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post #511 of 1303
1/4/13 at 2:26am
Auto might mean the scroller is reliant on another setting or variable to be engaged. I would try various settings and refer to a test pattern with overscan lines. Also, have you read the manual and the FAQ on Panasonic's European website? You could also try contacting them directly.
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post #512 of 1303
1/4/13 at 4:58am
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Originally Posted by pennywise666 View Post

the european model..
Oubadah also doesnt have the OFF option i read.

Yes, I have the NZ model which is very similar to the EU model.

Just leave it at Auto. I can tell you the orbiter definitely isn't active when set to Auto with Overscan: Off.
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post #513 of 1303
1/4/13 at 7:40am
ok thats good to know then.
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post #514 of 1303
1/4/13 at 10:28am
Hey guys,

I have an Australian tv, the full name is TH-P60UT50A. Just thought I'd share some of the differences in the settings menu. There are quite a lot & even most of the names for picture adjustments are named differently. On the whole, it looks like I miss out on a fair few adjustment options.

Firstly my viewing modes are dynamic, normal, cinema & true cinema. No custom.

If i have all levels of contrast, brightness, colour, sharpness at the centre default (neutral) position, the values are 50, 50, 0, 50. If I maxed everything, brightness would be at 50 with the other three at 100.

The three colour balance options are warm, normal or cool.

Then vivid colour (on/off), eco mode, P-NR (off, min, mid, max, auto), 3D settings (no picture related settings) & thats pretty much it in the Picture menu.

In the advanced settings however there is 6 sliders for RGB gain & cutoff. Pretty sure this is only available in the service menu of the NA model. Although I think there are more adjustment options in the SM. Then there's a Gamma section which has 6 options of: S curve & 5 values ranging from 1.8 to 2.6. Being very much a novice, I'd rather leave all these sort of adjustments to an expert & have some of the more basic picture settings instead.

It's a pity i cant really utilize alot of the excellent information here, being that alot of options are either missing or renamed. Pretty sure thats how other people outside NA feel. I wonder how many other variants are out there, probably different again. The Australian model suffix is an A & the New Zealand is Z, so Im guessing it's not even regional, every single country has its own variant.
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post #515 of 1303
1/4/13 at 11:55am
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Originally Posted by PocketRadzys View Post

Hey guys,
I have an Australian tv...

yeah,mine,the european version is exactly the same.
and according to Anukin you have to put gamma on 2.2 in cinema mode,then you get the best picture ,closest to D65,if you dont get it calibrating professionally.
i have my colours set at 30,yours at 50?? thats to much!
(or do your slides go from 0 to 100?? mine goes from 0 to 60 only)
what the hell where they thinking??
only reason i can think of is that panasonic wants to irritate people with all the differences in models menu's (and SM?)on every continent pfff.
and here are the white balance settings i simply put in the menu,its from the avsforums UK version review,that result is quite nice quite nice:
http://www.avforums.com/reviews/includes/displayimage.php?imageparameters=reviews/314/menu2.jpg
but there is another WB settings to be find here on this site:
3,-18,-26,-20.0,25
and i believe there's another one 2 pages back orso?
and we can just put these settings in our menu,instead of going into the Service Menu.
i cant believe that European ppl haven't callibrated this tv yet and put there settings on the UK avforums or ANY other forum on the internet for us,just like a few great guys like Anukin and pathofneo do for the US version!!
is there no way(you can help us with perhaps;) to convert the US version menu/SM settings to the EU settings,Neo,Anukin?
Edited by pennywise666 - 1/4/13 at 12:16pm
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post #516 of 1303
1/4/13 at 2:32pm
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Originally Posted by pennywise666 View Post

yeah,mine,the european version is exactly the same.
and according to Anukin you have to put gamma on 2.2 in cinema mode,then you get the best picture ,closest to D65,if you dont get it calibrating professionally.
i have my colours set at 30,yours at 50?? thats to much!
(or do your slides go from 0 to 100?? mine goes from 0 to 60 only)
what the hell where they thinking??
only reason i can think of is that panasonic wants to irritate people with all the differences in models menu's (and SM?)on every continent pfff.
and here are the white balance settings i simply put in the menu,its from the avsforums UK version review,that result is quite nice quite nice:
http://www.avforums.com/reviews/includes/displayimage.php?imageparameters=reviews/314/menu2.jpg
but there is another WB settings to be find here on this site:
3,-18,-26,-20.0,25
and i believe there's another one 2 pages back orso?
and we can just put these settings in our menu,instead of going into the Service Menu.
i cant believe that European ppl haven't callibrated this tv yet and put there settings on the UK avforums or ANY other forum on the internet for us,just like a few great guys like Anukin and pathofneo do for the US version!!
is there no way(you can help us with perhaps;) to convert the US version menu/SM settings to the EU settings,Neo,Anukin?

I wish I knew how to help you out better for white balance, but if you can get a hold of an i1 display pro / display 3, use the free HCFR software to calibrate it. Also, don't forget to use warm, if warm 2 is unavailable, color temp. At less in the U.S. that's always the closest setting to D65. On a Sharp Aquos I attempted to calibrate, it didn't have warm but low and mid-low, mid low was closest to D65. I read Sharp in general, or at least the D64U series was non really possible to calibrate.
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post #517 of 1303
1/4/13 at 3:16pm
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Originally Posted by PocketRadzys View Post

Hey guys,
I have an Australian tv, the full name is TH-P60UT50A. Just thought I'd share some of the differences in the settings menu. There are quite a lot & even most of the names for picture adjustments are named differently. On the whole, it looks like I miss out on a fair few adjustment options.
Firstly my viewing modes are dynamic, normal, cinema & true cinema. No custom.
If i have all levels of contrast, brightness, colour, sharpness at the centre default (neutral) position, the values are 50, 50, 0, 50. If I maxed everything, brightness would be at 50 with the other three at 100.
The three colour balance options are warm, normal or cool.
Then vivid colour (on/off), eco mode, P-NR (off, min, mid, max, auto), 3D settings (no picture related settings) & thats pretty much it in the Picture menu.
In the advanced settings however there is 6 sliders for RGB gain & cutoff. Pretty sure this is only available in the service menu of the NA model. Although I think there are more adjustment options in the SM. Then there's a Gamma section which has 6 options of: S curve & 5 values ranging from 1.8 to 2.6. Being very much a novice, I'd rather leave all these sort of adjustments to an expert & have some of the more basic picture settings instead.
It's a pity i cant really utilize alot of the excellent information here, being that alot of options are either missing or renamed. Pretty sure thats how other people outside NA feel. I wonder how many other variants are out there, probably different again. The Australian model suffix is an A & the New Zealand is Z, so Im guessing it's not even regional, every single country has its own variant.

NZ and AU models are almost identical (except you guys get programmable TV recording mad.gif). We even have the same manual. We have options similar to the EU models, so keep an eye on the AVForums thread - any settings posted there are likely to be more relevant.
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post #518 of 1303
1/4/13 at 8:43pm
Is forcing "HDMI/DVI RGB Range : Standard 16-235" the recommended setting? I would assume you'd want nonstandard (0-255), assuming your source provides it.

I'm using an HDMI splitter for my DVR (16-235) and Xbox (0-255), so depending on which I use, I find myself switching the setting. Should I just calibrate to "Standard 16-235" and call it a day? How much detail is actually lost when using the STANDARD (16-235) setting and feeding a NONSTANDARD (0-255) signal?

I do notice the blacks are NOT as deep when using my DVR (16-235) with the nonstandard (0-255) setting.

DVR RGB 16-235 - HDMI/DVI RGB Range: Nonstandard


DVR RGB 16-235 - HDMI/DVI RGB Range: Standard


Is the same kind of effect noticed the other way around? A Nonstandard (0-255) source, and setting the tv to Standard (16-235)???
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post #519 of 1303
1/4/13 at 9:08pm
Why not leave it on auto and let the TV decide the proper range depending on the source? Using a switch shouldn't affect the auto setting.
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post #520 of 1303
1/4/13 at 10:27pm
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Originally Posted by Yukon Trooper View Post

Why not leave it on auto and let the TV decide the proper range depending on the source? Using a switch shouldn't affect the auto setting.

I've tried setting it to AUTO, but it does no seem to detect the RGB range correctly. I always find myself having to force the setting. Don't know if it's my source not providing the correct information, or if the AUTO setting only applies when setting the input label to COMPUTER or MONITOR. confused.gif
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post #521 of 1303
1/5/13 at 3:00am
Hi All, I've been a member for a while now but mainly post in the UK site as that is where i am based.

i bought the 42 inch version of this set yesterday and whilst the pic is great i just find the colours very dull and washed out and the overall pic too dark. ive tried adjusting brightness, contrast etc to no avail. does anyone have some recommended settings for the uk version please?

thanks

Saf
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post #522 of 1303
1/5/13 at 6:12am
Just looked for the UK white balance settings, but the link had expired or something. I'll just continue 2 experiment with my settings n see what I can come up with. By the way, I recently switched the PS3 from HDMI 1 to HDMI 2. HDMI 2 has an Audio Return Channel which makes an amazing improvement to sound quality. Call me crazy but I'm pretty sure there was an improvement in both picture quality & input lag too.
Also, to the people who r concerned about input lag, I can now play online with very responsive controls. The game is Battlefield 3, a twitchy 1st person shooter which relies upon reflexes & already suffers from input lag regardless of the television set. It is in 720p & I don't really see the "oil painting" effect that others are talking about. Some Panasonic models also have what is called Pure Direct (I think thats the name) which appears to b an extra panel driver designed to further reduce input lag in game mode. This feature is not available on the UT50 tho, not the Australian version at least.
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post #523 of 1303
1/5/13 at 6:25am
Now that I think about it, when I changed HDMI slots for the PS3, I changed the HDMI 2 label to GAME which may account for the apparent improvement in lag. Could this be similar to the Samsung, where changing an input label to "PC" decreases lag? Might b worth a try for those unhappy with gaming performance.
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post #524 of 1303
1/5/13 at 7:31am
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Originally Posted by PocketRadzys View Post

Just looked for the UK white balance settings, but the link had expired or something.

these are the ukforums WB settings:

-2
-1
+4

+9
-2
+2

and here 2 other ones:

+3,-18,-26,-20,0,+25
+9,-2,2,-2,-1,+4
Edited by pennywise666 - 1/5/13 at 7:37am
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post #525 of 1303
1/5/13 at 7:34am
Yep, Game mode is supposed to reduce input lag.
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post #526 of 1303
1/5/13 at 8:48am
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Originally Posted by pennywise666 View Post

these are the ukforums WB settings:
-2
-1
+4
+9
-2
+2
and here 2 other ones:
+3,-18,-26,-20,0,+25
+9,-2,2,-2,-1,+4

Thanks for the info mate. Huge amount of variation there between the 3 tho, might leave the WB alone for the moment. Right now I'm messing around with the game mode picture settings, without any real idea of how the picture is "supposed" to look. I've got it looking pretty sweet at the moment though, even in 720p. I'm probably breaking a few rules with my settings but the whites have a searing brightness where appropriate, the detail is great & dark areas have this cool kind of depth to them.
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post #527 of 1303
1/5/13 at 9:45am
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Originally Posted by pennywise666 View Post

these are the ukforums WB settings:
-2
-1
+4
+9
-2
+2
and here 2 other ones:
+3,-18,-26,-20,0,+25
+9,-2,2,-2,-1,+4

thanks mate, will have to try these with the various pic settings to see what happens. had a look at dynamic and.true cinema and changed the wb on them but the pic still looks dull. the whites on my set look quite faded and lack vibrancy, i was hoping there was a way.to change this. i know its a plasma and they're not as vivid as lcds but my 5 year old samsung lcd has better colour reproduction than this. this is my second panasonic plasma and im.certain my last one which i bought in 2008 had a better pq. really hoping this is a setting issue.
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post #528 of 1303
1/5/13 at 11:58am
How high is your contrast set? I have mine set at 90 with 100 being max.
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post #529 of 1303
1/5/13 at 12:31pm
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Originally Posted by anikun07 View Post

How high is your contrast set? I have mine set at 90 with 100 being max.

Contrast is set to nearly max mate. we dont get numbers next to the sliders so have to guesstimate! it still looks dull. ive tried changing that on the other pic settings like true cinema, dynamic etc but no matter what i do the pic just looks dull.

Was playing on ps3 and whilst the colours looked rich there was a general dark look about them, i.was playing a racing game on a.daytime track but it looked like it was at dusk very dark and dull.

do i need to fine tune.the colours somehow?
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post #530 of 1303
1/5/13 at 12:45pm
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Originally Posted by safcalibur View Post

Contrast is set to nearly max mate. we dont get numbers next to the sliders so have to guesstimate! it still looks dull. ive tried changing that on the other pic settings like true cinema, dynamic etc but no matter what i do the pic just looks dull.
Was playing on ps3 and whilst the colours looked rich there was a general dark look about them, i.was playing a racing game on a.daytime track but it looked like it was at dusk very dark and dull.
do i need to fine tune.the colours somehow?

I had the same issue with my PS3 everything was really dark. What I did was change the RGB Full range setting from FULL to LIMITED. On the PS3 go to the SETTINGS/DISPLAY SETTINGS/RGB FULL RANGE (HDMI) and switch it to LIMITED.

LB
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post #531 of 1303
1/5/13 at 12:50pm
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Originally Posted by Laughing Buddha View Post

I had the same issue with my PS3 everything was really dark. What I did was change the RGB Full range setting from FULL to LIMITED. On the PS3 go to the SETTINGS/DISPLAY SETTINGS/RGB FULL RANGE (HDMI) and switch it to LIMITED.
LB
thank you. Will try that mate but the screen is generally very dark it happens when im playing the wii u or 360 as well. also when im watching normal tv as well.
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post #532 of 1303
1/5/13 at 1:09pm
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Originally Posted by safcalibur View Post

thank you. Will try that mate but the screen is generally very dark it happens when im playing the wii u or 360 as well. also when im watching normal tv as well.

Have you turned C.A.T.S. OFF?

I'm attaching a link the the UK review of this TV so you can try their settings. If you click on the pictures in the review they will be easier to read.

http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Panasonic-UT50-TX-P50UT50B-P42UT50B-P50UT50-P42UT50-42-50-Inch-Full-HD-3D-Plasma-TV-Review_314/Review.html

Here is another link that might help you...

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p42ut50b-p50ut50b-201209252218.htm
Edited by Laughing Buddha - 1/5/13 at 1:18pm
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post #533 of 1303
1/5/13 at 1:50pm
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Originally Posted by safcalibur View Post

thank you. Will try that mate but the screen is generally very dark it happens when im playing the wii u or 360 as well. also when im watching normal tv as well.

also put it on Cinema mode and Gamma set at 2.2
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post #534 of 1303
1/5/13 at 2:15pm
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Originally Posted by Laughing Buddha View Post

Have you turned C.A.T.S. OFF?
I'm attaching a link the the UK review of this TV so you can try their settings. If you click on the pictures in the review they will be easier to read.
http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Panasonic-UT50-TX-P50UT50B-P42UT50B-P50UT50-P42UT50-42-50-Inch-Full-HD-3D-Plasma-TV-Review_314/Review.html
Here is another link that might help you...
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p42ut50b-p50ut50b-201209252218.htm


Thank you mate, I really do appreciate the help. My first port of call was those reviews that you mentioned and I changed the settings according to the two pics in the av forums review but no joy. I then searched the net trying to find different settings but for some reason no-one in the UK has put up their pic settings so I was directed to you good folks here smile.gif. I have tried most of the different settings but I havent had anyone inform me about how to make the white levels brighter. I even downloaded the avshd calibration mp4 and ran that through my ps3 but for the life of me cant seem to get the settings right.

On two of the avshd slides which calibrate the black and white levels it states that numbers within a certain range need to flash e.g. 17-25 for black levels and 230 and above for white iirc, well I can manage to get one or two numbers flashing but not all of them no matter how high or low I set the brightness/contrast.

I hoping someone here can point out what I'm doing wrong...thank you once again for your tips mate
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Originally Posted by pennywise666 View Post

also put it on Cinema mode and Gamma set at 2.2

will do mate, I'll give that a try, any other adjustments I should make on any of the other settings at all to help with the pq and especially the white level as it just seems too dark. Even friends and family have made comments about the screen being too dark.

Any other settings I should change or does it need to run in maybe?

Thanks guys, really do appreciate the advice.
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post #535 of 1303
1/5/13 at 2:37pm
What's the purpose of calibration DVDs if people already post settings online?
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post #536 of 1303
1/5/13 at 3:45pm
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Originally Posted by StrikerZ View Post

What's the purpose of calibration DVDs if people already post settings online?

Because each panel, viewing environment, owner's eyesight - and preferences - vary at least slightly, and in some cases substantially.

Copying settings from another source will at best get you in the ballpark, as can be seen by the many "complaints" about so-and-so's settings "Not Looking Good...."
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post #537 of 1303
1/5/13 at 4:00pm
I understand. Thanks. I think the default modes look really good tbh.

And I am wondering if it will be okay to play a video game for like 5 hours tonight? My friends want to pull an all nighter. My TV is brand new btw. Around 3 hours of watching.
Should I be worried about IR?

And is there any purpose to using slides if I won't do custom settings?

Sorry for all the questions, just anxious.
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post #538 of 1303
1/5/13 at 4:30pm
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Originally Posted by safcalibur View Post

Thank you mate, I really do appreciate the help. My first port of call was those reviews that you mentioned and I changed the settings according to the two pics in the av forums review but no joy. I then searched the net trying to find different settings but for some reason no-one in the UK has put up their pic settings so I was directed to you good folks here smile.gif. I have tried most of the different settings but I havent had anyone inform me about how to make the white levels brighter. I even downloaded the avshd calibration mp4 and ran that through my ps3 but for the life of me cant seem to get the settings right.
On two of the avshd slides which calibrate the black and white levels it states that numbers within a certain range need to flash e.g. 17-25 for black levels and 230 and above for white iirc, well I can manage to get one or two numbers flashing but not all of them no matter how high or low I set the brightness/contrast.
I hoping someone here can point out what I'm doing wrong...thank you once again for your tips mate
will do mate, I'll give that a try, any other adjustments I should make on any of the other settings at all to help with the pq and especially the white level as it just seems too dark. Even friends and family have made comments about the screen being too dark.
Any other settings I should change or does it need to run in maybe?
Thanks guys, really do appreciate the advice.

its all very strange,having a dark picture despite making all kinds of adjustments in the menu.
maybe the tv is just not good and return it...
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post #539 of 1303
1/5/13 at 8:19pm
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Originally Posted by pennywise666 View Post

its all very strange,having a dark picture despite making all kinds of adjustments in the menu.
maybe the tv is just not good and return it...

Also, make sure the TV is not in Standard Mode or any equivalent in other regions.
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post #540 of 1303
1/6/13 at 2:57am
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Originally Posted by pennywise666 View Post

its all very strange,having a dark picture despite making all kinds of adjustments in the menu.
maybe the tv is just not good and return it...

that is what i am kind of leaning towards but im thinking maybe part of it is adjusting to the dimmer display of a plasma, just dont remember them being so dim!

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Originally Posted by anikun07 View Post

Also, make sure the TV is not in Standard Mode or any equivalent in other regions.

it has a normal mode which i have changed straightaway cinema or true cinema with adjustments seem better.
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