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post #6331 of 6830
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Originally Posted by eddie_d_lopez View Post

gutted is right. the crew replaced was way better than the replacements. i didn't understand that decision...

it got rid of Mike Madson so as long as that was part of the move, it was a great thing in IMO. If they could have nixed Madson and Owens, it would have been perfect right there.
post #6332 of 6830
fill me in, and forgive me if i haven't read the complete post, but what's up with DIRECTV not having the Digital channel, i have an antenna, so its no big deal but come on!


Forum, please enlighten me, and KXTU does have a digital channel? or what, i'm confused, yes i am new to the area.


thanx in advance
post #6333 of 6830
krdo (parent company) is holding out for payment that directv is not willing to pay. apparently, krdo is demanding more than the other local stations are getting from directv.

i think it's become a negotiation pi$$ing match with personalities colliding.
post #6334 of 6830
http://springstvtalk.freedomblogging...-the-air/2863/

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KRDO/DirecTV HD agreement still up in the air
December 17th, 2009, 8:00 am · 6 Comments · posted by Paul Kavanaugh

It's been over a year since DirecTV sent out a press release announcing that local TV stations are going to be carried in HD by the satellite television provider.

But, as most people know KRDO isn't one of them.

After talking recently with all of the parties, there appears to be no quick answer coming.

The News-Press & Gazette (NPG), parent company of KRDO, is still negotiating with DirecTV about carrying the station in HD.

Some background. When NPG bought KRDO in 2006, it inherited a DirecTV contract that Harry Hoth, the previous owner had negotiated with DirecTV. The contract extends through the end of 2010 and calls for DirecTV to carry KRDO in standard-definition.

The current local management at KRDO in Colorado Springs was not involved in negotiations then or now. I haven't talked to anyone at DirecTV, said Tim Larson, general manager of KRDO. The negotiations are going on at our parent company. he said.

Meanwhile, I asked representatives of DirecTV, in an e-mail, how negotiations were coming along and when they expect some kind of agreement?

We don't discuss details of carriage negotiations, nor do we speculate on when we think we'll reach an agreement, said Vanessa Dunham, coordinator, DirecTV public relations. She also indicated that each carriage negotiation is different and there is no standard time frame.

I asked her if DirecTV plans to continue to charge $10 per month extra to Colorado Springs area customers, while one of the main network affiliates is not being carried in HD?

The HD fee provides our customers access to up to 130 national channels. We do not charge an additional fee for HD local channels - our customers who subscribe to HD and have the correct equipment automatically receive their HD locals, when they are available, Dunham said. That said, it does not make sense to reduce the fee because one local channel is not available in our lineup, she said.

NPG said in a statement, read by Larson, that they apologize for the inconvenience caused by a settlement that is still on-going and they hope an agreement will be reached soon.

So, as people shop for an HD TV this holiday season, one thing is certain. You'll receive KRDO in HD on Comcast, the Dish Network or on some smaller cable systems in southern Colorado.

As for when DirecTV will join the bandwagon? It's still up in the air.
post #6335 of 6830
Ahhh, the joys of living in a small market. KRDO on DirecTV? Fuhgehdubout it. Probably won't ever happen unless the Government steps in. In the scheme of things from DirecTV's perspective, KRDO is a nit. They aren't going to bring in big $$$ for DirecTV so why bother. There are more important fish to fry.
post #6336 of 6830
important to note is that all stations owned by the parent company of krdo are not being carried by directv. the quote above makes it sound like it's about an existing contract previously negotiated by hoth. that's not the whole story.
post #6337 of 6830
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Originally Posted by eddie_d_lopez View Post

important to note is that all stations owned by the parent company of krdo are not being carried by directv. the quote above makes it sound like it's about an existing contract previously negotiated by hoth. that's not the whole story.

Hmmm interesting. Wonder what the real story is. What market sizes are all the other stations are in? Small? Medium? Large? Also, think the parent to KRDO is trying to squeeze DirecTV and they aren't flinching? Curiouser and curiouser.
post #6338 of 6830
when i looked into this about a year ago, NPG controlled only a handful of stations and all in small to midsize markets. el paso is one of them.

when dish reached agreement with all locals recently, that indicated to me that negotiations between NPG and directv may have become personal.
post #6339 of 6830
ok, i will stop whining about KRDO, and i want to whine about KKTV on my DIRECT HD DVR, i get "NO SIGNAL" it worked yesterday

what's up?
yes, i have a VHF antenna

Please advise
post #6340 of 6830
All,
For those on Comcast Cable in Colo Spgs with an interest in KTSC (RMPBS CH 8). There is a discussion thread over on the RMPBS website discussing the problems we are seeing with periodic, brief disruptions in service (i.e. digital noise artifacts like pixelization, freezes, audio dropouts etc.).

In trying to isolate the problem we are also looking for viewer observations who receive their Ch 8 PBS programming from OTA as well as cable companies other than Comcast in Colo Spgs. As for those on Comcast in Colo Spgs we'd like to know what part of town you are in (there might a "local" problem).

So here is what we're looking for:

1. Are you seeing any sort of digital noise/interference on your Ch 8 reception?
2. Can you characterize who often you see it? About every 10-15 min, every 30 min etc.
3. How long does it typically last? A couple of seconds, varies etc.
4. What does it look like? Pixelated frames, frozen frames, brief loss of audio, etc.
5. How do you receive your signal? OTA or Cable - Please specify your cable company and if its in Comcast Colo Spgs, approximate location. This is important even if answer to #1 is No.
6. Do you receive it via Analog service (basic or extended basic service) or digital (HD)?
7. Any other observations or thoughts.

Here is my response:

1. Yes
2. About every 10-15 minutes
3. Varies from a brief burst to a second or more.
4. Pixelated frames, frozen frames, brief loss of audio
5. Comcast Colorado Springs - Briargate area
6. Analog - Extended Basic service
7. Put a spectrum analyzer on my cable outlet and watched for noise spikes but did not see anything. I think the RF carrier is OK, it may be a modulation/digital problem.

Here is the link to the RMPBS thread if you want to follow along or contribute:

http://www.rmpbs.org/panorama/index....TOKEN=14435891

Right now we are on page 29.

Thanks in advance for any observations and assistance.
post #6341 of 6830
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Originally Posted by Satcom15 View Post

All,
For those on Comcast Cable in Colo Spgs with an interest in KTSC (RMPBS CH 8). There is a discussion thread over on the RMPBS website discussing the problems we are seeing with periodic, brief disruptions in service (i.e. digital noise artifacts like pixelization, freezes, audio dropouts etc.).

In trying to isolate the problem we are also looking for viewer observations who receive their Ch 8 PBS programming from OTA as well as cable companies other than Comcast in Colo Spgs. As for those on Comcast in Colo Spgs we'd like to know what part of town you are in (there might a "local" problem).

So here is what we're looking for:

1. Are you seeing any sort of digital noise/interference on your Ch 8 reception?
2. Can you characterize who often you see it? About every 10-15 min, every 30 min etc.
3. How long does it typically last? A couple of seconds, varies etc.
4. What does it look like? Pixelated frames, frozen frames, brief loss of audio, etc.
5. How do you receive your signal? OTA or Cable - Please specify your cable company and if its in Comcast Colo Spgs, approximate location. This is important even if answer to #1 is No.
6. Do you receive it via Analog service (basic or extended basic service) or digital (HD)?
7. Any other observations or thoughts.

Here is my response:

1. Yes
2. About every 10-15 minutes
3. Varies from a brief burst to a second or more.
4. Pixelated frames, frozen frames, brief loss of audio
5. Comcast Colorado Springs - Briargate area
6. Analog - Extended Basic service
7. Put a spectrum analyzer on my cable outlet and watched for noise spikes but did not see anything. I think the RF carrier is OK, it may be a modulation/digital problem.

Here is the link to the RMPBS thread if you want to follow along or contribute:

http://www.rmpbs.org/panorama/index....TOKEN=14435891

Right now we are on page 29.

Thanks in advance for any observations and assistance.

Yes, I get this with RMPBS OTA. I'd say the frequency changes. Sometimes every couple of minutes, others every 5+ minutes. You probably always remember my configuration but in case you don't remember it's an attic mounted antenna pointed directly at Cheyenne Mountain with perfectly line of site (w/ exception of roofing material) using HD HomeRuns as my runer and BeyondTV as my recording engine. I rarely watch live TV so I have never isolated if this was some quirk in the HD HomeRun to BeyondTV, or if it was happening over the air. Sometimes it'll result in a BSOD during playback which is extreme.

Scott
post #6342 of 6830
I have OTA only in Pueblo West (rooftop antennae aimed at Cheyenne Mtn). Have never had any problems with PBS signals. Always record using BeyondTV, occasionally Dish DVR(with OTA feed), no playback issues.

I am not a regular PBS viewer anymore - fed up with crappy programming and virtually all SD.
post #6343 of 6830
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Originally Posted by lsilvest View Post

I have OTA only in Pueblo West (rooftop antennae aimed at Cheyenne Mtn). Have never had any problems with PBS signals. Always record using BeyondTV, occasionally Dish DVR(with OTA feed), no playback issues.

I am not a regular PBS viewer anymore - fed up with crappy programming and virtually all SD.

I've often wondered if all the SD programming they transmit doesn't affect the signal somehow. Its a shame they push all that SD programming at the expense of a good HD signal
post #6344 of 6830
This is a long read but could explain some of the troubles we've been seeing locally.
Broadcasters' woes could spell trouble for free TV

Cheers,
Scott
post #6345 of 6830
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Originally Posted by scottlindner View Post

This is a long read but could explain some of the troubles we've been seeing locally.
Broadcasters' woes could spell trouble for free TV

Cheers,
Scott

There was also this interesting article on CNN:

"Can Steve Jobs unplug cable TV?"

http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune....plug-cable-tv/

My money says that within 2 years (probably less) television (or more appropriately media content and delivery) as we know it will be radically different from what it is today. The bottom line: Break out the checkbook because it will cost more.
Cheers
post #6346 of 6830
Considering the way they drug their feet on the analog cut off so grandma can still watch jeopardy for free, I wouldn't be surprised if Congress blocks this move for at least a decade.

Personally, I am for Free OTA HD, so I hope 'grandma's rights' are preserved.
post #6347 of 6830
I'm wondering if an "earthquake" in media production and distribution is underway. This article was on the CNN website this morning.

Cablevision drops Food, HGTV networks

http://money.cnn.com/2010/01/01/news...ipps/index.htm

Wonder if this will embolden TWC to tell Fox: We will not pay the fee. Could be interesting.
post #6348 of 6830
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Originally Posted by Satcom15 View Post

I'm wondering if an "earthquake" in media production and distribution is underway. This article was on the CNN website this morning.

Cablevision drops Food, HGTV networks

http://money.cnn.com/2010/01/01/news...ipps/index.htm

Wonder if this will embolden TWC to tell Fox: We will not pay the fee. Could be interesting.

I think so. How media is distributed is changing rapidly due to high speed Internet, fast computers in the home, computers & DVRs in our living room, home theaters, high capacity hard drives (multiple TBs on a single PC), and the prevalence of high quality portable media players.

Too bad for my family, we refuse to pay $100+/mo for 25+% commercial laden crap shows to get the 3 stations we want, and too bad for me for spending all of the hard effort to attic mount a nice antenna pointed directly at all of the broadcast antennas that will surely be taken down within a decade.

All of the old rules are changing, and the digital divide is only going to grow.

Scott
post #6349 of 6830
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Originally Posted by scottlindner View Post

I think so. How media is distributed is changing rapidly due to high speed Internet, fast computers in the home, computers & DVRs in our living room, home theaters, high capacity hard drives (multiple TBs on a single PC), and the prevalence of high quality portable media players.

Too bad for my family, we refuse to pay $100+/mo for 25+% commercial laden crap shows to get the 3 stations we want, and too bad for me for spending all of the hard effort to attic mount a nice antenna pointed directly at all of the broadcast antennas that will surely be taken down within a decade.

All of the old rules are changing, and the digital divide is only going to grow.

Scott

Yeah, I agree. A few thoughts:
1. HD content "pulled on demand" by the consumer will require a lot more bandwidth than currently available. It really hinges in FiOS to the house which here in Colo Spgs is probably a long way away. Also, it may require some internal rewiring or growth in short range (within the home) wireless networks.

2. The commercial thing really bugs me. I think you are being generous in your 25% assessment. A friend of mine timed all the commercials on a network show. Of 60 minutes, only 42 were actual content. That works out to 30% commercials. I recall growing up (showing my age here ) 10 minutes was considered extreme. Another annoying thing I see a lot of (it happens on Discovery and History a lot) is constant repetition of things I've already seen. For example, if there is a program on about tsunamis they will show the same images or model simulation 3 or 4 times. Come on. I'm sure there's more material than that. Reusing the same footage or stating the same thing several times in the same program is an insult to the viewer. BTW this seems to be an American thing. Programming from overseas is a lot different (wish we could get the "real" BBC or ITN programming here - I've also seen some really good shows produced in Australia when I was in New Zealand).

3. Hopefully the revolution in media distribution will kill off our cheap, small market mentality affiliates. Yeah, I know you put that antenna up. But talk about bush league. I'd like to see them go. And PBS - Sheesh. Why is that signal so bad on my cable. Gato says he gets the national feed direct from the satellite broadcast with great image quality. Think I may go that route at some point. I get so tired of the digital interference. There was one program on the other night, over 20 minutes was unwatchable because of artifacts. I wish they would dump their SD programs during prime time and devote all the bandwidth to their .1 channel programming too.

Anyway a few thoughts on a holiday morning when I should be doing something more productive. BTW was over at Best Buy the other day, the salesman said their Sony rep told them Sony will be making some major changes in their HD TV product line - possibly announced at CES in the comming week. Since I don't have an HDTV, I'm curious what they will do. More LED TVs? I have to say image quality on most of the LCD/LED TVs I've looked at in the store is impressive (compared to my 13 in analog TV ). Now if we could just get the content part of the equation fixed ...

Cheers

P.S. I pay ~$105/mo for enhanced basic (analog service) and high speed internet. I suspect the analog service will disappear soon with Project Cavalry/World of More analog reclamation efforts. Haven't heard anything about when that will happen here. All I know is digital = more $$$
post #6350 of 6830
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Originally Posted by Satcom15 View Post

BTW was over at Best Buy the other day, the salesman said their Sony rep told them Sony will be making some major changes in their HD TV product line - possibly announced at CES in the comming week. Since I don't have an HDTV, I'm curious what they will do. More LED TVs? I have to say image quality on most of the LCD/LED TVs I've looked at in the store is impressive (compared to my 13 in analog TV ).

Send me a private note to talk about HDTVs. This isn't the forum for it. I have learned a lot about picture quality and HDTVs since purchasing our first. Be careful about comparing images in a TV show room, they are rigged to only show you the strengths and not the weaknesses, and each store may rig them to overemphasize more expensive units (search for the Monster Cable HDMI cable comparison at a Circuit City).

Scott
post #6351 of 6830
Anybody know what's going on with KKTV channel 11.3? They had a crawl saying it was going away but are they going to replace it with anything?
post #6352 of 6830
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Originally Posted by Satcom15 View Post

Yeah, I agree. A few thoughts:
1. HD content "pulled on demand" by the consumer will require a lot more bandwidth than currently available. It really hinges in FiOS to the house which here in Colo Spgs is probably a long way away. Also, it may require some internal rewiring or growth in short range (within the home) wireless networks.(

That's like the railroad vs. freeway analogy. Railroads run on a schedule, you don't get what you want when you want it, but it's more efficient in transporting passengers per capita than cars and the road system. Broadcast will be inherently more efficient delivering mass appeal content. And, you can bet that telecom companies will measure how many megs or gigs are delivered to your home each month.

Broadcasters are in the business of delivering mass appeal data. Just like railroads have always been in the transportation biz. Not the railroad biz. Had rail execs thought that way 50 or 60 years ago, they would have invested in airlines. Some lesser tier broadcasters may evolve into distributors of data, say delivering on-line newspapers, but I think there will always be a role for broadcast if the industry is able to adapt successfully to a new model.
post #6353 of 6830
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Originally Posted by iowegian3 View Post

That's like the railroad vs. freeway analogy. Railroads run on a schedule, you don't get what you want when you want it, but it's more efficient in transporting passengers per capita than cars and the road system. Broadcast will be inherently more efficient delivering mass appeal content. And, you can bet that telecom companies will measure how many megs or gigs are delivered to your home each month.

Broadcasters are in the business of delivering mass appeal data. Just like railroads have always been in the transportation biz. Not the railroad biz. Had rail execs thought that way 50 or 60 years ago, they would have invested in airlines. Some lesser tier broadcasters may evolve into distributors of data, say delivering on-line newspapers, but I think there will always be a role for broadcast if the industry is able to adapt successfully to a new model.

I agree 100%. Broadcast will always be around, though with some sort of evolution likely. However, if we ever did get to a delivery model that places more emphasis on subscriber pull of HD programming instead of provider push the bandwidth demands probably could not be satisfied with the current infrastructure. I think an hours worth of uncompressed HD programming is around 8.5 GB. To move that much data in an hour would require a data rate of around 19 Mbps (not including overhead bits) unless some form of compression is used. So scaling that up, you can see an 860 MHz bandwidth cable (like ours here in Colo Spgs) would not have the capacity to support all those wanting the service as well as the broadcast service unless its broken down to nodes/hubs serving small numbers of subs with fiber to the nodes. Or better, FiOS

As for springsHD=Horrid's question on KKTV. Gosh, wouldn't it be nice to give that freed up bandwidth back to the 11.1 and 11.2 channels?

Cheers
post #6354 of 6830
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Originally Posted by Satcom15 View Post

Yeah, I agree. A few thoughts:
1. HD content "pulled on demand" by the consumer will require a lot more bandwidth than currently available.

I thought SDV would fix this and once implemented, would give the HD content advantage to cable.
post #6355 of 6830
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Originally Posted by HateNewNHL View Post

I thought SDV would fix this and once implemented, would give the HD content advantage to cable.

Maybe. Like you said, when (if) its implemented. It hinges on subscribers having equipment that can talk back to the hub. And, I'm not sure if there is any sort of standard used across all consumer and cable company equipment. Anyone know how Switched Digital Video (SDV) implementation is going?
post #6356 of 6830
http://www.krdo.com/Global/story.asp?S=11778899

KRDO is pleased to announce we have come to an agreement with DirecTV for them to carry KRDO's high definition signal. Thursday morning at 4am KRDO will be added to DirecTV's HD tier. That means football fans on DirecTV will be able to watch the National Championship game in HD on Thursday evening.

"I'd like to thank all of our DirecTV viewers for their patience in resolving this situation and we sincerely hope you enjoy seeing all of the KRDO newscasts in HD along with all the great ABC programming", says KRDO General Manager Tim Larson.

DirecTV will begin airing KRDO in high definition early Thursday morning.
post #6357 of 6830
i wonder which side budged? NPG had more to lose by not being in the lineup and i'd have to think they decided to be reasonable in negotiations.

no matter, it will be nice to have them in my favorites list now.
post #6358 of 6830
So I can tune to channel 13 in HD, but it doesn't show up in the guide.
(The analog 13 is gone now too - not that I want that to show up.)
Is there something we have to do to get the new channel to show up in the guide?
post #6359 of 6830
it shows in my guide, so not sure what your issue might be.
post #6360 of 6830
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Originally Posted by radckh View Post

So I can tune to channel 13 in HD, but it doesn't show up in the guide.
(The analog 13 is gone now too - not that I want that to show up.)
Is there something we have to do to get the new channel to show up in the guide?

If you're using a "Favorites" list, you must edit the list to include the new channel.
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