Originally Posted by spddy101
Why do you like the Plus better than the EX? Is it just the value? Or is there something about the actual sub you like better?
Just saw this was in the thread and thought I would post what I sent you in PM, for those playing at home. (with some minor edits)
The EX can give a good thump but seems to get a ittle lost on the very subtle nuances. The Plus gives just a tad less thump, but really handles the mid-ground better. Neither handles mid-bass very well; at least in my room. At my friend's house, it seems to be better, but nothing like his STF-2 (it slaughters in the midbass category).
For example, with the Plus, during Jurassic Park, where the T-Rex scene is setting up, the footsteps can be heard in the background as the Rex approaches. The sub gives a very distant footstep then a little stronger one. If you weren't looking a the screen, you may not even notice the fist couple of footsteps, but then, they get eerily closer.
This scene has been one of my main reference go-to scenes to showcase my HT. I have watched it at reference level many times on several systems. My system with the Plus is the best it has ever sounded.
With just the EX, it is too much. The first few footsteps are the same, then, they get too intense for how close the Rex is. When the bass needs to hit hard, they both do great.
Obviously, with the Plus and the EX, the EX's brashness overwhelmes the subtlety of the Plus. The two together just doesn't sound right, for those footstepst. If I had never had the Plus, alone, I wouldn't know any different, but I did and I know how great it could/should be. For the record, the Hsu Stf-2 and the Energy S10.3 didn't do any better than the Plus, during the footsteps.
The EX is a great sub, but it's the fat guy at the gym who can bench 400 pounds and squat 600, but sometimes screams and grunts while he does it and doesn't clean his sweat up off the floor. He's the guy you call when you want a door knocked down and less finesse is necessary.
The Plus is a better overall sub, much like the guy at the gym whose weight is proportional to height and can still bench 315 and sqaut 450. He doesn't look quite as good next to the EX when doing the real heavy lifting, but on his own, you never think he's inadequate.
Of course, this is my experience in a square room
. For this message, I am referring to the characteristics with each sub calculated by Audyssey to -2 on my AVR. I turned off one while 2EQ'ing the other. Then, switched which one was on and retuned unil I got them both to come in at -2. Both are in ME mode. I did take the Plus to a friend's house, whose room is more optimal (nice rectangle on suspended carpet over wood floor over basement), but I haven't had the EX there. At his place, the one Plus was more than enough, room size roughy twice the size of mine.Edited by nikerret - 8/29/12 at 10:32am