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Enclose in ceiling speakers

post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 
I have in ceiling speakers that have no enclosures. I want to know if there is anything I can do to enclose them?
post #2 of 11
If u don't see one in partsexpress.com, it's unlikely u will find one.
post #3 of 11
You'll first want to find out from the manufacturer what the recommended box volume is for your speakers. If you can get to the speakers from the attic, you can cut boards to size to box in the specified volume using the cieling joists to help form the enclosure. If you can't get to them from the attic, you'll need to access from the room side which means dry wall repair or purchasing something like this.

-Brent
post #4 of 11
Why do you need an enclosure, for protection on the back side? If the speakers are off the shelf ceiling/wall type they are likely made to operate in IB (infinte baffle). Putting those type of speakers in a small enclosure will serve no purpose other than maybe raising the power handling a bit and raising the FS which will limit the low end of their frequency response.
post #5 of 11
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Originally Posted by RDKing2 View Post

Why do you need an enclosure, for protection on the back side? If the speakers are off the shelf ceiling/wall type they are likely made to operate in IB (infinte baffle). Putting those type of speakers in a small enclosure will serve no purpose other than maybe raising the power handling a bit and raising the FS which will limit the low end of their frequency response.

The brand is proficient and has no mention of enclosure. Here is the link proficientaudio.com/literature
post #6 of 11
No need, if anything a little owens corning to limit any echo getting back in the midbass driver...
They should be XO at 80hz, better 100hz if you can
post #7 of 11
Thread Starter 
Will throwing the installation over them that is in the attic work?
post #8 of 11
Yup, you would do it anyway. I've done a few installs and that would do it
post #9 of 11
Thread Starter 
The insulation I have in the attic is the white cotton looking one. Will that be ok or is it a fire hazard laying over it and wires.like I said they are just in ceiling mounted without enclosures.
post #10 of 11
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Originally Posted by asere View Post

The brand is proficient and has no mention of enclosure. Here is the link proficientaudio.com/literature

I don't think Sonance or Polk directly mention back-boxes in the sales literature for their in-wall/in-ceiling speakers either, but they sell them as accessories. There are probably other brands they go to the trouble as well. I expect most in-wall/in-ceiling drivers would benefit from a properly sized enclosure, but the percentage of people who would actually install them is small so most mfgs. don't bother.

Anectdotal data point. A few years ago, I installed a pair of HiFi Works (division of Sonance) THX certified in-wall surrounds. I emailed Sonance/Hifi works for the recommended back-box volume. After some use without an enclosure, I went ahead and boxed in the joist area around the speakers to the recommended volume. It made a significant difference in the bass response of the speakers. Unfortunately, I didn't take any before/after measurements so I can't quantify the actual improvement. IIRC, the enclosure dropped the Audyssey recommended xover point 20Hz or more.

Similarly, I've since picked up another a pair of the HiFi Works THX LCRs, although theyr'e not installed yet (future project). The installation manual for these actually recommends assembling a back-box around them for best results. And, surprisingly, since one would expect in-wall/in-ceiling woofers to be optimized for infinite baffle operation, HiFi Works recommends only .26 ft^3 for these...rather petite by IB standards, IMHO.

-Brent
post #11 of 11
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I just reran Audyssey and for the center I got 80 and the surrounds I got 60 however the left right only did 110. The problem could also be that all the speakers are flat in ceiling and the left, right are at an angle because the ceiling is partly vaulted.
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