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Originally Posted by captain_video View Post

The info in the first post contains pretty much all the specs on the server. As for using the server with XBMC I'd have to assume you intend to place it somewhere out of sight and sound and run a long cable to your TV. This is not something you'd want sitting in your living room. It's big, it's loud, and gives off a fair amount of heat. Trust me when I say you're going to prefer to stream media from it rather than use it for direct playback.

I'll probably end up doing that, but even with the mods this thing can't be too close? I plan on building a gaming HTPC anyway, so I guess probably for the best that this thing is far away. Really wanted it to be in a rack though in the room close to me so I could see it. I like being able to see all my stuff lol....

Edit :Just called and yes they have them now, just processing everyone on the waitlist will get one, and if you order now you can get one too. I'm assuming these are used? I wasn't sure and forgot to ask, but I assume so given the extremely cheap price. Even at 400 dollars shipped, these were cheaper than buying a 12drive enclosure, and I get a server out of it. I was EXTREMELY tempted to just tell the girl to ship me one and say screw it. 400 dollars isn't much of anything for a server.

If I don't use this for XBMC or anything, I can just install linux and mange my files from my laptop right? I was only worried about streaming 1080p files and files like mkv that might not play on my devices. In that case, I need to transcode which is why I was a little worried about a server that wasn't too powerful.
Edited by tential - 4/1/13 at 3:42pm
post #1322 of 2256
If you want it to be cooled effectively you will probably want the fans to run a little louder than you'd like if it's in the same room with you. I just received my Norco fan wall and Zalman fan controller today. As soon as I get the 120mm fans for the Norco bracket I'm going to start testing various configurations and posting my results here. I'm hoping to provide options for cooling that anyone can live with. You could just replace the stock fans with quiet ones, but if you saw my previous posts you've seen that drive temps can get a bit high by going that route. Probably the easiest mod is to get a fan controller. If you're more adventurous you might want to try the Norco fan wall with larger fans. I intend to try all three and share my findings.

If you can afford it and are even contemplating a server in the future I'd jump all over this deal. The servers are surplus units that have been taken out of service and sold off. The hardware isn't the latest and greatest, but it is more than adequate for use as a home media server. I figure with the server board, controller cards, CPU, memory, and case this setup probably cost in the neighborhood of $1500 or more when it was new. The case alone is worth the price, considering a new one will run you about $900.

You can upgrade the CPU to up to a 6-core series 2000 AMD Opteron when you update the motherboard to the latest BIOS. I upgraded from a 2.0 GHz dual core to a 2.7 GHz quad core for about $15. Used Opteron CPUs are dirt cheap on ebay. Used server memory that's compatible is also fairly cheap. I replaced the four 2GB sticks that came with it with two 4GB DIMMS for about $40.

If you plan to use XBMC, why not just convert your files to mkvs? I ripped all of my Blu-Rays and DVDs using MakeMKV and they work beautifully with XBMC.
post #1323 of 2256
If you look up the prices of each individual component in these servers, it's shocking to see what they retail for. I did the math a while back, and I seem to recall the total getting over $4,000 (might have been less). That's new of course, but this is an exceptional bargain by any measure. You couldn't touch a comparable Unraid server for anything close to this price, pre-built or DIY.
post #1324 of 2256
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Originally Posted by captain_video View Post

If you want it to be cooled effectively you will probably want the fans to run a little louder than you'd like if it's in the same room with you. I just received my Norco fan wall and Zalman fan controller today. As soon as I get the 120mm fans for the Norco bracket I'm going to start testing various configurations and posting my results here. I'm hoping to provide options for cooling that anyone can live with. You could just replace the stock fans with quiet ones, but if you saw my previous posts you've seen that drive temps can get a bit high by going that route. Probably the easiest mod is to get a fan controller. If you're more adventurous you might want to try the Norco fan wall with larger fans. I intend to try all three and share my findings.

If you can afford it and are even contemplating a server in the future I'd jump all over this deal. The servers are surplus units that have been taken out of service and sold off. The hardware isn't the latest and greatest, but it is more than adequate for use as a home media server. I figure with the server board, controller cards, CPU, memory, and case this setup probably cost in the neighborhood of $1500 or more when it was new. The case alone is worth the price, considering a new one will run you about $900.

You can upgrade the CPU to up to a 6-core series 2000 AMD Opteron when you update the motherboard to the latest BIOS. I upgraded from a 2.0 GHz dual core to a 2.7 GHz quad core for about $15. Used Opteron CPUs are dirt cheap on ebay. Used server memory that's compatible is also fairly cheap. I replaced the four 2GB sticks that came with it with two 4GB DIMMS for about $40.

If you plan to use XBMC, why not just convert your files to mkvs? I ripped all of my Blu-Rays and DVDs using MakeMKV and they work beautifully with XBMC.
Mkv doesn't play nice with xbox 360,and I have no clue how these processors perform with transcoing. I'm kind of familiar with the hardware, and the exact reason I want to hop on this is like you said, the case alone costs more than the setup, and then furthermore wheb will I ever have a chance at a dual cpu mobo. If I could find cpus for cheap to upgrade I definitely will. Wouldn't mind running a 12 can server lol.
Where do u see all this cheap used cpus?
post #1325 of 2256
For people who are transcoding, it might be beneficial to look at a media extender, like Pivos AiOS, or maybe a WDTV Live. There's a lot of work (processor and otherwise) put into transcoding files, when an $80 unit would play them as is. Yeah, it's another device to purchase, but the end result might be worth it.
post #1326 of 2256
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Originally Posted by jeff.lebowski View Post

For people who are transcoding, it might be beneficial to look at a media extender, like Pivos AiOS, or maybe a WDTV Live. There's a lot of work (processor and otherwise) put into transcoding files, when an $80 unit would play them as is. Yeah, it's another device to purchase, but the end result might be worth it.

As of now, I'm considering this. I know for my living room at my house, there is no way to play ANY files. So a 100 dollar box that I can run XBMC on might be beneficial. That room has a ton of problems though, the stereo is hooked up all types of weird. My parents are as tech savvy as I am lol. For the PC/Androids in the house though, I'm sure they'd appreciate it.

What server is the easiest to set up and run on these?
Also what is the preferred processor choice?

From my recollection of that far back, this was the time period that intel first released the heavily coveted Core2Duo architecture. Blew away the previous Pentiums, and AMDs as well. To me at least, it would seem the intel option is faster, but I see a lot of people with AMD ones. I'm going to ask on anandtech as well (more hardware focused people to give opinions), but I'd like to know how you guys feel.

Really wish I could hold off on purchasing this, but I feel like I have to since the deal is so good lol.

Oh also, can I put 4TB HDs in this? I see a lot of these servers and they have "72 TB limit" but I do't understand why since I always figured I could put whatever size drive I wanted in them. I'd HATE to be limited by the size of the drive I could put in.
Edited by tential - 4/1/13 at 5:40pm
post #1327 of 2256
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Originally Posted by jeff.lebowski View Post

For people who are transcoding, it might be beneficial to look at a media extender, like Pivos AiOS, or maybe a WDTV Live. There's a lot of work (processor and otherwise) put into transcoding files, when an $80 unit would play them as is. Yeah, it's another device to purchase, but the end result might be worth it.
I picked up a refurbished WDTV Live media player about a week ago for only $60 and it plays my mkv rips from the server perfectly. No transcoding whatsoever as they're just straight rips in a mkv container. I've about all but given up on using WMC media extenders, The interface is just too choppy and the remote commands lag more than I'd like. I've used every extender on the market except for the D-Link and they all pretty much suck, IMHO. I was really hoping the Echo would be a combination media extender and media player, but it fell way short of my expectations.
post #1328 of 2256
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Originally Posted by captain_video View Post

I picked up a refurbished WDTV Live media player about a week ago for only $60 and it plays my mkv rips from the server perfectly. No transcoding whatsoever as they're just straight rips in a mkv container. I've about all but given up on using WMC media extenders, The interface is just too choppy and the remote commands lag more than I'd like. I've used every extender on the market except for the D-Link and they all pretty much suck, IMHO. I was really hoping the Echo would be a combination media extender and media player, but it fell way short of my expectations.

My goal is to use the XBMC interface on every device. I want it to be seemless and not confusing so that anyone can use it on any tv and know what they're getting into. Nothing is different. The interface is pretty damn good for what it does. A lot of people find the apple TV easy to navigate, and my xbox 360 isn't bad either, but I think XBMC has them all beat and I'd like that organization to stay in tact. Not being able to sort by only Horror movies or something like that through a WDTV live media player wouldn' work for me.

Edit: After some thought I think it'd be appropriate to separate my HTPC gaming box, from my HTPC dedicated XBMC box, to my server. I just don't want all 3 cobbled together and have people touching/seeing the server side. There should never be any interaction with that. Just interaction with the HTPC gaming box and XBMC box. Besides, I saw a lot of good barebones kits out there right now including a slightly more expensive intel one for around 400 built. Most others were 2-300. Within a few months a couple new devices that run XBMC are going be out that hit 100 dollars.

The last thing I want to do is be using my XBMC box like a PC and constantly switching back between browsing and XBMC. I want it to feel like a better cable box lol.

I still have those questions though on which is better between the AMD and the Intel and what the action storage limits on these are(as in can I use my 4TB HDs).
Edited by tential - 4/1/13 at 10:48pm
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Anyone know the name of the case in the 2U?
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I believe the 2U server TAMs was selling was also a Supermicro. I don't believe they have anything but the 4U servers available at the moment, but you'd have to call them to be sure.
post #1331 of 2256
The 2U case is http://www.supermicro.com/products/chassis/2u/826/sc826tq-r800lp.cfm but with black drive carriers.
post #1332 of 2256
Looking for confirmation on 3tb disk support for the AOC-SAT2-MV8 cards, plus the need for updating the cards' BIOS.

Thanks!
post #1333 of 2256
I haven't tried a 3TB drive yet but I have been assured that it will work. I don't believe a firmware upgrade is required. I checked the Supermicro website and my controllers already had the latest firmware (version 1.0b). You should see the firmware version displayed during bootup when the controllers are being polled for attached drives.
post #1334 of 2256
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Originally Posted by jeff.lebowski View Post

Looking for confirmation on 3tb disk support for the AOC-SAT2-MV8 cards, plus the need for updating the cards' BIOS.

Thanks!

I can confirm 3Tb support. I get full capacity with WD Red series 3Tb drives and the SAT2-MV8's. I do wonder if 4Tb drives will work and at full capacity...
post #1335 of 2256
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Originally Posted by jeff.lebowski View Post

Looking for confirmation on 3tb disk support for the AOC-SAT2-MV8 cards, plus the need for updating the cards' BIOS.

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by AlphaG View Post

I can confirm 3Tb support. I get full capacity with WD Red series 3Tb drives and the SAT2-MV8's. I do wonder if 4Tb drives will work and at full capacity...

I can also confirm 3TB/4TB support with the newer drivers from the Tempo page.... http://www.sonnettech.com/support/kb/kb.php?cat=342&expand=_a3&action=b150#b150
post #1336 of 2256
I have the Intel version of the server. I also had no trouble with 3TB drives - with no driver update applied. It was the first thing I checked.
post #1337 of 2256
Has anyone heard from TAMS about their recent delivery?
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Firmware upgrade is required for 4TB, but they work just fine. 3TB drives did not require an update.
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Are you talking about firmware or drivers? As I indicated earlier, the Supermicro AOC-SAT2-MV8 controllers in my server were already upgraded to the latest firmware version. Are you saying that yours did not have the latest version when you received it or are you using a different firmware than what's posted on the Supermicro website?
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Originally Posted by captain_video View Post

Are you talking about firmware or drivers? As I indicated earlier, the Supermicro AOC-SAT2-MV8 controllers in my server were already upgraded to the latest firmware version. Are you saying that yours did not have the latest version when you received it or are you using a different firmware than what's posted on the Supermicro website?

It was actually the drivers in windows. I had to back and look at what I had done. I also got an M1015 around the same time and did have to update its firmware. But the latest drivers (Sonnet Tempo Gen 2) are the ones I installed in windows for it to recognize my 4TB Drives with the MV8 controllers.

Did you get your Norco 120mm fan wall installed and running? It makes things sooo quiet!!
Edited by likelinus - 4/7/13 at 3:43pm
post #1341 of 2256
tap tap tap

Waiting for my "Your server has shipped" email...

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I looked some but didn't see any power consumption values. I live in electrically challenged SoCal paying in the 4th tier, so juice to run can easily exceed purchase for 24/7 use.
post #1343 of 2256
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Originally Posted by likelinus View Post

It was actually the drivers in windows. I had to back and look at what I had done. I also got an M1015 around the same time and did have to update its firmware. But the latest drivers (Sonnet Tempo Gen 2) are the ones I installed in windows for it to recognize my 4TB Drives with the MV8 controllers.

Did you get your Norco 120mm fan wall installed and running? It makes things sooo quiet!!
Not yet. The weather was nice this weekend so I had to take care of a few things on the house so I didn't have the time I needed to install the fan wall. I did reinstall the original fans and connect the Zalman fan controller to all of the fans plus the CPU. At full speed the fans put out about 73dB, but still didn't cool the drives as low as my original unRAID setup. While still louder than I'd like, the noise level with the cover installed wasn't as bad as I thought it would be.

After about an hour or so I dropped the fan speed on everything but the CPU just to the point where the indicators on the fan controller went from red to blue. This dropped the noise level to about 64dB, but the temps only increased by about one degree C on all drives. I should be able to get the fan wall installed next weekend as I have Friday off. I'm going to have to gut the case again to install the new fan wall, but I figure it shouldn't take me more than an hour or two. The Norco fan wall already has threaded mounting holes to fasten it to the chassis. It uses 6-32 screws just like the rest of the case screws, but they need to be longer since the new wall is about 1/4-3/8" shorter than the width of the case. I picked up a pack of 6-32x1/2" flathead Philips machine screws at my local Ace Hardware for 79 cents so they should do nicely. I'll have to see what I can use for spacers between the side panels to fill in the gap.
post #1344 of 2256
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Originally Posted by mikeford View Post

I looked some but didn't see any power consumption values. I live in electrically challenged SoCal paying in the 4th tier, so juice to run can easily exceed purchase for 24/7 use.

I had an Intel system that would idle right around 150-160 watts with no hard drives spinning. I think the memory consumes quite a few watts and older Supermicro motherboards are not that efficient. I ended up swapping out the board, cpu and memory. Right now running Unraid I idle at 50-60 watts. Asrock board 8 sata ports, Celeron proc., 4 gigs ram and 2-M1015 cards. I know swapping out all the parts defeats the purpose of buying this server but the case alone was worth it to me.
post #1345 of 2256
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Originally Posted by toohip View Post

I had an Intel system that would idle right around 150-160 watts with no hard drives spinning. I think the memory consumes quite a few watts and older Supermicro motherboards are not that efficient. I ended up swapping out the board, cpu and memory. Right now running Unraid I idle at 50-60 watts. Asrock board 8 sata ports, Celeron proc., 4 gigs ram and 2-M1015 cards. I know swapping out all the parts defeats the purpose of buying this server but the case alone was worth it to me.
The case is definitely worth the cost if that's all you need. I've also been contemplating the replacement of the motherboard and other hardware, mainly because I've already got a system that was working perfectly fine and was probably more energy efficient as well, not to mention it was much faster. I may have to get a different motherboard than what I was using so that I may take full advantage of all 24 drive bays.
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Shipping is confirmed. Delivery date is estimated for Wednesday the 10th. 66 lbs.
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Originally Posted by jeff.lebowski View Post

Shipping is confirmed. Delivery date is estimated for Wednesday the 10th. 66 lbs.

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I am on the waiting list and putting together a parts list with costs, can anyone confirm the cost of this item without shipping??
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$299 for the dual core AMD Opteron and $349 for the quad core. I believe the Intel costs the same as the dual core AMD.
post #1350 of 2256
Do you have the option to choose which one you can get? Is the method to get on the waitlist is by either email or calling them?
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