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post #31 of 51
Here are a few images featuring famed Tuskegee Airman, Robert "Bob" Williams. Bob wrote the original manuscript for what became "The Tuskegee Airmen" film produced for HBO. Bob was co-executive producer.

Bob (originally from Iowa) lived in the Pasadena area where he raised three kid's of whom I grew up with. Funny thing is growing-up we never knew anything about the existence of the Tuskegee Airmen (or the fact that Bob piloted a P51 in WWII), even having been in their house-hold for many family social events over the years. It was never really talked about, at least not until the 1990's.
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post #32 of 51
Put aside the very fine PQ & SQ this movie was a total dog. Cliche dialogue, two dimensional cliche characters and choppy storyline. At least Cuba Gooding had a nice looking pipe. Escape tunnel comes up near the woods (Great Escape anyone?). They missed one important detail a Dodger fan from Brooklyn. This film has Razzy nomination all over it.
post #33 of 51
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At least Cuba Gooding had a nice looking pipe

funny, I thought Cuba looked weirdly out-of-place smoking that pipe, un-natural, like a young boy playing a grown man hero

But at least this film was able to capture some of the spirit of the story (I thought). I give thanks to George Lucas for genuinely caring enough to lay his own money on the line to make sure this story made it to the big screen.
post #34 of 51
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I give thanks to George Lucas for genuinely caring enough to lay his own money on the line to make sure this story made it to the big screen.

after all is said and done, +1
post #35 of 51
Im definitely looking forward in watching this.
post #36 of 51
Watched this tonight.

1. One of the worst movies of the year.
2. Dialog made the cliche meter go haywire and break
3. Video looked great but the CGI looked bad and made the movie look like an XBOX game.
4. Audio mediocre as Ralph had graded it. The train scene was not bombastic and there was very little ultra low frequency bass.
5. I think the dialog was simply embarrassing and the love story was stupid (and squeezed in).
6. Dog fights were boring.
7. Infrequent problems with the ADR - dialog a bit too hot at times.

What an embarrassment. A great story crapped on.


OK, I guess you can see that it was a waste of time.
post #37 of 51
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Watched this tonight.

1. One of the worst movies of the year.
2. Dialog made the cliche meter go haywire and break
3. Video looked great but the CGI looked bad and made the movie look like an XBOX game.
4. Audio mediocre as Ralph had graded it. The train scene was not bombastic and there was very little ultra low frequency bass.
5. I think the dialog was simply embarrassing and the love story was stupid (and squeezed in).
6. Dog fights were boring.
7. Infrequent problems with the ADR - dialog a bit too hot at times.

What an embarrassment. A great story crapped on.


OK, I guess you can see that it was a waste of time.

Will still rent to watch.
post #38 of 51
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Will still rent to watch.

Not saying you shouldn't, just that my high hopes were quickly doused!
post #39 of 51
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Not saying you shouldn't, just that my high hopes were quickly doused!

Well you saved me from blind buying it Jeff.
post #40 of 51
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Well you saved me from blind buying it Jeff.

Great! That's money in your pocket!
post #41 of 51
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I don't know if others feel the same way I do, but tI feel that the CGI graphics of the aerial plane/dogfight sequences in modern movies is not very good. For example, when I see the battle scenes in the movie "Pearl Harbor" and compare them to similar scenes from Tora Tora Tora, I can clearly see the difference. The shots in the new movies look really fake to me. The programmers in Hollywood do a really good job with most CGI shots, but I feel that they have not yet mastered the art of planes whizzing by! I'll rent this movie and see how the CGI in it looks.


Cal68


Red Tails should have had the real treatment. But if it's LucasFilm. it's going to be the fake looking CGI. The best of the breed can't hold a candle to real life shot on film. It's good when used sparingly in instances when the real thing cannot be achieved another way. And real effects aren't dead. I recently saw 2005's Death Race (way over the top) and sure enough, it was real looking because it was shot using full sized and scale model moving vehicles.
post #42 of 51

I agree with Jeff's overall take on it.  Also on the comments from others on Cuba Gooding looking downright silly trying to pose heroically with that McArthur like pipe.  Terrible dialogue and the sound left me wanting.  I had read good things about the movie being shot in auro 3D sound, but found that the Blu Ray was only 5.1 and didn't benefit very much in my 9.2 setup, including height speakers.  I had hoped for more and I was greatly disappointed on nearly all fronts, both art and tech.

post #43 of 51
After seeing the movie att the theater, I was glad to buy the movie. I was proud to actually meet General Chappie James in person at a resturant in Miami about 1975. General James was a "'Red Tail" in WWII and a Phantom pilot in Nam. He was the first to greet the POW airmen when they returned from Nam. These people were true American Hero's and I am glad that this film was made to remember them.
post #44 of 51
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I had read good things about the movie being shot in auro 3D sound, but found that the Blu Ray was only 5.1 and didn't benefit very much in my 9.2 setup, including height speakers.
Until the first consumer Auro-3D decoders appear later in 2012 or in 2013, we won't really know if the 5.1 PCM soundtrack used for the DTS-HDMA 5.1 encode on the Red Tails BD, was a "vanilla" 5.1 surround mix, or an Auro encoded 5.1 PCM mix. Using an Auro-3D decoder, an Auro encoded 5.1 PCM mix would decode|expand into an [Auro-3D] 9.1 speaker config, but is otherwise undistinguished. So I guess we'll wait to find out in time...!
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Edited by SoundChex - 6/30/12 at 7:30pm
post #45 of 51
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After seeing the movie att the theater, I was glad to buy the movie. I was proud to actually meet General Chappie James in person at a resturant in Miami about 1975. General James was a "'Red Tail" in WWII and a Phantom pilot in Nam. He was the first to greet the POW airmen when they returned from Nam. These people were true American Hero's and I am glad that this film was made to remember them.

Greetings,

Great stuff and very true. Thanks for sharing..smile.gif


Regards,
post #46 of 51
Actually Chappie James was the pilot instructor of the 332th. He was the first man of his race to attain 4 star (full general) in the air force. His combat experience also included Korea and I believe about 78 missions in NAM.
Most are too young to remember the events of WWII and the hollywood movies of the time were BS propoganda. The war had an unimmaginable loss of life of all nationalities and particularly those of the US. The soldier "Dog Faces" simply drew graffiti wherever they went "Kilroy, was here" and trudged on.
Red Tails did have a good bit of Hollywood shmaltz but then at least they were remembered.
Edited by generallee - 7/2/12 at 3:29pm
post #47 of 51
After my own better judgement i bought this a blind buy. It has to be better than ghost rider 2.
post #48 of 51
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After my own better judgement i bought this a blind buy. It has to be better than ghost rider 2.

Greetings,

No worries there Frank...it is better than GR2. wink.gif

Regards,
post #49 of 51
Thanks Ralph smile.gif
post #50 of 51
Just finished watching this movie and i loved it. Im glad i bought it, i was hesitant at first but im glad i went ahead. Everything about this film kept me entertained to the end. It will have plenty of replay value in my room.

A question was their meant to be a sequel?
post #51 of 51
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A question was their meant to be a sequel?

Knowing George Lucas there will be sequels, The Nazi's Strike Back and Return Of The Red Tails are probably in the works. 20 years from now Lucas will reissue the movie and have Greedo shoot first.
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