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I got one of the Intel servers a few weeks ago. I ultimately decided not to modify it, since the noise it generates from the basement is worst in my computer room but seldom bothers me even there. During a parity check of UnRAID the other day, not a single drive hit over 29 degrees C. I've had a few drive failures with my homemade UnRAID servers - most likely because temps ran about 15-20 degrees hotter. The SuperMicro is not only cooler, it's also considerably faster than my homemade server. It's one of the best electronic deals I've ever run across.
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So looks like I'm getting one of the amd servers, quad 1.8 Has anyone used this for transcoding via plex? I've looked around and not seen any real results on how well it works. I plan to switch to MB3 once it is released for a fully unified system but for now I use plex for remotely watching videos and media browser for everything else.

I've got a couple options.

Upgrade to a six core 1.8-2.0 chip

Add a 2nd quad 1.8

Upgrade to a quad 2.7 (or 2)

I don't want to go too overkill since a majority of the time it will just be acting as a file server but I do need it to be able to transcode on the fly. Any advice from people that have one of these would be appreciated!
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Cool and Intel CPU Specs?
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

BTW, these AMD Opteron Quad Cores are super cool running. At idle with the stock fan they run at 12c. That is nothing.

Are you running your server in a refrigerated enviorment? 12C is well below normal room temperature.
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Originally Posted by mcturkey View Post

Are you running your server in a refrigerated enviorment? 12C is well below normal room temperature.

Nope. Air temp in the house is 78F. This is the temp reported with CoreTemp so I am assuming its accurate....but you know what they say about assuming.
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BTW... I know the temp is wrong but I got a kick out of it....never seen CoreTemp report temps so way off.
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

Nope. Air temp in the house is 78F. This is the temp reported with CoreTemp so I am assuming its accurate....but you know what they say about assuming.

Thank God I don't live with you! biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by NewOrlnsDukie View Post

Thank God I don't live with you! biggrin.gif

Too hot for ya? When the outside temp is 110-115F, 78F is quite cold, Besides, for every 2 degrees lower our energy bill goes up by $50-75. It's enough that we pay $300-450 between June-Oct.
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Okay, I have another question regarding the PSU and fans.

I've read in detail in the past pages of this thread on the PSU and quieting the system. While I can easily replace the stock redundant PSU's and add an ATX supply, I was curious if anyone has tried the PWS-920P-1R 920W high-efficiency PSU which is 80 Plus certified, but was curious if its quieter than the 900w supply. I could simply just leave one of the redundant supplies in place since it will be plugged into a UPS anyway. Newegg has the 920P for about $160: PWS-920P-1R 920W A similar ATX supply of about the same wattage is about the same price if you find one on a good deal.

I'm still trying to decide whether to replace the 80mm case fans with quieter ones. I set the fan control to 'Workstation' mode in the BIOS which has reduced the noise quite a bit but wonder if I should see about quieting them further. I live in a basement apartment so it stays fairly cool down here (around 65 F) even in the summertime and found a spot where I can place the server where I won't have to worry about heat too much. Plus I can close the utility door where I can't really hear the server much anyway in the main viewing area.
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Originally Posted by wraslor View Post

So looks like I'm getting one of the amd servers, quad 1.8 Has anyone used this for transcoding via plex? I've looked around and not seen any real results on how well it works. I plan to switch to MB3 once it is released for a fully unified system...

Just got my server a few days ago (woohoo!) and I had the same questions... I've been eyeing the 2419s on eBay, but then realized there are EE version and non-EE, with a significant price difference
BTW, thanks for mentioning Media Browser 3, been unaware of the major developments in the MB camp. With this server I have the opportunity to "reboot" my entire media network, and I've been mulling over what software combination to use for the last few months...any inputs would be greatly appreciated!

Server OS: Server 2012 Essentials -or- WHS 2011 -or- Amahi (familiar with WHS'11, haven't tried the other two yet)
Media server software: Plex -or- XBMC (server just acts as a NAS essentially) -or- MB3 (familiar with XBMC and older version of MB/WMC)
Clients: 2x HTPC (Win7), Android phones/tablets, iPhone, Roku

Priorities:
- some sort of drive pooling solution (Storage spaces, greyhole, or StableBit Drivepool) that allows for folder duplication
- Single, unified media library on the server (transcoding is a plus, as well as web interface)
- PVR capability using HDHomeRun (big minus for Plex, unknown for MB3??)
- Netflix access

Thanks in advance for any helpful feedback/suggestions!
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Originally Posted by AVTechMan View Post

Okay, I have another question regarding the PSU and fans.

I've read in detail in the past pages of this thread on the PSU and quieting the system. While I can easily replace the stock redundant PSU's and add an ATX supply, I was curious if anyone has tried the PWS-920P-1R 920W high-efficiency PSU which is 80 Plus certified, but was curious if its quieter than the 900w supply. I could simply just leave one of the redundant supplies in place since it will be plugged into a UPS anyway. Newegg has the 920P for about $160: PWS-920P-1R 920W A similar ATX supply of about the same wattage is about the same price if you find one on a good deal.

Unless you really think you need the redundancy, go with a standard high efficiency PSU. It'll be much quieter and you'll only have one PSU drawing power.
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Originally Posted by AVTechMan View Post

I'm still trying to decide whether to replace the 80mm case fans with quieter ones. I set the fan control to 'Workstation' mode in the BIOS which has reduced the noise quite a bit but wonder if I should see about quieting them further. I live in a basement apartment so it stays fairly cool down here (around 65 F) even in the summertime and found a spot where I can place the server where I won't have to worry about heat too much. Plus I can close the utility door where I can't really hear the server much anyway in the main viewing area.

It makes a huge difference, I could hear the stock fans through the fire door to my garage. With the quiet fans I replaced them with I can't hear a thing. Your other option is to do the 140mm fan mod.
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Originally Posted by AVTechMan View Post

Okay, I have another question regarding the PSU and fans.

I've read in detail in the past pages of this thread on the PSU and quieting the system. While I can easily replace the stock redundant PSU's and add an ATX supply, I was curious if anyone has tried the PWS-920P-1R 920W high-efficiency PSU which is 80 Plus certified, but was curious if its quieter than the 900w supply. I could simply just leave one of the redundant supplies in place since it will be plugged into a UPS anyway. Newegg has the 920P for about $160: PWS-920P-1R 920W A similar ATX supply of about the same wattage is about the same price if you find one on a good deal.

I'm still trying to decide whether to replace the 80mm case fans with quieter ones. I set the fan control to 'Workstation' mode in the BIOS which has reduced the noise quite a bit but wonder if I should see about quieting them further. I live in a basement apartment so it stays fairly cool down here (around 65 F) even in the summertime and found a spot where I can place the server where I won't have to worry about heat too much. Plus I can close the utility door where I can't really hear the server much anyway in the main viewing area.
Go back and look at the posts I put up with photos and my assessment of the various cooling options. The easiest and cheapest by far was to use a fan controller to quiet the fans and still maintain a decent air flow. If you don't want a fan controller sitting on top of the case, then consider either the 120mm or 140 mm fan mod.
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FYI for those considering the Norco fan wall mod - you cannot do this unless you are changing the PSU to a standard ATX type as well.

The OEM PSUs included have a circuit board that sticks out past where the OEM fan wall goes, so there is no way to make the Norco fit without removing that board and OEM PSU.

Just another FYI - the 2 servers I ordered did not come with drive tray screws, second CPU heatsink+fan, or the second boot drive tray that mounts to the OEM PSU. If you require any of these items, be sure to contact them before shipment so they can throw it in for you.
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Unless you don't care about the server sounding like a jet engine with the afterburners on, most people will likely swap out the included PSUs for a standard PSU. Looking at the photos in the first post as well as the ones I posted, it becomes pretty clear that the Norco fan wall won't fit with the stock PSU.
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Originally Posted by mju View Post

Just got my server a few days ago (woohoo!) and I had the same questions... I've been eyeing the 2419s on eBay, but then realized there are EE version and non-EE, with a significant price difference
BTW, thanks for mentioning Media Browser 3, been unaware of the major developments in the MB camp. With this server I have the opportunity to "reboot" my entire media network, and I've been mulling over what software combination to use for the last few months...any inputs would be greatly appreciated!

Server OS: Server 2012 Essentials -or- WHS 2011 -or- Amahi (familiar with WHS'11, haven't tried the other two yet)
Media server software: Plex -or- XBMC (server just acts as a NAS essentially) -or- MB3 (familiar with XBMC and older version of MB/WMC)
Clients: 2x HTPC (Win7), Android phones/tablets, iPhone, Roku

Priorities:
- some sort of drive pooling solution (Storage spaces, greyhole, or StableBit Drivepool) that allows for folder duplication
- Single, unified media library on the server (transcoding is a plus, as well as web interface)
- PVR capability using HDHomeRun (big minus for Plex, unknown for MB3??)
- Netflix access

Thanks in advance for any helpful feedback/suggestions!

I upgraded the processor to the 2419, and have trouble transcoding full BR rips for my iPhones/ ipads through Plex. But there is one caveat -- I ended up getting two 2419's, and installed the 2nd one as well, but I'm using WHS 2011 (was thinking about switching to Windows 7, as I have an extra license). So I'm not able to use the 2nd processor or 2 of the 6 cores on the first one (WHS 2011 maxes out at 4 cores and 8GB RAM).

If I weren't so far into it at this point (I have a 50TB Flexraid server on it, and really would rather not go through setting it up again under a Windows 7 build), I could tell you how 2 2419's would do with Plex transcoding. But I have an 8-core mac pro on the LAN as well. So I just use it as my transcoding server for Plex (whenever I use my iOS devices, for example), and use Plex MS on my server to stream media to my mac HTPC's. And I also have MB3 server beta installed on it as well (for my Windows HTPC's).
Edited by NewOrlnsDukie - 5/28/13 at 1:09pm
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Originally Posted by captain_video View Post

Go back and look at the posts I put up with photos and my assessment of the various cooling options. The easiest and cheapest by far was to use a fan controller to quiet the fans and still maintain a decent air flow. If you don't want a fan controller sitting on top of the case, then consider either the 120mm or 140 mm fan mod.

I'd probably go with the fan controller option since the stock fans work very well. According to the fan readings in IPMI the speeds are 4-5000 RPMs (in workstation mode). How low speed-wise were you able to go with the fan controller and still get good air flow?
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Originally Posted by AVTechMan View Post

I'd probably go with the fan controller option since the stock fans work very well. According to the fan readings in IPMI the speeds are 4-5000 RPMs (in workstation mode). How low speed-wise were you able to go with the fan controller and still get good air flow?

I never measured the actual fan speed. The Zalman controller I was using has multi-color LEDs that switch from blue to red when it drops from the high to medium speed range. I just tweaked mine until they just turned red. This was enough to reduce the noise to a tolerable level and still maintain a decent air flow. You can see the screen shots of my drive temps I posted previously to compare the stock temps with the various fan mods I tried. There are lots of other controllers that provide digital readouts, but they're considerably more expensive.
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Originally Posted by NewOrlnsDukie View Post

I upgraded the processor to the 2419, and have trouble transcoding full BR rips for my iPhones/ ipads through Plex. But there is one caveat -- I ended up getting two 2419's, and installed the 2nd one as well, but I'm using WHS 2011 (was thinking about switching to Windows 7, as I have an extra license). So I'm not able to use the 2nd processor or 2 of the 6 cores on the first one (WHS 2011 maxes out at 4 cores and 8GB RAM).

If I weren't so far into it at this point (I have a 50TB Flexraid server on it, and really would rather not go through setting it up again under a Windows 7 build), I could tell you how 2 2419's would do with Plex transcoding. But I have an 8-core mac pro on the LAN as well. So I just use it as my transcoding server for Plex (whenever I use my iOS devices, for example), and use Plex MS on my server to stream media to my mac HTPC's. And I also have MB3 server beta installed on it as well (for my Windows HTPC's).

I picked up 2x 2423 HE's (link: www.ebay.com/itm/150910880710) and am going to be running 2008 R2 with Hyper-V. One of the vm's will be Plex MS and I will see how the transcoding goes smile.gif

I was going to get the 2419's, but I sent the above seller an offer of $90 for 2, which they accepted. I figured the extra 200 MHz was worth another dollar biggrin.gif
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Snagged 2 of the 2419's for 20 bucks I'll report back on those as well!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/130918012632?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 for anyone looking for a pair.
Edited by wraslor - 5/29/13 at 4:58pm
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Cool!!! Newegg has the Corsair HX850 for $169 but with $40 in total rebates you get a real nice PSU for under $130. Picked one up for my AIC box that I never modded.
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Okay, since not much has been said about the mounting rails for the SC846TQ-900B case I figure I can at least shed a little light on it.

I recently had ordered the MCP-290-00058-0N Rail kit which was tool-less and from according to the SM site was listed as an optional rail kit. Well unfortunately I have found that this kit will NOT fit the 846 chassis. Its made for the 2U and 3U based chassis. See pics below:







So unfortunately I will have to return the 00058's and order the 00057's, which are the 4U rail mounting kit and is standard parts according to the specs on SM's site. Anyone that has the 846 chassis should take note on how the hooks on the side of the case is. The inner rail is supposed to slide and lock onto the hooks, and then screwed in.

Hope this helps those that are not sure or confused on the proper rail kit for the SC846 series chassis.
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The MCP-290-00057-0N Rail kit does not fit on the 846 as well, I just received one today will have to return it.

If I am not mistaken the only difference between the 00057 and 00058 is the length. There is an older rail kit (MCP-290-00014-00) that is listed in Supermicro site but I cannot find it in stock anywhere.
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Originally Posted by ja00 View Post

The MCP-290-00057-0N Rail kit does not fit on the 846 as well, I just received one today will have to return it.

If I am not mistaken the only difference between the 00057 and 00058 is the length. There is an older rail kit (MCP-290-00014-00) that is listed in Supermicro site but I cannot find it in stock anywhere.

Well now that sucks...if neither the 57 nor 58's fit, then what kit does? I guess if nothing else will just have to get a shelf for the rack to house the server in. Do you have pics of the 057's?

Thanks for posting this...I just saved myself about $75 (and no its not with switching to Geico either)!
Edited by AVTechMan - 5/30/13 at 12:31am
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Well F@ck me sideways!!!! I have both versions en-route to me as we speak. I bought the 58s before finding out they were the wrong ones. Bought the 57s thinking those would work. Now I have to RMA both. I think the shipping back will be more than just keeping one.
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Those would work but be very careful pulling the case out as they are very front heavy when fully loaded. You will definitely need to unload the drives before pulling them out....even then you have to be careful as the case are heavy and I would not use those when placing the case above chest level.
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I think I would feel safer with one of these:

http://www.provantage.com/startech-adjshelfhdv~7STR92L0.htm

or

http://www.provantage.com/startech-adjshelfhd~7STR92KY.htm

You lose 1U but they are a lot sturdier.
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Originally Posted by ja00 View Post

There is an older rail kit (MCP-290-00014-00) that is listed in Supermicro site but I cannot find it in stock anywhere.

Supermicro just confirmed that these are older boxes and require the MCP-290-00014-00 rails.
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

Supermicro just confirmed that these are older boxes and require the MCP-290-00014-00 rails.

I had figured these were older boxes. The 014's will be really hard to find, so I think I will just go with the shelf option in your last post. Not like the server will be moved that often anyway.
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Originally Posted by AVTechMan View Post

I had figured these were older boxes. The 014's will be really hard to find, so I think I will just go with the shelf option in your last post. Not like the server will be moved that often anyway.

Yeah, since I was a dumbass and bought both sets from two different places I checked and both those places carry the shelves so I'll just RMA them and get an exchange for the shelves. Almost even money. Also solves my rail problem with the AIC box (those are hard to find too).
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