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7.1 vs 5.1 with 2 pairs of surround speakers?

post #1 of 22
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I have a 5.1 BOSE Acoustimass 10, and I want to choose a setup and a receiver.

Help me choose between:

- 7.1 setup: 2 stereo front speakers (FR,FL) + 5.1 BOSE (C+SR,SL+SBR,SBL)

- 5.1 setup: 2 stereo front speakers (FR,FL)+ 5.1 BOSE with front right & front left + surround left & surround right, connected on the surround channel (C+SL,SR,SBL,SBR)

If I choose the first setup, I'll have a classic 7.1 setup; if I'll choose the second setup, I'll have a 5.1 setup, with an extra pair of speakers for surround, in the back...so the surround sound will come from left and back (2 pairs of surround speakers).

It's that ok, or I will lose the surround effect?

Should I go for 7.1, or stay with a complex 5.1?

The receiver would be Denon 1713 for 5.1 setup, or Denon 2113 for 7.1 setup.

Stereo speakers (FR,FL) will be a pair of Klipsch RF-52.

Opinions?
post #2 of 22
IMO I would forget a new receiver and new configuration and if you like your klipsch speakers i would suggest getting rid of the bose and get the correct matching klipsch speakers.
post #3 of 22
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Originally Posted by flickhtguru View Post

IMO I would forget a new receiver and new configuration and if you like your klipsch speakers i would suggest getting rid of the bose and get the correct matching klipsch speakers.

Thanks for the reply, but I love my BOSE.
But for movies only.

That's why I will buy 2 Klipsch ( haven't bought them yet), for music.

You would suggest a 5.1 with 2 pair of surround speakers connected on the same surround channel? This way the surround channel would send the sound from the sides, and back at the same time.

Or I should spend more and get a 7.1 receiver and go for a 7.1 setup?

I am thinking that all the movies that I have are 5.1, not 7.1, so a 7.1 setup would be pointless.
post #4 of 22
PLIIx can take 2.0 and or 5.1 and make it into 7.1. It does a very good job at this. I listen to all movies and tv in 7.1.

If you like your bose that's fine keep them. The only thing I will say is if you like the klipsch step up to the 6.5" woofers and listen to a 7.1 config with RF62s and RC62 and some RS42s and see what you think.

Also if you like klipsch but want something cheaper check these out which I have. BIC Acoustech PL89s, PL28, PL66s. I love them, they will blow any bose speaker away. Like 5 years ago I used to think bose sounded good until I heard some "good" speakers. http://www.acousticsounddesign.com/b...dex.cfm?bid=67
post #5 of 22
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I see that Dolby Pro Logix IIx is supported by Denon 2113. So the best thing would be to go for a 7.1 setup after all, right?

The only problem is that I won't buy the 2 Klipsch speakers right away, so I will have to move the 2 fronts from Bose, to back, when I will get the Klipsch speakers.

Do you think that the BOSE Module, will use the fronts, as surround back? Now the BOSE sattelites enter the BOSE Module (bass unit), and the Module has exits to the receiver (center, front left+right, surround left+right).

If I will put the Klipsch speakers in the receiver, as front left and right, where I will put the BOSE exits, that were used as fronts? I will put them in the surround back channel? Won't the BOSE module see and use them as fronts, but the receiver as surround back?
post #6 of 22
Yes standard 7.1 would be the way to go if that's what you wanna do.

Did you buy the receiver yet??? Some BOSE systems can only be used with BOSE stuff. Are you sure you can buy a seperate receiver?
post #7 of 22
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Originally Posted by flickhtguru View Post

Yes standard 7.1 would be the way to go if that's what you wanna do.

Did you buy the receiver yet??? Some BOSE systems can only be used with BOSE stuff. Are you sure you can buy a seperate receiver?

I haven't bought the receiver yet.
I have an old 5.1 Technics that I use with BOSE Acoustimass system, and I will replace it with a Denon.

Thanks
post #8 of 22
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Originally Posted by kevo82 View Post

I haven't bought the receiver yet.
I have an old 5.1 Technics that I use with BOSE Acoustimass system, and I will replace it with a Denon.

Thanks

Good luck.... Report back with your impressions.
post #9 of 22
mixing speakers of different tonal qalities is not going to be good especially since the BOSE system has a sizeable hole in it's frequency response......

My friend has a BOSE Acustimass system that is about 4 years old and it is paried with a Yamaha RX-V362 and there is a definate localization of the voice to the bass module among other things... This isn't a problem if the bass module is under your TV but it is when it is off center..like his is (to the right of the TV). It litterally sounds like the floor is talking.....
post #10 of 22
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Originally Posted by YeuEmMaiMai View Post

mixing speakers of different tonal qalities is not going to be good especially since the BOSE system has a sizeable hole in it's frequency response......

My friend has a BOSE Acustimass system that is about 4 years old and it is paried with a Yamaha RX-V362 and there is a definate localization of the voice to the bass module among other things... This isn't a problem if the bass module is under your TV but it is when it is off center..like his is (to the right of the TV). It litterally sounds like the floor is talking.....

I will use BOSE just for movies, and for music, I plan to get 2 stereo speakers (Klipsch RF-52).

My first thought was to move the 2 front sattelites from BOSE to surround back, and use the stereo speakers for the front, in a 7.1 system.

But I tried to put the front sattelites in surround back channel, but the BOSE module, still uses them as fronts. I don't want to have 2 pair of fronts (2 Klipsch and 2 Bose sattelites), and just one pair of surround speakers (2 Bose sattelites).

So if the BOSE Acoustimass 10 can't be used in a 7.1 system, what choices do I have, to use a 7.1 receiver like this: for the movies, to use the BOSE 5.1, and for music, just the 2 stereo speakers?

About the receiver, I was sure I will get a Denon, but I won't. For the price that the new 5.1 Denon AVR 1713, I can get a 7.1 receiver like Onkyo TX-NR609, or the new Pioneer VSX-922.

I think I will get the 7.1 Pioneer VSX-922 because I like the iControl av app for iPad and iPhone, as a remote, the AirJam app. Also has AirPlay.

What do you think?
post #11 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by YeuEmMaiMai View Post

mixing speakers of different tonal qalities is not going to be good especially since the BOSE system has a sizeable hole in it's frequency response......

Understatement.

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Originally Posted by kevo82 View Post

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What do you think?

While a little over the top here is what almost all think of Bose.
post #12 of 22
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Originally Posted by William View Post

Understatement.



While a little over the top here is what almost all think of Bose.

What do you think about the receiver, not BOSE...

I know what is the general about BOSE, but there is nothing I can do about that, I allready have them.

I want to know what receiver I should get...

Opinions about the new Pioneer VSX-922?
post #13 of 22
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Anybody has any idea how it's used the "Front Heigh/Wide" channel on a 7.1 receiver?

If I connect 2 Klipsch RF-52 on the Front left-right, and Bose 5.1 on the Front Heigh left-right, Center, Surround left-right...when I will listen surround, I guess I will hear both fronts (Klipsch, and Bose)...

But when I will listen stereo, I will hear only the fronts (Klipsch), or I will also hear fronts heigh (Bose fronts)?

Here is the Pioneer VSX-922 Rear Picture

Don't worry, I haven't bought the Bose system, it was a gift, so it's not an option to sell it. Even if I could sell it, I wouldn't get more than 400$ for it. With 400$, I could get a 5.1 like Boston Acoustics XS, which are muuuch worse than Bose, for movies. I have to admit though, that you have to be crazy to pay 1000$ for 10 cube Bose speakers.

I know it's not the best option to mix Bose with Klipsch speakers, but for movies Bose it's more than OK, and using Klipsch as fronts (and Bose as Center, Surround left-right and Front Heigh left-right), it would sound even better.
For music they are not that good, so I would use only Klipsch.

First I have to get the receiver, and for the moment I am chosing Pioneer 922, that will be released next month. Second, I will get the speakers for music, 2 Klipsch RF-52, and maybe another subwoofer (Pioneer S-51W) and then another center (Klipsch RC-42)
post #14 of 22
Ok if you are set on buying the Klipsch speakers just for music and using the bose just for tv and movies. Just make sure whatever receiver you buy has powered zone 2 speakers. Hook the bose to front L&R, center and surround L&R. Hook the klipsch upto zone 2 L&R. So you can have zone 1 be for tv and movies (bose) zone 2 for music (klipsch). And if you really wanted to for music you could play zone 1&2 simultaniously.
post #15 of 22
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Originally Posted by flickhtguru View Post

Ok if you are set on buying the Klipsch speakers just for music and using the bose just for tv and movies. Just make sure whatever receiver you buy has powered zone 2 speakers. Hook the bose to front L&R, center and surround L&R. Hook the klipsch upto zone 2 L&R. So you can have zone 1 be for tv and movies (bose) zone 2 for music (klipsch). And if you really wanted to for music you could play zone 1&2 simultaniously.

Cool...the receiver has Zone 2/surround back, and also front heigh/front wide for the new type of surround, Audyssey DSX.

I was thinking to set up the 7.1 Audissey DSX, with Klipsch as fronts, and 2 Bose as fronts heigh (3' above the fronts)...but I was wondering if in stereo mode I will hear only the fronts (Klipsch), or also fronts heigh (Bose). In stereo, I would prefer to use the Klipsch fronts only.

It's good that I have the option with zone 2. I have one question in that case: For movies, when I use in zone 1 the Bose system, can I also include the speakers from zone 2, and use 2 pair of fronts (Bose and Klipsch)?
post #16 of 22
If you just ran in stereo with the klipsch as front L&R, yes only the klipsch would play.

Yes you could use both zones 1 and 2... but I don't know why you would want to. Bottom line is matching speakers are the best.

Bose doesn't have a good rep, BUT bose has a very high resale value. You may want to consider selling the bose on ebay or craigslist. And buying 7 new speakers and 1 or 2 good internet direct brand subs.
post #17 of 22
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Originally Posted by flickhtguru View Post


Bose doesn't have a good rep, BUT bose has a very high resale value. You may want to consider selling the bose on ebay or craigslist. And buying 7 new speakers and 1 or 2 good internet direct brand subs.

I have Bose Acoustimass 10 II. I don't think they have good value, even if they are barely used. And what else would be better for movies?
post #18 of 22
Better for movies: Polk monitor series speakers, Klipsch Reference, Synergy, or Icon, BIC America Formula Series, BIC Acoustech Platinum series, Hsu Research Horn bookshelves, PSB speakers, Kef speakers, and the list just keeps on going.....

Basically if you like the way your bose sounds that's great keep them and don't buy anything else. Cuz once you hear good speakers you will wanna replace all your bose speakers and so on. The only thing that matters is you have to be happy with what you have. It doesn't matter what I or anyone else has to say cuz we don't have to listen to them. Sound is subjective to a point so buy what you like.
post #19 of 22
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Originally Posted by flickhtguru View Post

Better for movies: Polk monitor series speakers, Klipsch Reference, Synergy, or Icon, BIC America Formula Series, BIC Acoustech Platinum series, Hsu Research Horn bookshelves, PSB speakers, Kef speakers, and the list just keeps on going.....

Basically if you like the way your bose sounds that's great keep them and don't buy anything else. Cuz once you hear good speakers you will wanna replace all your bose speakers and so on. The only thing that matters is you have to be happy with what you have. It doesn't matter what I or anyone else has to say cuz we don't have to listen to them. Sound is subjective to a point so buy what you like.

Thank you for the help. But all those 5.1 systems that you mentioned, have the same price as a new Bose. If I would sell mine, I couldn't even get 2 speakers.

I would have liked 5.1 Klipsch Reference, or Kef T series, for the movies, but they are not cheap. Bose was a gift, and I don't want to sell them. For the movies they are more that I need.

Before I received the Bose speakers, I wanted to buy Boston Acoustics XS, for a great price. So, I guess that Bose it's a big step forward from what I had planned for movies.

The next step it's to upgrade the receiver, then to get 2 stereo speakers (RF-52), and from there, upgrade to the full 5.1 Klipsch Reference system.

I know that it's a huge difference between Bose and a nice set of speakers, FOR MUSIC...

But for movies, I think that Bose it's more than enough for now.remember that I received them, I didn't bought them.
It's stupid to pay 1000$ for Bose and use them just for movies (because for music they are not good), when Kef T305 it's 1750$...but I didn't.

I will keep posting with opinions of new purchases after I get them.

I will start with Pioneer VSX-922
post #20 of 22
You could buy your new receiver, a sub and klipsch fronts, connect all the Bose speakers to the new receiver and leave out the Bose bass module. This would give you the traditional 7.1 you're looking for (in whatever configuration you wish, front heights, wides, rears). Do a sub crawl to determine where to best locate the sub. Run the audyssey in your new receiver and your basically done. It's best to level match all the speakers with an SPL meter though. Using the Bose for heights is fine, but ideally you should get the center that matches your new fronts for best results with panning effects, etc.
post #21 of 22
Not that I want to pick on Bose, have people here posted their nearfield freq response?
I'm curious their range....
(for the record, I had Bose 1993 - 1999, when I replaced them with Atlantic Technology Sys 350's)
post #22 of 22
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Originally Posted by ambesolman View Post

You could buy your new receiver, a sub and klipsch fronts, connect all the Bose speakers to the new receiver and leave out the Bose bass module. This would give you the traditional 7.1 you're looking for (in whatever configuration you wish, front heights, wides, rears)


i also hoped that I can do this, but I cand't. I've read some bose threads, and thos can't be done without damaging the sattelites. They are specially made for the Bose module. They have a different impedance, and connected straight to the receiver, would damage them.

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It's best to level match all the speakers with an SPL meter though. Using the Bose

I plan to get fronts and center from Klipsch, because the most important in a home theater are the fronts and center.

Thank you for the advice.
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