Originally Posted by omegaslast
Ive only listened to klipschorns for 5 mins, i havent listened to anything else from klipsch. When you say "compared" how did you compare them? Was there klipsch and B&W in a room and you switched back and forth while watching a movie?
I dont think youve truly compared high sensitivity speakers, you may have HEARD high sensitivity speakers but its not really the same thing.
Im laying out the facts of my situation:
19x13x11' room. Listening position is 13 feet away from the speakers. QSC K12 vs monitor audio RS6s in the exact same room and i can switch between them. The monitor audio RS6s sound HIGHLY compressed during loud movie scenes (because they are).
Do your comparisons have anything in common with my comparison?
Im not talking about the nuances of a silk dome vs a metal dome tweeter here, im talking about very real numbers that explain why low sensitivity speakers cannot make sounds above certain levels due to the laws of physics.
Im not sure whether youre appealing to authority here, or youre appealing to ad populum.
First: manufacturers are not engineers. Any acoustical engineer at paradigm understands how sound pressure levels work, unfortunately paradigm is a company like B&W that has a very clear "look" they want to achieve. You cant fit a 14" waveguide in a speaker thats only 8" wide. ANY speaker thats skinny is compromising looks for sound. Ill do my own little appeal to authority: JBL, which is basically the industry leader when it comes to engineering and white papers, own "best" speaker is the everest... a speaker with a compression driver and extremely high sensitivity.
Second: Companies make speakers that have WAF and you cant do high sensitivity with that in mind.
What youre arguing is similar to people who question "why would i buy floorstanding speakers when a bose system sounds exactly the same in small cubes?"
That question is considered absurd on AVS because people understand the physics of speakers up to a point
. Just like moving from bose to floorstanders would be considered a giant leap, so would moving from floorstanders to high sensitivity speakers with large 12" woofers and 12" waveguides. Why is the first part of that sentence so easy for people to grasp but not the second part??
Your Bose comparison is ridiculous, because almost anything sounds better than Bose. I'd argue my old AIWA boom box from 1991 makes CDs sounds as good as a Bose unit.
That said, I've compared many sets of speakers in my home. I used to work at an Ultimate Electronics store before they went under. I've had Klipsch, Focal, Definitive, Polk Audio, a few JBL etc.... Not that those brands are the end all, be all in home audio. But, they're reputable brands with pretty loyal followers and pretty positive customer reviews, for the most part. And almost all of them produce some models in the range of 89db to 93db. If this is so horrible and produces crappy sound, I don't understand how these brands even have a following, or the positive reviews most of their speakers do. I guess, 95% of the public doesn't know what good, dynamic sound is and is just blindly buying all those brands when they're really junk. Certainly, these companies employ sound engineers to design and tweak their speakers and for some reason, they release speakers in 88db-92db ranges.....
I currently have a set of Focal Chorus towers in my living room, they're 91 or 92db, I can't remember which and I can play them at reference level and they sing, clear as day. They also play music at ungodly levels and sound phenomenal! Now, I suppose, some might try and tell me they're distorting and I'm not hearing it, but I've been into the audio scene for about 15 years now and I can tell when a speaker isn't working. properly. I also don't have a wife, so WAF is a non-issue for me when picking speakers. I guess, I'm just uninformed on the better choices out there.
At any rate, I've had all those brands in my home, with the same receiver (Pioneer Elite SC-35) and a few more brands as well, and while some of them had a different sound, I never found any of them to sound not loud enough or not dynamic enough, or muddied, etc.... Because of not being sensitive enough. I don't know, I guess if the Klipsch I've heard don't count as true, high sensitivity speakers, then perhaps, the problem may be that I've never heard true, high sensitivity speakers. But, all the speakers I've had in my home have sounded great, for the most part. On a side note, I sit about 7 feet from my display and speakers.
I'm also not claiming I'm an audio expert by any means, I worked in the warehouse at Ultimate Electronics and audio/video has been a hobby of mine, so I always got to take home different audio/video equipment. .