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post #1051 of 1548
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Originally Posted by iballin88 View Post

ahhh ok I think i get what your saying.. sorry i lack knowledge in this stuff but learning , so what you mean is say my default values are abit different then anikuns, are picture is still the exact same at default, thus why using number of clicks is better because of the difference in our defaults(which match picture) to make the picture match in our end values because are values started out different ? basically closes the gap

Hmmm

Well, it seems someone else did the clicking method for anikun, so I'm not so sure. If that's the case he probably just matched anikun's settings. I'm no expert, but to my knowledge the SM values are not the same for every set, so setting someone else's values aren't going to give you the same picture. However, I figured that the number of clicks would have been more accurate, but that's only if anikun was the one doing them. I guess you should just try to plug in the values and see what you get.
post #1052 of 1548
Kind of confused about SD and HD, I was just going to run a blu-ray and change the values, so it does it in HD, what do you mean by doing sd and hd the same? should i immediately switch to a SD disc afterwards to change those values to the same? im confused lol sorry, cause if I have my SD defaults written down then wont I be ok either way ? I did plan on matching SD and HD, so should I pop in a Dvd after I do HD values and just do the same thing I did with HD
post #1053 of 1548
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Originally Posted by iballin88 View Post

Kind of confused about SD and HD, I was just going to run a blu-ray and change the values, so it does it in HD, what do you mean by doing sd and hd the same? should i immediately switch to a SD disc afterwards to change those values to the same? im confused lol sorry, cause if I have my SD defaults written down then wont I be ok either way ? I did plan on matching SD and HD, so should I pop in a Dvd after I do HD values and just do the same thing I did with HD

I suppose you want to change the values for HD and SD then. Just write them down beforehand, but they should be identical. I'm not sure what you mean about a blu-ray or a DVD, you're changing the settings in the SM, it won't matter what you do with any disc, etc.
post #1054 of 1548
Ok the difference between SD and HD in SM is not a menu select right? its just whatever content im playing at the time so if I have HD content going itll show my HD values , then when I have SD playing itll switch over to SD values?


oh didnt read your post sorry, ahh I thought I read somewhere that you have to be playing HD content to change HD values , I didnt know there was a menu in the SM for HD or SD someone posted it had to do with whatever content is up
post #1055 of 1548
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Originally Posted by iballin88 View Post

Ok the difference between SD and HD in SM is not a menu select right? its just whatever content im playing at the time so if I have HD content going itll show my HD values , then when I have SD playing itll switch over to SD values?


oh didnt read your post sorry, ahh I thought I read somewhere that you have to be playing HD content to change HD values , I didnt know there was a menu in the SM for HD or SD someone posted it had to do with whatever content is up

Yep, from what I have seen there should be separate HD and SD values in the SM.
post #1056 of 1548
My defaults are R-CUT 80 , G-CUT 80, B-CUT 80 , R-DRV F-4, G-DRV FF , B-DRV 87, ALL-CUT80, ALL-DRV FF ... find it wierd my R-DRV wasent FF like others?? I didnt possibly mis read my defaults I hope lol.. has anyone else ever had these defaults?
post #1057 of 1548
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Originally Posted by iballin88 View Post

My defaults are R-CUT 80 , G-CUT 80, B-CUT 80 , R-DRV F-4, G-DRV FF , B-DRV 87, ALL-CUT80, ALL-DRV FF ... find it wierd my R-DRV wasent FF like others?? I didnt possibly mis read my defaults I hope lol.. has anyone else ever had these defaults?

Did you put his setings in? Just do it already. biggrin.gif
post #1058 of 1548
Lol got lucky thought I wrote my defaults down wrong... before I changed them.. luckly I never changed my SD defaults.. which are the exact same defaults as what you started with for HD too, and I was fine I didn't end up writing them down wrong.. in all honesty I thnk im waiting till I get a color meter and jump threw the proper hoops Anikun and others have suggested earlier in the forum,, you just cant know based off clicking your values the same amount of clicks as someone else... every sets different, I did exactly the same amount of clicks as others and I wasen't satisfied by the PQ , I was actually happier with my defaults =/ ...The Dark Knight Rises was overly dark in areas, the scene where I said I Am Legends was greenish tint was over the top redish tint more so then the green, I think people who say you need a meter are right.. you do..
Edited by iballin88 - 3/13/13 at 3:43pm
post #1059 of 1548
The i1 Display Pro is a very nice meter for the price, that's what I use. You can use HCFR for free to calibrate. HCFR is a little tricky to learn, so is any calibration software, but if you read the tutorials on it you should get a decent calibration.
post #1060 of 1548
If the UT series I'd close to the St series what separates it from the gt and vt series?
post #1061 of 1548
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Originally Posted by anikun07 View Post

The i1 Display Pro is a very nice meter for the price, that's what I use. You can use HCFR for free to calibrate. HCFR is a little tricky to learn, so is any calibration software, but if you read the tutorials on it you should get a decent calibration.
Thanks Dude:D
post #1062 of 1548
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Originally Posted by iballin88 View Post

Ok the difference between SD and HD in SM is not a menu select right? its just whatever content im playing at the time so if I have HD content going itll show my HD values , then when I have SD playing itll switch over to SD values?

oh didnt read your post sorry, ahh I thought I read somewhere that you have to be playing HD content to change HD values , I didnt know there was a menu in the SM for HD or SD someone posted it had to do with whatever content is up

My guess is this is based on the input resolution. HD signal is 720p, 1080i, 1080p versus SD in 480i, 480p.

The scaler in the UT is pretty average. I compared it to an Oppo 93 and HTPC w/software scaling via XBMC/OpenELEC using some 480p/720p material. The Oppo by far has the best scaling of the three. The HTPC had a lot of variables (upscaling algo, post-processing, etc) that can be adjusted and at it's most optimal, was slightly better than the UT50. I have another HTPC with an NVidia card that I didn't try.

If you have any Blu-ray player with decent video scaling and processing, just set it to output 1080p all the time and bypass the UT50's scaler. If the source material is 1080i or 1080p, the scaler in the UT50 is obviously not used. And it doesn't matter as much for cable/satellite sources since bandwidth limitations usually mean poor quality, overly compressed streams anyway.
post #1063 of 1548
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Originally Posted by Rice Rocket View Post

My guess is this is based on the input resolution. HD signal is 720p, 1080i, 1080p versus SD in 480i, 480p.

The scaler in the UT is pretty average. I compared it to an Oppo 93 and HTPC w/software scaling via XBMC/OpenELEC using some 480p/720p material. The Oppo by far has the best scaling of the three. The HTPC had a lot of variables (upscaling algo, post-processing, etc) that can be adjusted and at it's most optimal, was slightly better than the UT50. I have another HTPC with an NVidia card that I didn't try.

If you have any Blu-ray player with decent video scaling and processing, just set it to output 1080p all the time and bypass the UT50's scaler. If the source material is 1080i or 1080p, the scaler in the UT50 is obviously not used. And it doesn't matter as much for cable/satellite sources since bandwidth limitations usually mean poor quality, overly compressed streams anyway.
Oh I was talking about the service menu settings lol, think ya got the wrong idea, im glad I didn't change my SD white balance settings, because it gave me my defaults I thought I wrote down wrong for my HD RGB white balance settings, but I see what your talking about still informative
post #1064 of 1548
When I turn off Viera Link my AVR won't support TV input sound as when it's turned on, I wanna pull the trigger on a Harmony and I know you should have Viera Link turned off, but I also like surround sound for Netflix which I use the app on the tv, does anyone know what I can do here to still be able to use my AVR for my TVs Netflix without using Viera Link?
post #1065 of 1548
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Originally Posted by iballin88 View Post

When I turn off Viera Link my AVR won't support TV input sound as when it's turned on, I wanna pull the trigger on a Harmony and I know you should have Viera Link turned off, but I also like surround sound for Netflix which I use the app on the tv, does anyone know what I can do here to still be able to use my AVR for my TVs Netflix without using Viera Link?

So you are using ARC?
post #1066 of 1548
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Originally Posted by anikun07 View Post

3:2 pulldown is what converts 24 fps to 60 fps, or Hz. I think HDMI graphic is really meant for PC input and was praised because it was said to leave the source unaltered but off, I think, has no bias of input signal. Also, many settings in he service menu are unknowns to most of us so if something get changed on accident, well what was the default? We don't know. Many of us don't want to be blamed for someone else's mistake so we leave it a mystery or give links on the topic.
What is better for gaming on ps3 RGB set to full range or limited? I have the TC50Pu54 and TC60Pu54 I just want what looks the best a lot of people say RGB full Range is just for hooking the tv up to a computer? What do you think?
post #1067 of 1548
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Originally Posted by Tk111 View Post

What is better for gaming on ps3 RGB set to full range or limited? I have the TC50Pu54 and TC60Pu54 I just want what looks the best a lot of people say RGB full Range is just for hooking the tv up to a computer? What do you think?

I think I have tried to explain this a few times now... biggrin.gif

It doesn't matter at all which setting you use, they will both look virtually identical. The only thing that matters is that you set your TV to display them properly. In your HDMI settings either use Auto/Standard (16-235) for limited or use non-standard (0-255) for full range. Don't forget that you have to adjust the settings of your TV based on either standard or non-standard. It makes more sense to just use limited (IMO), since your TV settings will already be calibrated for Auto/Standard.
post #1068 of 1548
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Originally Posted by Kris Weatherbee View Post

So you are using ARC?
Yeah Im using ARC HDMI2.. and when Viera Link in set-up is off, I cant hear the TVs sound anymore , like Netflix on the UT apps, but when Viera Link is on it works... kinda strange considering it should work either way since im connected regardless.. everything else works even if Viera Links off, like BDP , SAT/CAB, GAME, all work on the AVR but TV doesnt
post #1069 of 1548
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Originally Posted by JSpectre88 View Post

I think I have tried to explain this a few times now... biggrin.gif

It doesn't matter at all which setting you use, they will both look virtually identical. The only thing that matters is that you set your TV to display them properly. In your HDMI settings either use Auto/Standard (16-235) for limited or use non-standard (0-255) for full range. Don't forget that you have to adjust the settings of your TV based on either standard or non-standard. It makes more sense to just use limited (IMO), since your TV settings will already be calibrated for Auto/Standard.
Thank you for getting back so quickly, RGB for some reason looks to have more color doesn't RGB full give deeper blacks and whiter whites and deeper color? I didn't have change any setting on my tv other that put it on nonstandard?
post #1070 of 1548
Yeah, it requires the HDMI-CEC to be enabled. Maybe it's part of the ARC protocol.
post #1071 of 1548
Yeah , so im just going to go with the optical cable you suggested, 1 thing I wanted to ask ya Ani. was if using a BDP instead of the UT for Netflix app, is it possible to get higher quality sound or would it all be the same? I just don't want to hook up a optical if im losing anything, but ive ordered the Dongle for my Tv, so I wanna stick with UT/Netflix app if possible, but ill also grab a BDP with WIFI on amazon.ca tonight if it means its at all better, since its running through HDMI, instead of Optical, still trying to decide whether or not the Harmony 1100 is overkill, but I have a high end A/C and stuff like that in the living room I lost the remote for, and other things, so I definitely wanna scoop up the Harmony, the 1100 looks pimp-juice 4s show! lmao;) but the 650 is nice and sleek modes to
post #1072 of 1548
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Originally Posted by Tk111 View Post

Thank you for getting back so quickly, RGB for some reason looks to have more color doesn't RGB full give deeper blacks and whiter whites and deeper color? I didn't have change any setting on my tv other that put it on nonstandard?

Deeper blacks and whiter whites? I don't think you're understanding the concept. Standard uses 16-235, but you don't compare that directly to the RGB scale. In standard, 16 is pure black, while 235 is pure white, compared to RGB using 0 for pure black and 255 for pure white. Use either setting, they will look exactly the same. You're right, you don't have to change any of your TV settings. You only have to put the TV in non-standard and use full RGB, and likewise, you only have to use Auto/Standard and use limited. You should just use limited if you watch blu-ray's on your PS3 though, they use Rec. 709 (16-235).

This article may help.
Edited by JSpectre88 - 3/15/13 at 5:14pm
post #1073 of 1548
Now
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Originally Posted by JSpectre88 View Post

Deeper blacks and whiter whites? I don't think you're understanding the concept. Standard uses 16-235, but you don't compare that directly to the RGB scale. In standard, 16 is pure black, while 235 is pure white, compared to RGB using 0 for pure black and 255 for pure white. Use either setting, they will look exactly the same. You're right, you don't have to change any of your TV settings. You only have to put the TV in non-standard and use full RGB, and likewise, you only have to use Auto/Standard and use limited. You should just use limited if you watch blu-ray's on your PS3 though, they use Rec. 709 (16-235).

This article may help.
now I understand, I do put it on limited when watching blue ray
post #1074 of 1548
Awe
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Originally Posted by Tk111 View Post

Now
now I understand, I do put it on limited when watching blue ray
awesome article so if your tv supports both you should be using full RGB when gaming other wise setting it to limited the ps3 has to compress it to 16-235 but watching BD it should be set to limited, thanks Anikun, my 60u54 just hit the 150 hour mark and I would like to know how to calibrate from service menu, I heard Geek Squad is horrible.
post #1075 of 1548
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Originally Posted by Tk111 View Post

Awe
awesome article so if your tv supports both you should be using full RGB when gaming other wise setting it to limited the ps3 has to compress it to 16-235 but watching BD it should be set to limited, thanks Anikun, my 60u54 just hit the 150 hour mark and I would like to know how to calibrate from service menu, I heard Geek Squad is horrible.
thank you JSp
post #1076 of 1548
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Originally Posted by Tk111 View Post

Awe
awesome article so if your tv supports both you should be using full RGB when gaming other wise setting it to limited the ps3 has to compress it to 16-235 but watching BD it should be set to limited, thanks Anikun, my 60u54 just hit the 150 hour mark and I would like to know how to calibrate from service menu, I heard Geek Squad is horrible.


Yeah that's fine, the extra effort just isn't necessary. But hey, use whatever you think looks best. smile.gif
post #1077 of 1548
The article said to use RGB full if the tv supports it it said something about ps3 automatically puts out 0-255 for a smoother look and when set to limited it has to compress it, I like both.
post #1078 of 1548
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Originally Posted by Tk111 View Post

The article said to use RGB full if the tv supports it it said something about ps3 automatically puts out 0-255 for a smoother look and when set to limited it has to compress it, I like both.

I think it's sort of a, "if you have it, might as well use it" kind of scenario. I got the impression he only hinted that it "may" look smoother, it's certainly not any worse than limited, but yet you probably couldn't pick them apart if they were side by side. Even though it's compressed you still lose virtually nothing in the transfer. Again, it doesn't matter what you choose, but RGB won't have a distinct advantage in PQ.
post #1079 of 1548
Have you calibrated yours in the service menu yet? Any real advantages?
post #1080 of 1548
Using the AVS 709 disc to level my brightness properly dramatically helped hide vertical banding by @ least 50%... no joke...im talking 4 points difference to hide 16 and show 17 i think it is ? big time helped hide it:) big ups to Anikun for recommending me the disc =) I know people seem to say theres no fix to banding.. but you can reduce it by adjusting settings... brightness at 48 showed it way worse then 52 not exactly sure why.. but it did..and im picky and like to complain about things.. lol..so you know im telling the truth when..
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