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A few hundred more to be precise!

I wonder if Google is recycling their old server farm...lol
post #152 of 2256
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Originally Posted by Litlgi74 View Post

Well that stinks!!! I was hoping you found something that would work. Good thing I ordered two back windows from Norco.

If I were a hobbyist / modder I would try to make a custom plate out of acrylic. smile.gif
post #153 of 2256
Finally got around to disassembling this sucker. Damn there are lots of screws...

Litlgi's right. Debulking the innards on it suddenly makes it no longer tank-like, and magnificently roomy.

Drilled one hole for the Norco back plate and realized what a piece of crap Ryobi I have. I thought it was going to explode...

Question for Litlgi -- when you say you used cardboard for your mobo and standoffs, in what capacity? Was it to help mark the drilling spots?
post #154 of 2256
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Question for Litlgi -- when you say you used cardboard for your mobo and standoffs, in what capacity? Was it to help mark the drilling spots?

Hey Doc...

I only used the cardboard as a spacer (between the motherboard and the base of the server case) to get the motherboard to the correct height.. . Once the holes were drilled for the standoffs... I removed the cardboard from the project. I found this step necessary to get the SATA cards properly lined up / level in their PCI slots... Otherwise the cards might not have seated correctly.

PS... If the server wasn't a nuisance to anyone... why modify it?
post #155 of 2256
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PS... If the server wasn't a nuisance to anyone... why modify it?

Someday my in-laws will actually come to town and want to sleep in the guest bedroom.biggrin.gif

And, no matter how much I may not love them, I can't wish that noise on anyone.tongue.gif

Also, I have the parts and, tbh, I like having new projects. Having a 3-yr old, a one-year old, and 3 Great Danes (including one puppy) isn't enough excitement at home. I need computer parts everywhere.

If I f$%^ it up, so be it. But I needed something fun to do on the side, and just migrating my database over and changing out the CPU don't count.

BTW, for those who are adding a 2nd processor, I ended up going with this Cooljag hsf.

Will report back after I have everything put together (which should be sometime in 2013...)
post #156 of 2256
BTW, just wanna say again how much I've appreciated your help on this thread.

I probably would've cut off a finger and/or blown up my house without your guidance.
post #157 of 2256
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BTW, just wanna say again how much I've appreciated your help on this thread.
I probably would've cut off a finger and/or blown up my house without your guidance.

My pleasure... I love this hobby!

Making new friends is an added bonus...

Even if his name is Killroy! eek.gif
Edited by Litlgi74 - 6/19/12 at 5:56am
post #158 of 2256
I went ahead and bought one of these myself on Sunday. Thanks for the heads up. They went fast - there were only 4 left (of the 1.83 GHz Xeon) after I bought mine... I noticed one of you (or perhaps somebody over at [H]ardforum) bought 3!

I wish this thing supported VT-d - it would open up a lot of with regards to running it as a VM server. I think Hyper-V is the only one (VM server) that supports disk pass through with out VT-d or the AMD equivalent. Just curious, anybody got their's supped up with a 6 core Opteron (or two) yet? According to Micrcosoft, WHS 2011 only supports a single CPU socket with up to 4 cores and 8 gigs of RAM. I know the single CPU socket and memory limitation has been confirmed, but my Google-fu is failing me on whether WHS 2011 is limited to 4 cores or could use all 6 (or more, depending on the CPU) on a CPU with more than 4 cores. Can somebody with a 6 core Opteron open up task manager and see if it's showing all 6 cores? Or 12 if you went the dual cpu route (this shouldn't work, but it would be a pleasant surprise if it did!).

I think one possible work around for dual CPU systems would be to run WHS 2011 as a guest in Hyper-V and create a vCPU and assign all 8/12 cores to it. I THINK WHS 2011 would see this as an 8(or 12) core CPU. This is/will be my first go around with virtualization technology (well, I did play around with Virtual box for a day or two once), so I'm not sure exactly what is all possible on this hardware. I'm thinking about getting a pair of low voltage Xeon quads and 16 gigs of RAM and finding out biggrin.gif I think I'm going to take the Tool Time approach. Even if you can't use more than 4 cores in WHS, there are quite a few other cool things I could think of doing with a VM server with dual quads. Assuming Hyper-V will still give good I/O performance with out VT-d - I still haven't figured that out either!

Those that already have a WHS 2011 server, what kinds of cool stuff are you guys doing with it beyond serving up Blu-rays and DVDs? I was thinking about getting a security cam (Logitech B700e, maybe) and a PoE router and running something like Blue Iris. Could covert my side door where all my packages are delivered and my drive way where I park my Jeep (sadly, no garage at this place). Maybe an instance of Torchlight 2 as a pseudo-dedicated server when it's released? Perhaps a Minecraft server as well? Just a couple of ideas I had.
post #159 of 2256
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Originally Posted by Z-95 View Post

Well I couldn't resist and bought another one for spare parts/possible future project biggrin.gif
Only one left (of the 2GHz variety)--better jump now if you want it!
Edit: It's gone.

Yep, I bought the last one. Wish I had seen this sooner so I could've jumped on the cheaper ones, but this is still a hell of a deal. No way I could put together a hot swap 24 bay server chassis for that kind of money on my own. I think I'm just going to leave the unit as is since I'll be putting it and my current server in my basement - so no need to worry about fan noise.

Question about the power supplies though... could I get away with just plugging in 1 or 2 of them, or should I have all 3 plugged in at all times? I'm assuming they're redundant, I just don't have a whole lot of outlets to spare.
post #160 of 2256
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Question about the power supplies though... could I get away with just plugging in 1 or 2 of them, or should I have all 3 plugged in at all times? I'm assuming they're redundant, I just don't have a whole lot of outlets to spare.

Depending on how many HDDs you install... The server can run on one PSU. The only downside is the server will beep until you press the "B. Reset" button on the back of the unit. You will also have to do this every time you restart the machine.

As far as the extra outlets... why not plug into a strip or a UPS?
post #161 of 2256
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Question about the power supplies though... could I get away with just plugging in 1 or 2 of them, or should I have all 3 plugged in at all times? I'm assuming they're redundant, I just don't have a whole lot of outlets to spare.
Depending on how many HDDs you install... The server can run on one PSU. The only downside is the server will beep until you press the "B. Reset" button on the back of the unit. You will also have to do this every time you restart the machine.
As far as the extra outlets... why not plug into a strip or a UPS?

I do already have a strip where I'm planning to put it, with some other things taking up all but two outlets. I think maybe I'll just relocate some of that stuff or replace the redundant power supplies with a single one. Thanks for the info.
post #162 of 2256
You can use ESXi with raw device mapping. This will allow you to pass through individual disks just like with Hyper-V. I've been running WHS v1 through Hyper-V on Server 2008r2 and just switched to ESXi. I'm getting much better performance on ESXi with the same hardware. So you could run ESXi with those servers, and still pass through the disks.

As a side note I wonder if you can hack WHS to run on more than one core. I know you can modify the settings to allow you to install on a smaller drive than Microsoft wants, I wonder if you can hack it to allow multiple sockets. Probably not just something to think about. I don't know how ESXi handles multiple sockets since I don't have any systems with multiple sockets. It might be possible to just assign 12 cores and a single socket. I don't know why you'd need that much for WHS though. Mine is running very nicely with 4 cores, which in this case I assume is 2 cores with hyper threading. Good luck.
post #163 of 2256
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You can use ESXi with raw device mapping. This will allow you to pass through individual disks just like with Hyper-V. I've been running WHS v1 through Hyper-V on Server 2008r2 and just switched to ESXi. I'm getting much better performance on ESXi with the same hardware. So you could run ESXi with those servers, and still pass through the disks.
As a side note I wonder if you can hack WHS to run on more than one core. I know you can modify the settings to allow you to install on a smaller drive than Microsoft wants, I wonder if you can hack it to allow multiple sockets. Probably not just something to think about. I don't know how ESXi handles multiple sockets since I don't have any systems with multiple sockets. It might be possible to just assign 12 cores and a single socket. I don't know why you'd need that much for WHS though. Mine is running very nicely with 4 cores, which in this case I assume is 2 cores with hyper threading. Good luck.

ESXi 4.1 free is limited to 6 cores, regardless of the number of sockets, with a 256GB memory limit.. ESXi 5 free is limited to 1 socket, no core limit, and only 32GB memory. So there's not much to gain from a second proc if you want to run ESXi.
post #164 of 2256
Mine came yesterday. Talk about great shipping and packing! I had to laugh when the UPS guy brought it up using a hand truck. I swapped the RAID cards for three 3WARE 9500S cards, then installed 2008 R2 on it. I only needed the chipset, ES1000, NIC, and the 3WARE software. The OS downloaded the right 3WARE drivers, too - makes setup very easy. I don't think it's loud - but then again, I work with servers all day and I'm used to the fans. I already bought a set of quad core Xeons for it for $67 - can't beat that with a stick!

Now all I have to do is slowly buy 1TB drives and rent space out to my friends! wink.gif
post #165 of 2256
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ESXi 4.1 free is limited to 6 cores, regardless of the number of sockets, with a 256GB memory limit.. ESXi 5 free is limited to 1 socket, no core limit, and only 32GB memory. So there's not much to gain from a second proc if you want to run ESXi.

I believe ESXi 5 free isn't limited on CPU sockets or cores, just on the 32GB of physical memory (the searching I did showed unlimited CPUs/cores for version 5).

I still want VT-D support (and dual hexacores) so I'm planning on ripping out the internals of at least one of my servers.
post #166 of 2256
How did I miss this over here??

You guys will not be disappointed in these servers for the price. Mine has been rock solid with absolutely zero issues running unRAID. I did try Esxi 5.0 on the AMD version and it loaded it fine however you will not get hardware pass through which is necessary for unRAID. I will say though that it was my first attempt at using esx and I could have missed something critical in installation.
post #167 of 2256
Ordered one before they sold out. Lots of good info in this thread. Thanks for your contributions, Litlgi74. Scheduled delivery Friday, have SilenX 60mm fans on the way to start quieting this thing. Adding a pair of E5450's for some more horsepower. Probably Norco fan bracket next.
post #168 of 2256
I waited a tad bit too long to jump on this and they were gone. mad.gif Will be on the lookout for the next set of servers when they come along. Great write-up and good information that haven't worked with server class equipment..

EDIT: I guess they got a couple in and I was towards the top of the list, so just be patient. Now waiting for it to get here to start the project.
Edited by TViewer2000 - 7/13/12 at 11:09am
post #169 of 2256
I've considered CPU improvements but don't know if it's worth it. The performance and power consumption on newer stuff is a lot better than this gear. I'm thinking about running Nexenta on mine and a the single dual-core Xeon is more than enough to saturate a gigE link, provided I bump the RAM a bit. Don't know that switching to a single quad, or a pair of either would be worth the expense and resulting power consumption. If you want transcoding power you're far better off with newer gear, or so I'm led to believe.

That and I don't know how well the chipset would handle virtualization services.
post #170 of 2256
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I've considered CPU improvements but don't know if it's worth it. The performance and power consumption on newer stuff is a lot better than this gear. I'm thinking about running Nexenta on mine and a the single dual-core Xeon is more than enough to saturate a gigE link, provided I bump the RAM a bit. Don't know that switching to a single quad, or a pair of either would be worth the expense and resulting power consumption. If you want transcoding power you're far better off with newer gear, or so I'm led to believe.
That and I don't know how well the chipset would handle virtualization services.

The problem I ran into with doing a lot of virtualization on this server (aside from the cost of DDR2 FB-DIMMS) was that most of the hardware from this era was designed when virtualization when just starting to be taken seriously in the enterprise, so there is limited support compared with newer hardware. I had wanted to setup ESXi and run some form of Solaris for ZFS, but it was not possible to get the hardware to pass through to the VM.

Ultimately, between the desire to consolidate systems in the house and have greater flexibility for future expansion, I'm doing a pretty substantial upgrade of the server in the next couple of weeks (actually replacing everything but the chassis and hard drives). I'll post pics as that progresses. Also, not sure if maybe I missed it in the thread, but the back window and fan wall can be purchased directly through Norco (the site is "IPC Direct", but it shows up on the card as Norco): http://www.ipcdirect.net/servlet/Detail?no=341 http://www.ipcdirect.net/servlet/Detail?no=258
post #171 of 2256
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I'm doing a pretty substantial upgrade of the server in the next couple of weeks (actually replacing everything but the chassis and hard drives). I'll post pics as that progresses.

I look forward to seeing your mods.

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Also, not sure if maybe I missed it in the thread, but the back window and fan wall can be purchased directly through Norco (the site is "IPC Direct", but it shows up on the card as Norco): http://www.ipcdirect.net/servlet/Detail?no=341

Thanks to the demand of these servers... and the need to modify the back window... I am glad Norco has finally decided to put a link on their website to sell the back window to the public! cool.gif

Thanks for the info... I have updated my original post.

PS... It might be a good idea to keep on eye on ebay for this part as well. I was able to purchase my fan wall from this seller for $10 with free shipping
Edited by Litlgi74 - 6/22/12 at 7:24am
post #172 of 2256
I'm thinking it might be worth using illimos (opensolaris) as the host OS and then run virutalbox VMs within it. ZFS for the discs and then CIFS for network shares. This would take over for a w2k8r2 server doing the job now.

I've used that IPC link to order a backpanel, thanks!

What's the skinny on an appropriate power supply for this many drives? If I ran VMs I'd lean toward a redundant pair, especially with ZFS as it caches a lot in RAM.
post #173 of 2256
Welp, I did it--ordered 2x E5-2620s, a Supermicro X9DRI-F-O, and 32GB of DDR3 FB EEC RAM to replace the internals of one of my servers. Still need a PSU and 3x IBM m1015s, and fans for the fan plate and back window, and something for the boot drive (maybe small SSD). Oh yeah, and at least 11 3TB drives to start (RAID-Z3).

And a Procurve 2810. And 1000 feet of Cat6. And a patch panel.

To go in my new 12U rack.

Gonna be a fun summer! biggrin.gif
post #174 of 2256
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Welp, I did it--ordered 2x E5-2620s, a Supermicro X9DRI-F-O, and 32GB of DDR3 FB EEC RAM to replace the internals of one of my servers. Still need a PSU and 3x IBM m1015s, and fans for the fan plate and back window, and something for the boot drive (maybe small SSD). Oh yeah, and at least 11 3TB drives to start (RAID-Z3).
And a Procurve 2810. And 1000 feet of Cat6. And a patch panel.
To go in my new 12U rack.
Gonna be a fun summer! biggrin.gif

Holy Crap Dude... This thread was meant for the people who wanted to save money... and you are spending all kinds of it!!! biggrin.gif Looks like an awesome machine!

Are you coing to modify your case? If so... Make sure to post some pics of your finished setup.
post #175 of 2256
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Originally Posted by Z-95 View Post

Welp, I did it--ordered 2x E5-2620s, a Supermicro X9DRI-F-O, and 32GB of DDR3 FB EEC RAM to replace the internals of one of my servers. Still need a PSU and 3x IBM m1015s, and fans for the fan plate and back window, and something for the boot drive (maybe small SSD). Oh yeah, and at least 11 3TB drives to start (RAID-Z3).
And a Procurve 2810. And 1000 feet of Cat6. And a patch panel.
To go in my new 12U rack.
Gonna be a fun summer! biggrin.gif

That's not far off of what I'm doing, except I'm only going with a single E5-2620 and the Supermicro X9SRLF-F-O. Also going to use an M1015 with one of the Intel SAS Expanders. Won't quite be splurging on that many drives though!
post #176 of 2256
lol I have no qualms or worries about cutting into human flesh, but trying to drill these standoff holes correctly is practically giving me a panic attack. biggrin.gif
post #177 of 2256
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lol I have no qualms or worries about cutting into human flesh, but trying to drill these standoff holes correctly is practically giving me a panic attack. biggrin.gif

Prescribe yourself some Clonazepam. biggrin.gif
post #178 of 2256
Sounds like a sure-fire recipe for accuracy. smile.gif

Measure twice. Cut ... wha?
post #179 of 2256
OK. Inane question time.

In your first post, you reference these standoffs, which are 6-32 x 4 mm outer, and M3 inner dimensions. But then, in assembly piece number 13, you say that you should use 2 standoffs for each hole.

The problem I'm having is that they can't be stacked/ screwed into each other more than a mm, because they have different diameters (outer vs inner). Wouldn't you need the standoffs you referenced on top, and something like these to be attached to the case? This way you could screw one standoff completely into the other?

Or am I just an idiot (certainly a strong possibility)?
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OK. Inane question time.
In your first post, you reference these standoffs, which are 6-32 x 4 mm outer, and M3 inner dimensions. But then, in assembly piece number 13, you say that you should use 2 standoffs for each hole.
The problem I'm having is that they can't be stacked/ screwed into each other more than a mm, because they have different diameters (outer vs inner). Wouldn't you need the standoffs you referenced on top, and something like these to be attached to the case? This way you could screw one standoff completely into the other?
Or am I just an idiot (certainly a strong possibility)?

Sorry Doc... You are probably correct. The standoffs I am using do screw into each other... but since I found them in a box of old pc parts... I can't say for certain that they are all identical. Maybe I do have two different types screwed together like you suggested.

I am very sorry.
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