot of areas around the seats and in the shadows that were underexposed. Dimming the lights significantly and increasing the exposure time evened everything out and got me a much better end result without having to resort to HDR.

Hope this helps. Good luck.
post #85 of 101
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Originally Posted by jchasen View Post

Almost all my photos were taken with a Tokina TO111628PDXN (11-16mm f/2.8 AT-X 116 Pro DX) lens on my Nikon D300. I've been very happy with this lens so far.
None of my shots used HDR or other "trick" photography. I found I got the best results by setting exposure time to 3 seconds, aperture between f/5.6 and f/8 and then playing with my multiple zones of lighting to get the best result. Since my sconces are divided into 3 separate zones, I would set any light source not in the photo to maximum brightness to better light the room, but would adjust down the brightness of any light source visible in the picture so as not to cause blow outs. Initially I wasted a bunch of time trying to get good pics by tweaking camera settings. Then I realized that it was more important to have the room lighting properly balanced to prevent the bright areas from being overexposed and the dark areas from being to dark. After that, I definitely spent more time playing with the room lighting than I did playing with the camera settings. My first impulse was to put all the lights at their maximum brightness to get as much light as possible into the room, but this resulted in the areas around the lights being blown out and there were still a lot of areas around the seats and in the shadows that were underexposed. Dimming the lights significantly and increasing the exposure time evened everything out and got me a much better end result without having to resort to HDR.
Hope this helps. Good luck.

Thanks. Looks like my lens should do the trick. I've got a Tamron 10-24mm that I got specifically for photographing rooms. This current build is a larger open space, but it was damn near impossible to fit my entire room in the last time around because of the enclosed space.

If you have some free time, try the HDR method once just to compare. It's pretty slick when done right.
post #86 of 101
Absolutely awesome basement. Makes me wish I didn't do 2 theater rooms and left a lot more room for all that hanging out area/kitchen! ARGH!!!
post #87 of 101
a very nice room , approx how long was your build ? start to finish ? again a great room im sure you and your family will enjoy it immensely .
post #88 of 101
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Originally Posted by Tama View Post

a very nice room

Thanks!

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approx how long was your build ? start to finish ?
  • a few weeks of sporadic interviews to find the right company to work with
  • about 5 weeks to draft and finalize plans
  • about 2 weeks to make color, finish and trim selections
  • 3 months from start of construction to finished product
post #89 of 101
Very nicely done theater, the space looks so much bigger than the dimensions perhaps due to excellent design and color choice.

I also have a very small space so will probably borrow a lot from your design biggrin.gif
post #90 of 101
Love the basement design. The theater is nice but to me the most impressive part is nice play/living area, kitchen, and theater combined. Great use of the space. I'm sure plenty of time is spent down there.
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