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post #1141 of 2256
The adapter plugs into the molex connection, not directly into the PSU. I bought additionally cables from the PSU manufacturer but they didn't come with the P4 cable either. After investigating this morning I have found that the cable layout from the manufacturers are different. The Thermaltake cable was sending 12v down the 5v line and 5v down the 12v line. So I think the CPU probably was damaged in the process since I believe the P4 adapter line was looking for 5v source not a 12v. Not sure if the motherboard manufacturer has this type of information or not.


post #1142 of 2256
So do you think the CPU is damaged or motherboard or both?
post #1143 of 2256
After a little more digging, I noticed that the adapter gets 12V power from Pin 1. However, when hooked up to the Thermaltake cable it was only receiving the 5v line. So the Hard drive probably got burnt-out on its 5V line since it was being provided 12v instead of 5v, and its 12v line was only getting 5v. (You have to flip the pin configuration around when you are looking at it from the side that is receiving power).

Since the CPU was only connected to the 5v line then it may have escaped damage. I think I will just have to start unplugging cards and see if that does anything happens.
Edited by TViewer2000 - 2/2/13 at 7:45am
post #1144 of 2256
Well unplugged everything and still nothing. I took out the CPU and nothing looks burnt, so I'm not sure what is wrong. Is there any other pins you need to get the system going other then the power cables and the Power on/off switch?
post #1145 of 2256
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Originally Posted by TViewer2000 View Post

I got the intel board. This is the first case that was part of the thread. I am using the tray that came with the case. So I don't know if other motherboards will line up with the same holes that this motherboard has. I was looking at getting a regular ATX board. The Z77 I think since I have a i7 2700K lying around.


What do you mean that the pin configuration is not identical?

do Not use modular cables from other PSU
all modular cables mostly not identical

I remember modular cables from corsair and seasonic can not be swapped, the connectors are match, but the cable/pin configurations are Not.
Edited by bima - 2/2/13 at 9:44pm
post #1146 of 2256
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Originally Posted by TViewer2000 View Post

So do you think the CPU is damaged or motherboard or both?

I suspect you motherboard toasted, since CPU is protected behind the voltage regulator controller/switch on the motherboard.
post #1147 of 2256
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Originally Posted by bima View Post

I remember modular cables from corsair and seasonic can not be swapped, the connectors are match, but the cable/pin configurations are Not.

I have two OCZ power supplies that each use different pin configurations for their modular connections. So it's not always possible even within one vendor.

And no, they don't seem to document this very well. Nor does there appear to be a standard related to it. So your best bet is to ALWAYS check the output voltages at the device connectors BEFORE attaching the devices. Know that you're actually getting the proper +12, +5 and ground values on the proper pins of the connectors.

And BE SURE to LABEL any extra modular cables you get with an indication of which power supply they came with. I put mine in small ziploc sandwich baggie, in addition to writing on masking tape wrapped around the wires.
post #1148 of 2256
You should be able to swap the pins on the connector so it's in the proper configuration. Molex pins have one or two tabs that protrude from the side of the pin that keep them from pulling back out of the connector housing. You can get a pin extractor that compresses the tabs and allows the pins to be removed from the housing and then reinserted in the proper location. If you don't have an extraction tool, here's a link to one that's inexpensive.
post #1149 of 2256
Yeah, I thought I switched the last cable out, but I was happy to see that everything was coming together so well that I must have forgotten. Well if anyone on here is selling their intel motherboard from upgrading let me know. Otherwise I'm going to have a really powerful file server.
post #1150 of 2256
It was my understanding that additional servers were going to become available about now. I was supposed to be notified, but haven't heard anything yet. Any news about availability?
post #1151 of 2256
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

It was my understanding that additional servers were going to become available about now. I was supposed to be notified, but haven't heard anything yet. Any news about availability?

I've given up at this point.
post #1152 of 2256
Thread Starter 
I Have News!!!

It's Good... If you have been on the waiting list...


I just spoke with Jason from TAMSolutions... They've received about 50 SuperMicro servers last week! They are in the process of making sure that all the units are in working order. Twenty have been tested an verified... with about thirty more units to go.

If you have been on a waiting list (50-70 people) you will be getting an email on Tuesday...ish. If you would still like to purchase one of these incredible machines... Please respond to the email! The units we be sold on a first come first serve basis.

Again... there are only really enough units to fulfill the current people on the waiting list... If those people do not respond or have changed their mind... The units will be sold to any to new or repeat customers.

Hope this helps...

PS... make sure you check your junk mail!
post #1153 of 2256
Very cool. This is about the time they told me they would arrive, so it's all good.

Do these servers usually come with drive caddies? I seem to recall from old posts (haven't been here in a couple of months) that some of them didn't. And do they typically support 3TB data drives? I've just about maxed out my Unraid system, and I'd like to start adding 3TB drives to extend the capacity. I can reuse my current mobo if necessary, but if the server supports 3TB drives, I'd rather transfer the Unraid drives to the server.
post #1154 of 2256
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

Very cool. This is about the time they told me they would arrive, so it's all good.

Do these servers usually come with drive caddies? I seem to recall from old posts (haven't been here in a couple of months) that some of them didn't. And do they typically support 3TB data drives? I've just about maxed out my Unraid system, and I'd like to start adding 3TB drives to extend the capacity. I can reuse my current mobo if necessary, but if the server supports 3TB drives, I'd rather transfer the Unraid drives to the server.

The last batch of servers arrived mysteriously without the drive caddies... TAMS is still uncertain why.

The new batch is complete with caddies.

The backplanes of these servers have been tested and confirmed to support 3TB drives... but as far as 4TB ... not sure if anyone has tried them.
post #1155 of 2256
Thanks. That's good to know. I have 2 Unraid servers at present, but I want to consolidate them into one by slowly swapping in 3TB drives. Right now I have 17x 500GB drives on my original Unraid box and 17x 1.5 and 2TB drives in the newer system. When higher capacity drives get to about $100, I start the migration. If anyone knows of someone who might be interested in Unraid systems with smaller drives (in Cooler Master Stacker cases and 5 to 3 bay enclosures), PM me. When I've migrated all my media, I'll be selling these older systems for a good price.
post #1156 of 2256
If they would come with the EL1 or EL2 backplane I would jump on them again. Just got an EL1 off of ebay for $150. Waiting on my IBM M1015 also. Will have to post pics when I have it all done.

Glad I had FlexRaid setup, lost a few drives over the last couple months. Even had a 2 month old WD red drive fail.


Once I get all that done might have to try to make a VM setup. Played with Hyper-V some before and guess I will try it again.
post #1157 of 2256
Can you switch out backplanes on these servers? Is that a fairly easy process? Otherwise the theoritically limit you have would be 72TB (pre-format), which is a lot now but with 4K coming in the next couple years, I can see where you could run out of space pretty fast.
post #1158 of 2256
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by TViewer2000 View Post

Can you switch out backplanes on these servers? Is that a fairly easy process? Otherwise the theoritically limit you have would be 72TB (pre-format), which is a lot now but with 4K coming in the next couple years, I can see where you could run out of space pretty fast.

I haven't had the need to swap backplanes yet. But I don't see why the current setup couldn't support 4TB or greater HDDs.

Maybe someone can confirm they are using 4TBs?
post #1159 of 2256
I have 2 UNRAID servers, each running with a 4 TB parity drive. One is in the AIC RSC-4ED2-24 chassis with the SuperMicro X7DBE-X motherboard. The second is in the 24 bay SuperMicro SC846TC case with the SuperMicro H8DME-2 motherboard.

I have them in a rack in my server room in the basement, so noise isn't an issue. I have not replaced any of the fans, just tweaked some bios settings. I have to say that the SuperMicro case seems to be a step above the AIC and a huge leap ahead of the Norco 4220 that I have in another server.
post #1160 of 2256
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Originally Posted by Litlgi74 View Post

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Originally Posted by TViewer2000 View Post

Can you switch out backplanes on these servers? Is that a fairly easy process? Otherwise the theoritically limit you have would be 72TB (pre-format), which is a lot now but with 4K coming in the next couple years, I can see where you could run out of space pretty fast.

I haven't had the need to swap backplanes yet. But I don't see why the current setup couldn't support 4TB or greater HDDs.

Maybe someone can confirm they are using 4TBs?

No issues with either of the Supermicro cards with 4TB drives. I don't think the backplanes have anything to do with drive size or type. It's the card that needs to be updated (driver or firmware) or replaced if they just don't support them.
post #1161 of 2256
Did anyone get confirmation that they were added to the waitlist? I emailed jdye@tamsolutions.com about a week ago hoping to get in on the new batch but never got an email back so I figured all was lost.
post #1162 of 2256
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Originally Posted by Xeriser View Post

Did anyone get confirmation that they were added to the waitlist? I emailed jdye@tamsolutions.com about a week ago hoping to get in on the new batch but never got an email back so I figured all was lost.

I did not receive a confirmation. But I called to add my address to the list.
post #1163 of 2256
Thread Starter 
If anyone is looking to get on the current waiting list with the hopes of acquiring one of the 4U SuperMicro Servers...

Please contact Jason at TAMSolutions... Give them a call at 801-796-1696 or email them at jdye@tamsolutions.com they will gladly put your name on the list for the next available units.

I wish I could do more to get one of these machines in your hands... but I am not officially affiliated with the company...

Jason will take care of you.
post #1164 of 2256
Ok, I should be getting a replacement motherboard here in a couple weeks thanks to a fellow avsforum member. So I was thinking of the topic of underclocking/undervolting. Since these are going to be on 24/7 reducing energy consumption is a thought. I've read that the biggest offender is the RAM and I don't think there is much you can do about that. Has anyone else tried this? This is just going to be a file server so I don't think I need the full computational power that these CPUs can offer.
post #1165 of 2256
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by TViewer2000 View Post

Ok, I should be getting a replacement motherboard here in a couple weeks thanks to a fellow avsforum member. So I was thinking of the topic of underclocking/undervolting. Since these are going to be on 24/7 reducing energy consumption is a thought. I've read that the biggest offender is the RAM and I don't think there is much you can do about that. Has anyone else tried this? This is just going to be a file server so I don't think I need the full computational power that these CPUs can offer.

Windows 7 has power options to limit the CPU state:

post #1166 of 2256
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Originally Posted by TViewer2000 View Post

Ok, I should be getting a replacement motherboard here in a couple weeks thanks to a fellow avsforum member. So I was thinking of the topic of underclocking/undervolting. Since these are going to be on 24/7 reducing energy consumption is a thought. I've read that the biggest offender is the RAM and I don't think there is much you can do about that. Has anyone else tried this? This is just going to be a file server so I don't think I need the full computational power that these CPUs can offer.

You won't be able to change clock or voltage on any of these - that kind of functionality never makes its way to server/workstation-class hardware.
post #1167 of 2256
Does anyone know the Supermicro server model number?
post #1168 of 2256
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

Does anyone know the Supermicro server model number?

The server chassis is a SC846TQ-R900

All the specs for the machines can be found in the original post

Hope this helps.
post #1169 of 2256
Thanks. That does help. I hope they didn't put me at the bottom of the list for this round. I called them several weeks ago and asked to be put on the waiting list, and called again the other day. I'm still not sure where I stand, but I should be OK as long as I was put in when I first contacted them.
post #1170 of 2256
Looking for some input on a local find. For $200 I can get a Supermicro 2U server with the following specs:

2 x 2.5GHz/12M/1333 CPU's (E5420)
8 x 1GB SuperTalent FB 5300/
LSI Megaraid 8708EM2 8 Port SAS Raid Controller
6 x 73GB (15K) Seagate SAS Drives
2 x 10/100/1000 Nics
SuperMicro MotherBoard X7DBN
550WT Power Supply

I'm looking at making a real server to replace my E8400 ex-HTPC that I converted to a home server. I've used all the SATA ports so to expand I'll either need to add a card or swap out the 2TB drives for something larger (if the board even supports larger). Or I can use this 2U server and swap out the drives and leave most everything as-is or gut it and throw most of the stuff in my current server case (Antec 300). I don't have a server rack and not sure if I have room for one in my current server location.
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