Originally Posted by HDMe2
Yeah... once they stop. That's what I meant... until they stopped there, they didn't know it wasn't pay at the pump for sure... But then, if the pump was still on they could pump gas and leave cash inside the store (or steal it if they were dishonest).
I guess I imagined that they made sure the kids would need gas... then I expected they would just have enough to get them the rest of the way to the cabin and no more after that.
Except... IF that were true... then why were the kids even asking for directions? I mean, if there was only one road and one way, wouldn't they already know that by then? I got the impression that there were other paths that they might not find their way without being directed. Almost Wile E Coyote style where the signpost points to the exact wrong way (the cabin) that leads to the trouble but then gets changed to direct everyone else away.
Yeah... that would be about the time he realized they were the kids supposed to be there. My assumption is that he would be waiting and looking for people that were acting the right way to arrive. I suppose you could argue that he should have had pictures to ID them... so maybe he was just in the bathroom or something when they first got there? Who knows.
Technically, we don't know that he doesn't do just exactly that! I mean, we never see anyone else visit the store... for all we know, that's exactly what he does when anyone else wanders by.
I would have to watch again... but weren't they jamming signals once the kids got close? So they couldn't use cellphones to call for help and such? Or maybe I'm imagining that part...
Do we know for sure, though, that the pumps and their RV weren't rigged? You could be right, and they could have been rigged in that way... You're right about the speakerphone, though... which is why I don't think he merely existed to set that up... because they could have used someone else... even Amy Acker's character at that point could have been the one on the speakerphone instead of in the room.
On the one hand this could be a reusable place... they did seem to indicate something about having to cleanup more after some scenarios than others... but maybe that cavein isn't a real cave in? Maybe it was just dumping debris into the cave and not really blowing the tunnel... maybe they just say "blow the tunnel" to mean let the debris go... so maybe it can be cleaned up and reset later.
On the other hand... maybe just the scenario set is important... and maybe they have other ways into and out of the area that they alternately block off.. or maybe they only use a set so many times before going elsewhere. They showed a worldwide thing, so I imagine these places are all over the world and might not even all be in use at the same time. They may pick up and move around.
One thing left to the imagination... just how much of the world is "in" on things? Clearly those kids weren't in on the whole sacrifice scenario... so one is left to assume most of the world doesn't really know... and maybe it is a government run thing? So only certain people get drafted into service and told the truth? So they'd have to be careful to NOT let people wander in and around the whole area OR maybe they use it once and move on after the ritual. Also, not clear if it was an annual ritual or less frequent.
All that you wrote is kind of my point: it's a lot of "ifs" in what you're saying.
If we take the movie at face value, based only on what we saw, it seems like they did a poor job of answering the main question of any scene in any movie: does this make sense and is it necessary to tell the story?
Sure, we could suppose the guy makes people go away that shouldn't be there, but he would have hard time doing that if there's a closed sign on the place since most intelligent people don't stop to ask for directions at a place that says it's closed and looks abandoned - as that station did.
We can suppose gas didn't really pump into the RV, but the guy didn't pump the gas for them. Assuming the pump is legit, you can feel when gas is pumping in addition to seeing indicators change. To assume anything else was going on there is not something we can justify based on what was presented.
As far as navigation, like I said, they could have rigged the GPS to show them the way. Just set it up to work like it would in demo mode, only it pretends to navigate them to the cabin. For that matter, there's no need to block anything until they get inside the super special barrier.
In addition, maybe we could assume the cave in wasn't a "real" cave in, but the movie seemed to present it as much. If that's the case, they spend an awful lot of money to build that facility to potentially not be able to use it again if the mountain potentially falls into the canyon.Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Since the Gods appear to be under the place (or have some sort of entrance there), it would make sense that it would be re-used and they had plenty of monsters and "plot lines" ready to go for future endeavors.
But, I wonder this: had the kids not gotten out of the tunnel in time and been crushed or blown up, would that count as a "sacrifice"?
Of course, all this begs the question of how long this whole operation could be kept secret. Wouldn't someone wonder where the kids went? Did they follow the kids to ensure they didn't tell anyone else where they were going? Even if they didn't know exactly where the place was, they probably had some vague idea it was, say, North of such-and-such town.
The Air Force can't fly anything experimental now days without someone spotting it. Sure people disappear all the time, but not a group of friends all at once without raising some eyebrows. If they need these same characters for the ceremony each time, eventually someone is going to make the connection.
It's a lot easier to find people now than it used to be. It's a lot harder for a group of people to just disappear all at once.Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Likewise, in the Japan scene, how would they explain the kids all being dead? Further, who would be the slut in that situation? Assuming only one operation needs to be successful, it would have to mean there is only one set of Gods and those are possible portals for successful sacrifices. Otherwise, you're talking multiple Gods or sets of Gods, only one of which must be appeased to appease everyone - and apparently one is really into little Japanese girl blood.
But, if it's one set and it doesn't matter which location does the job, shouldn't it be the same type of people at each location to fulfill the "destiny"?
I know it's a movie, but there are so many examples of good writing and plotting out there, it amazes me something like this gets through the radar.Edited by NetworkTV - 9/30/12 at 9:57pm