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post #1 of 16
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Hello, I'm in the process of getting a new pre-amp and amplifier for a two channel setup. I had a Carver M500 2 channel amplifier and a Carver sonic holigraphy matching pre-amp. I also ran a Carver TX-11 tuner for the radio.

I sold all of this as it was just getting old and would like to get some new/used separates that will sound just as good and have the tuner integrated into the preamp so I only have two boxes for everything.

Budget is $1200. I'd also like to have a nice amount of power on tap, 200 w/channel if possible.

Thanks for any suggestions you can come up with in advance.
post #2 of 16
The Power Amp you should have lots of choices, but Preamp with Tuner, I bet you can only come up with a 1/2 dozen or so. Stereo Review used to have a yearly buying guide but I dunno where u get a listing now.

Am sure Adcom has one if ur into that brand. Rotel probly too.
post #3 of 16
You could check out the Marantz SR-4023 2 channel receiver. Has a built in tuner plus has preouts if you want to add an amplifier. Also has a sub out and a MM phono stage and bass and treble controls. Cost is $499 which gives you plenty of choices for a 2 channel amp.
post #4 of 16
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Originally Posted by mannoiaj View Post

Hello, I'm in the process of getting a new pre-amp and amplifier for a two channel setup. I had a Carver M500 2 channel amplifier and a Carver sonic holigraphy matching pre-amp. I also ran a Carver TX-11 tuner for the radio.

I sold all of this as it was just getting old and would like to get some new/used separates that will sound just as good and have the tuner integrated into the preamp so I only have two boxes for everything.

Budget is $1200. I'd also like to have a nice amount of power on tap, 200 w/channel if possible.

Thanks for any suggestions you can come up with in advance.

It has been alluded but, but I'll just say it straight.

Some of your best choices are probably 2 channel receivers with pre out/ amp in jacks.

Just because it is so counter intuitive that a full receiver would have an equal or better preamp section than a dedicated device with no power amps, doesn't mean that it can't be so. It's all about economies of high volume production. A receiver probably has a lot less money actually spent on the power amp section than you might think.

There are also some alternatives that surprisingly enough still have the pre-out jacks, but no power amplifier inputs.

Both approaches, with power amp inputs or not, can suit your need.
post #5 of 16
The Cambridge Audio Topaz SR10 receiver has 85 watts per channel and would probably meet your needs; it is only $550.

There are very few receivers that have much more power than that, although the Harmon-Kardon 3490 has 120 watts per channel and is only $449 on Amazon.

Unless you have some low-sensitivity speakers, either of those units will give you a one-box system that will perform well.

The Vincent SP-331 power amplifier and the Vincent SA-31 preamp are excellent and would cost about $1900; from there on up it gets a lot more expensive for really high quality. You could possibly find a decent tuner used.

I don't know of a single tuner/preamp combo anymore.




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Originally Posted by mannoiaj View Post

Hello, I'm in the process of getting a new pre-amp and amplifier for a two channel setup. I had a Carver M500 2 channel amplifier and a Carver sonic holigraphy matching pre-amp. I also ran a Carver TX-11 tuner for the radio.

I sold all of this as it was just getting old and would like to get some new/used separates that will sound just as good and have the tuner integrated into the preamp so I only have two boxes for everything.

Budget is $1200. I'd also like to have a nice amount of power on tap, 200 w/channel if possible.

Thanks for any suggestions you can come up with in advance.
post #6 of 16
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Originally Posted by commsysman View Post

The Cambridge Audio Topaz SR10 receiver has 85 watts per channel and would probably meet your needs; it is only $550.

*only $550* for a 85 wpc two channel receiver????

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There are very few receivers that have much more power than that, although the Harmon-Kardon 3490 has 120 watts per channel and is only $449 on Amazon.

Let's be factual. There are a large number of receivers with more than 85 wpc, even if we restrict ourselves to receivers with only 2 channels.

Anybody who can do the math and understands human hearing knows that the difference between 85 watts and 120 watts is only 1.5 dB, which is a small audible difference that is reliably audible providing that you can do quick, nearly instantaneous comparisons. If you were away from the music long enough to walk into the next room and come back, you'd probably be reduced to random guessing.

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Unless you have some low-sensitivity speakers, either of those units will give you a one-box system that will perform well.

In comparison to the difference in receiver power that has taken so much of everybody's attention, the pobable differences in speaker efficiency is *huge*. Home audio speakers range from about 83 dB efficiency to over 90 dB which is a 7 dB difference. 7 dB is large compared to 1.5 dB, but still less than 10 dB which is what is required to create the perception of "twice as loud".
post #7 of 16
Thread Starter 
I'm currently running a harman kardon 3480 to get me by. I just feel that it doesn't even come close to what I was getting from the Carver separates... it may have been wise to keep what I had.

The speakers I'm running are Linn LS250 Nexus on the stone stands.... pretty old school but I love the sound.

Thanks for the replies
post #8 of 16
The Absolute Sound picked the Vincent SP-331 as a "Product of the Year". The Vincent SP-31 preamp and SP-331 amplifier are less than $2000 total, and I think they might sound even better than your old gear; very nice sound for the price.

The Musical Fidelity M3i integrated amplifier is $1500, and will certainly sound way way better than what you have.



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Originally Posted by mannoiaj View Post

I'm currently running a harman kardon 3480 to get me by. I just feel that it doesn't even come close to what I was getting from the Carver separates... it may have been wise to keep what I had.

The speakers I'm running are Linn LS250 Nexus on the stone stands.... pretty old school but I love the sound.

Thanks for the replies
post #9 of 16
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Originally Posted by commsysman View Post

and I think they might sound even better than your old gear; very nice sound for the price.

The Musical Fidelity M3i integrated amplifier is $1500, and will certainly sound way way better than what you have.

Will certainly? How do you know? Or did you mean you think it might sound "better"?
post #10 of 16
Thread Starter 
Ok... upon a bit of further searching and information that you have all provided to me in this thread, I'm now on the prowl for a nice integrated amplifier or a preamp/amp combo without the tuner as it appears that isn't a common feature any longer.

My gut tells me to look into parasound, rotel, emotiva, NAD, etc...

I still want some power, as with the carver amp during peaks the meters would hit 200+ watts.

What now would you suggest for $1200?

Thanks
post #11 of 16
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Originally Posted by mannoiaj View Post

without the tuner as it appears that isn't a common feature any longer.

It's not common but still exists. http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/rr2150.html
post #12 of 16
Integrated amplifiers that put out 200 watts are pretty much non-existent, but the Music Hall A70.2 comes pretty close, and might be a good choice.





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Originally Posted by mannoiaj View Post

Ok... upon a bit of further searching and information that you have all provided to me in this thread, I'm now on the prowl for a nice integrated amplifier or a preamp/amp combo without the tuner as it appears that isn't a common feature any longer.

My gut tells me to look into parasound, rotel, emotiva, NAD, etc...

I still want some power, as with the carver amp during peaks the meters would hit 200+ watts.

What now would you suggest for $1200?

Thanks
post #13 of 16
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Originally Posted by mannoiaj View Post

Ok... upon a bit of further searching and information that you have all provided to me in this thread, I'm now on the prowl for a nice integrated amplifier or a preamp/amp combo without the tuner as it appears that isn't a common feature any longer.

My gut tells me to look into parasound, rotel, emotiva, NAD, etc...

I still want some power, as with the carver amp during peaks the meters would hit 200+ watts.

What now would you suggest for $1200?

Thanks

Definitely check out the Yamaha a-s2000!

Has some awesome features. Lots of power and looks great imo. Heavy as well, with real wood.

Can't decide which colour I like better...


post #14 of 16
Thread Starter 
I've been searching a bit more and have found a couple integrated amps that may fit the bill.

What do you think of this integrated amp?
http://www.anthemav.com/products/anthem/integrated-amp/integrated-225
Anthem integrated 225

How about this one?
http://nadelectronics.com/products/hifi-amplifiers/C-375BEE-Integrated-Amplifier
NAD C-375BEE integrated amplifier

I'd have to use a separate tuner but would still only have to components for my 2 channel system.

Thoughts?


Thanks again for all of the help thus far.
Jeff
post #15 of 16
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Doc Spratley View Post


Definitely check out the Yamaha a-s2000!


Has some awesome features. Lots of power and looks great imo. Heavy as well, with real wood.


Can't decide which colour I like better...





This doesn't have the power I seek, although it looks great otherwise.
Thanks for the rec\
Jeff
post #16 of 16
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Originally Posted by diomania View Post


It's not common but still exists. http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/rr2150.html

Very nice looking option, I'm going to research this guy.
Thanks,
Jeff
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