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post #1 of 21
5/27/12 at 9:04pm
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im new to the whole home theater life but have always enjoyed movies and sound quality as well as video im just purchasing some equipment after over 200 hours of research on everything you can imagine from sound proofing floor/step lighting to stage and riser building to sound waves and then all of the equipment (so so much) but anway thanks to these forums its made it all possible thanks for all the advice and tips that have been posted over so many topics and great home theater pics that have inspired me... even after all that research i still feel like im in the dark and theres so much more to learn so my latest dilema is im not familiar with amps at all or what they are capable of. all i "think" i might know is it gives you more watts to each speaker sooooooooo with that being said the question ive been tryin to get to is ive researched the denon 3312 receiver and the 4311 witch is about double the price for the 4311. the 3312 has 125 wts per chnl vs the 4311 at 140 wts per chnl. i plan on getting an amplifier anyway if needed??? so is it worth the extra thousand dollars to spend on the 4311 having all the same features just less power pretty much. could put that money towards an amp that would possibly give me more wats per chnl than the 140? so pretty much the 3312 or the 4311 and amp??? am i even on the right path or understanding or do i just need to shut up??? i already know the answer to that so feel free to bash me....any help on this topic would greatly be appreciated thanks to all again
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post #2 of 21
5/27/12 at 9:50pm
What speakers are you using or will be using? Spending money on power amp might not improve sound much. From reading here, folks find the 4311 sounds better mainly due to Audessey XT32 over MultiXT of the 3312. 4311 can Eq two subs and can drive 4ohm speakers. Everthing else is about the same between the two.
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post #3 of 21
5/27/12 at 10:03pm
Not that I'm an expert by any stretch...actually I'm usually the one asking the questions. But it sounds like you are building a serious setup by the things you mentioned you have been researching. I would only say the the $1000 difference in price only exists in MSRP. It is said over and over on these threads to call the authorized online dealers to get a better deal. You should find the price difference to be less than what you have stated.

I would also say that if you want to garner the coveted Official Batpig Advice (No offense JD but he coined a trademarkable phrase. Your advice is just as worthy), you need to provide more details of the ultimate goal of your setup. There could be something in what you want to do that makes the decision without considering the price difference. So provide more details, with perhaps a few capital letters, and you should get some good recommendations.

And that is Official Stradovinski Advice.
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post #4 of 21
5/27/12 at 10:59pm
A few tips....

That paragraph was a difficult read. A real title, punctuation, and paragraphs will help you get more interest. It doesn't have to be perfectly written... just an attempt is appreciated.

Titling your thread "heelllpp!!!" really doesn't help your cause or attract those that can help your specific needs. Almost every thread is someone that needs help. Common courtesy asks that you provide a brief summary of your problem in the title.
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post #5 of 21
5/28/12 at 1:19am
I believe the 4311 supports 9.2, the 3312 is only 7.1. The 4311 has some other features such as MCH analog inputs that are not available on the 3312. But, the 3312 has Audyssey Dynamic Volume and EQ which are lacking on the 4311. You can compare all of the features on the Denon website and decide which is a better value for you.
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post #6 of 21
5/28/12 at 4:19am
^^^

the 4311 has both audyssey deq and dvol... it will also support 11.2 (with a 2 channel external amp)...
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post #7 of 21
5/28/12 at 4:53am
If you want to get the best sound quality of any receiver on the market, with the most REAL power, the only one to consider is the Cambridge 650R.

Read the Home Theater magazine review of it, and you will see what I mean.

It has a 1500 watt power supply, which is DOUBLE what any Denon receiver has, and puts out a REAL 100 watts per channel with all 7 channels driven. No other receiver can do that. It also allows you to biamp the front two channels if you run 5.1, so then you have 200 watts per channel on the front two channels.




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Originally Posted by zachrcasey View Post

im new to the whole home theater life but have always enjoyed movies and sound quality as well as video im just purchasing some equipment after over 200 hours of research on everything you can imagine from sound proofing floor/step lighting to stage and riser building to sound waves and then all of the equipment (so so much) but anway thanks to these forums its made it all possible thanks for all the advice and tips that have been posted over so many topics and great home theater pics that have inspired me... even after all that research i still feel like im in the dark and theres so much more to learn so my latest dilema is im not familiar with amps at all or what they are capable of. all i "think" i might know is it gives you more watts to each speaker sooooooooo with that being said the question ive been tryin to get to is ive researched the denon 3312 receiver and the 4311 witch is about double the price for the 4311. the 3312 has 125 wts per chnl vs the 4311 at 140 wts per chnl. i plan on getting an amplifier anyway if needed??? so is it worth the extra thousand dollars to spend on the 4311 having all the same features just less power pretty much. could put that money towards an amp that would possibly give me more wats per chnl than the 140? so pretty much the 3312 or the 4311 and amp??? am i even on the right path or understanding or do i just need to shut up??? i already know the answer to that so feel free to bash me....any help on this topic would greatly be appreciated thanks to all again
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post #8 of 21
5/28/12 at 5:20am
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Originally Posted by commsysman View Post

If you want to get the best sound quality of any receiver on the market, with the most REAL power, the only one to consider is the Cambridge 650R.

Read the Home Theater magazine review of it, and you will see what I mean.

It has a 1500 watt power supply, which is DOUBLE what any Denon receiver has, and puts out a REAL 100 watts per channel with all 7 channels driven. No other receiver can do that. It also allows you to biamp the front two channels if you run 5.1, so then you have 200 watts per channel on the front two channels.

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The Downside
At the time of this review, the Cambridge Audio 650R is lacking a few very popular features, which nearly all of its competitors have at this price point. A glaring example is the lack of room correction which when implemented properly can provide significant improvements in terms of sound quality.

Funny you never mention that when you post about how "great" the 650R is.

Just FYI biamping doesn't work the way you think it does.
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post #9 of 21
5/28/12 at 6:49am
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^

the 4311 has both audyssey deq and dvol...

I don't see them listed in the specs on the Denon site and they are unchecked as features not included when comparing the 4311 to the 3312.
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post #10 of 21
5/28/12 at 6:59am
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Originally Posted by turbobuick86 View Post

A few tips....

That paragraph was a difficult read. A real title, punctuation, and paragraphs will help you get more interest. It doesn't have to be perfectly written... just an attempt is appreciated.

Titling your thread "heelllpp!!!" really doesn't help your cause or attract those that can help your specific needs. Almost every thread is someone that needs help. Common courtesy asks that you provide a brief summary of your problem in the title.

I agree. I also find the thread title quite annoying.
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post #11 of 21
5/28/12 at 7:30am
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I believe the 4311 supports 9.2, the 3312 is only 7.1. The 4311 has some other features such as MCH analog inputs that are not available on the 3312. But, the 3312 has Audyssey Dynamic Volume and EQ which are lacking on the 4311. You can compare all of the features on the Denon website and decide which is a better value for you.

Unfortunately Denon's website specs are often incorrect from year to year to include this year's new XX13 model specs as well. Every Denon AVR going back the past 5 years that has featured Audyssey, has also featured both Dyn EQ and Dyn Vol as well.

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I don't see them listed in the specs on the Denon site and they are unchecked as features not included when comparing the 4311 to the 3312.

You'll also notice that analog inputs are not checked either.
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post #12 of 21
5/28/12 at 7:34am
The only feature the 3312CI offers over the 4311CI is the ability to display the GUI over 3D video, otherwise it's a level above the 3312CI if for only the upgrade to Audyssey XT32. Whether it's worth the higher cost depends on one's budget. However, if the choice is either 3312CI+amp or 4311CI, the 4311CI would be the better choice as it can more easily power low ohm speakers and offers the better audio fidelity.
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post #13 of 21
5/28/12 at 7:38am
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Originally Posted by BIslander View Post

I don't see them listed in the specs on the Denon site and they are unchecked as features not included when comparing the 4311 to the 3312.

fortunately, i see them as features when i pull them up on my avr...
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post #14 of 21
5/28/12 at 7:44am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

However, if the choice is either 3312CI+amp or 4311CI, the 4311CI would be the better choice as it can more easily power low ohm speakers and offers the better audio fidelity.

i STRONGLY agree...
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post #15 of 21
5/28/12 at 11:31am
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fortunately, i see them as features when i pull them up on my avr...

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post #16 of 21
5/28/12 at 11:38am
Unless you see yourself really getting this as a hobby and dedicate yourself to gear selection, setup, and optimization, maybe you should minimize your expenditure until you know. The 3312 will do well for you. A thousand dollars is quite a sum of money for a what-if. If the money doesn't matter then by all means go for the 4311 it is the best value going right now for those that have high-end sensibilities.
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post #17 of 21
5/28/12 at 11:48am
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Originally Posted by turbobuick86 View Post

A few tips....

That paragraph was a difficult read. A real title, punctuation, and paragraphs will help you get more interest. It doesn't have to be perfectly written... just an attempt is appreciated.

Titling your thread "heelllpp!!!" really doesn't help your cause or attract those that can help your specific needs. Almost every thread is someone that needs help. Common courtesy asks that you provide a brief summary of your problem in the title.

You could have at least welcomed a new member .. I've seen much worse posts ..

BTW, welcome to AVS, zachrcasey ...
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post #18 of 21
5/28/12 at 1:36pm
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

You could have at least welcomed a new member .. I've seen much worse posts ..

BTW, welcome to AVS, zachrcasey ...

LOL, there are a lot of new posters, but the vast majority are not remotely as obnoxious.

BTW, if the OP had really researched for "200 hours," they wouldn't be asking such questions....

As it stands, it's pointless to respond, since there is no information regarding speakers, or the size of the space.

It is highly unlikely the OP needs any more power than the average AVR is capable of providing, but without additional information, this discussion is kind of pointless.
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post #19 of 21
5/28/12 at 2:36pm
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Originally Posted by Ryan1 View Post

LOL, there are a lot of new posters, but the vast are not as obnoxious.

BTW, if the OP had really researched for "200 hours," they wouldn't be asking such questions.... But maybe someone is really bad at research.

I doubt if the OP went out of their way to be obnoxious .. lacking in writing skills, maybe ..

Ever run across folks that post from another country and are not so great at English .. ??
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post #20 of 21
5/28/12 at 3:33pm
Look at the dedicated thread for the 4311. See if it's features float your boat. Also the Audyssey thread has much discussion about XT32, which has some very strong proponents.

The power difference per se is meaningless. To be 3 dB (about "one notch") louder requires double the power. One dB (sort of the smallest increment folks can reliably identify) requires 25 percent more power. Now ther likely is a real difference in real world total power with all or most channels operating, but it may not be meaningful. Depends a lot on your speakers, room and how loudly youl isten. For me, movies are at loudest 10 dB below reference, so I only need at most 1/10 the power of somebody who would listen at reference (although my little Paradigm Studio 10s would surely be compressing significantly on peaks at reference).

Look at it this way. At reference, it is said that dialog runs typically in the range of 80 to 85 dB. My speakers are 86 dB efficient, and I sit about 2 meters away from them. So I need a total of 2 entire watts to play the dialog at reference. Peaks are 105 dB per channel, so I'd need 200 watts to play them cleanly at reference. 20 watts to play them at my loudest preferred listening level.
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post #21 of 21
5/28/12 at 8:23pm
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lol you guys are all great and that was my first very anxious post on any forum, im very impatient, very sorry... not that thats an excuse but my reason i guess.. damn i sound like a dusche, my girlfriends right... lol i realize i left some important details out after reading all the criticizing post lol. no offense takin thanks for all the really good points. speakers are klipsch reference series front center and left 62's with rs-52's and also rs-52's for the rear bookshelves. room size is 13 ' W x 25' L. and yes whoever busted me out for exagerating my research time of 200hrs its actually around 127 hrs 39 mins and 17 18 19 20 21 22 sec, i cant beleive i just took the time to do that, i should be researching more!!! anyway didnt expect so many replys so fast thanks to all of them and keep em coming and ill learn my way around here eventually just keep pushing me around and ill learn that much faster... lol so from the post replys what i pretty much got out of it was if money doesnt matter go with the 4311 ("well no sh*t") unfortunately for me it does. buuuuuuut is it actually worth the extra 1000 now knowing the equipment its being used for. that was my fault by the way. again thanks to everyone who made me laugh ill check back tomorrow.

my dream set up is:
(a little more than my budget can afford is) CREDIT CARD.... SWIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIPE!!!!!..... lol
epson 6010 ($3000)
klipsch ref 62s w/52 surrounds and 2 sw-112's ($3400)
denon ????? $750-$1500)
not to mention
darbee video processor
amp if needed?
a descent screen
bluray/3d player
if theres a better route i could go for that price range any opinios or suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!
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