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post #1591 of 2256
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Originally Posted by Jobber8742 View Post

So, I'm pretty lost on what UPS to select for this machine. I decided against my original plan of using it unmodified. I'm upgrading the processor to dual AMD Opteron 2419s, putting in 4 sticks of 2GB DDR2 RAM, using a Corsair HX850, 3 Arctic Cooling F12s, and 2 Arctic Cooling F8s. Everything else is the stock AMD Supermicro currently being offered. Is this enough to meet my needs of basically shutting down the system properly in the event of a power outage: CyberPower-CP1500PFCLCD or do I need more power?

That UPS is more than enough. I've got a 900W UPS with the Intel version of the original AIC server with 12 drives, as well as two enterprise-grade switches, two other servers running virtualization workloads, and a Unifi 802.11n AP, and the combined load (490-550W depending on disk activity) still allows for 8-9 minutes of runtime during an outage.
post #1592 of 2256
has anyone got the correct rails yet?

the MCP-290-00014-00 after a quick google brings up a bunch of websites that I have never ordered from.

Thanks
post #1593 of 2256
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Originally Posted by FantaXP7 View Post

has anyone got the correct rails yet?

the MCP-290-00014-00 after a quick google brings up a bunch of websites that I have never ordered from.

Thanks

Yeah, I could not find the 014-00 rails on any reputable retailer so I just ended up getting the 1U shelf instead. I think the old rails are completely gone.
post #1594 of 2256
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Originally Posted by FantaXP7 View Post

has anyone got the correct rails yet?

the MCP-290-00014-00 after a quick google brings up a bunch of websites that I have never ordered from.

Thanks

One poster (AlphaG) has the 014 rails....I asked him to post a pic of them when he gets a chance. These rails unfortunately are really hard to find, which is why I was considering the shelf option.
post #1595 of 2256
thanks guys.

It's a bit alarming when the first hit on google was sears.com smile.gif

Oh well.
post #1596 of 2256
as I remember during waiting in the queue for 4U SM last year on the second batch.
Tams offered me $20 for the rail.

I guess, check with Tams first, if they have available rails for 4U SM
post #1597 of 2256
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Originally Posted by cantalup View Post

as I remember during waiting in the queue for 4U SM last year on the second batch.
Tams offered me $20 for the rail.

I guess, check with Tams first, if they have available rails for 4U SM

I checked with Andy from TAMs after finding out that the -00057 and -00058 does not fit. Here is the reply:

"Oh no! Sorry that they did not fit! We unfortunately did not get any rails with these servers. I had the same part # of mcp-290-00058-on as the correct part # too! I guess I wont tell anyone else that part # now. I wonder if a call to Supermicro might be of help, they may be able to help you. Sorry I couldnt be of more assistance!
Thanks
Andy"

Same with the others I used a 1U fixed shelf instead.
post #1598 of 2256
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Originally Posted by ja00 View Post

I checked with Andy from TAMs after finding out that the -00057 and -00058 does not fit. Here is the reply:

"Oh no! Sorry that they did not fit! We unfortunately did not get any rails with these servers. I had the same part # of mcp-290-00058-on as the correct part # too! I guess I wont tell anyone else that part # now. I wonder if a call to Supermicro might be of help, they may be able to help you. Sorry I couldnt be of more assistance!
Thanks
Andy"

Same with the others I used a 1U fixed shelf instead.

That's too bad. I figured that may have been the case. I got a little optimistic after seeing that someone got them from TAM.

Oh well.
post #1599 of 2256
Hi Everyone
Thanks to all of you who have purchased these servers! Its been a pleasure to work with you all. I just wanted to update you and let you know that we have reached the end of the waitlist for the Supermicro servers! We still have quite a few left so if you are new to the thread or are ready for another send me an email at tamsolutions@hotmail.com and I will give you the details of what we have available. Thanks again!
Andy
Tams
post #1600 of 2256
I am thinking of getting one more server, and from the email I was sent yesterday from Andy I am looking at getting this one:

Motherboard: X7DBE-X
1x Intel DC 2.0GHz 5130
8GB RAM
1x Kira 100 IPMI Card
3x Emacs M1W-6500P power supplies

This one's for the $199 price and thinking of trying this server to test using ESXi on, provided that its compatible with the board. Is anyone using the SM X7DBE-X board which is Intel based? I've read some older posts in the thread that its good. Plus, I am sure the Emacs M1W-6500P PSU's are pretty loud so may have to replace those too.
post #1601 of 2256
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Originally Posted by AVTechMan View Post

I am thinking of getting one more server, and from the email I was sent yesterday from Andy I am looking at getting this one:

Motherboard: X7DBE-X
1x Intel DC 2.0GHz 5130
8GB RAM
1x Kira 100 IPMI Card
3x Emacs M1W-6500P power supplies

This one's for the $199 price and thinking of trying this server to test using ESXi on, provided that its compatible with the board. Is anyone using the SM X7DBE-X board which is Intel based? I've read some older posts in the thread that its good. Plus, I am sure the Emacs M1W-6500P PSU's are pretty loud so may have to replace those too.

I have two of those motherboards. They are great and cool running. The only problem with the board is not the board itself but the 771 socket. Make sure you don't break the CPU heatsink as they are not easy to find. The fan on the heatsink is a bit loud but not that bad.
post #1602 of 2256
What chasis comes with it?
post #1603 of 2256
its the AIC Chassis i believe i just got 2 but be warned it may not come with a fan wall and its a pain in the but to take apart. If i wasn't going to do the 6 card mod, i would of got the AMD Verison.
post #1604 of 2256
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Originally Posted by davidtt485 View Post

its a pain in the but to take apart.

^understatement of the year winner. wink.gif
post #1605 of 2256
I'm thinking of getting one just for the chasis
post #1606 of 2256
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Originally Posted by AVTechMan View Post

I am thinking of getting one more server, and from the email I was sent yesterday from Andy I am looking at getting this one:

Motherboard: X7DBE-X
1x Intel DC 2.0GHz 5130
8GB RAM
1x Kira 100 IPMI Card
3x Emacs M1W-6500P power supplies

This one's for the $199 price and thinking of trying this server to test using ESXi on, provided that its compatible with the board. Is anyone using the SM X7DBE-X board which is Intel based? I've read some older posts in the thread that its good. Plus, I am sure the Emacs M1W-6500P PSU's are pretty loud so may have to replace those too.

I have one of AIC server:D. you can run esxi without issue, solid as a tank., but you have to add more memory where raise power consumption (FB-DIMM memory stick is a mini heather hehehe).

I use the board with 4G memory as a backup server with 3 pci-X sata cards, this is pretty solid. I can turn on remotely via remote(ipmi). the systetm is runing ZoL on Centos 6.3

PSU is very loud!.... I replace with 2U PSU from new egg $99..oh well.. and modded with norco fan wall and reuse (modded) the original motherboard tray.
post #1607 of 2256
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

Loaded the new box with the 24 drives from my AIC box and all I can say is....Damn!!!! This thing is quiet even with all drives spinning. I have decided that the other 4 boxes are going to get the exact same fan treatment.

Hey bud,
Do you think this will work with the Supermicro case?
I am liking your idea of 3 140mm fans, that way I won't have to drill anything... Do you know if this will be a perfect fit for the supermicro case as well?
Also, which fans did you use to make the system so quiet?

And am I correct that the only thing you did was place the 3 140mm fans and replace the PSU?

Thanks so much
post #1608 of 2256
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Originally Posted by maxse View Post

Hey bud,
Do you think this will work with the Supermicro case?
I am liking your idea of 3 140mm fans, that way I won't have to drill anything... Do you know if this will be a perfect fit for the supermicro case as well?
Also, which fans did you use to make the system so quiet?

And am I correct that the only thing you did was place the 3 140mm fans and replace the PSU?

Thanks so much

That is the SM case. I just moved the drives from my previous AIC case.

The 140mm fans are these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233031

I just finished the AIC case but did something completely different but the SM is a lot easier to MOD. It can be done in a couple of hours and the only thing that needs to be replaced is the fans and the PSU. Easy, peezy.
post #1609 of 2256
I plan on doing the 3 140mm fans, but becuase i am combining 2 AIC cases i will have alot more room for my psu in the upper enclosure. The AIC case is a pain, because it centers the motherboard not really leaving any room for a psu on either side. And if you move the the motherboard you will need to move the stand offs and get a new back plate. The only real reason to get the AIC case right now is if you need the 6 pci x slots, and the only reason you would need those is if you wanted to make a 48 bay server by combining two units. The AMD supermicro version is the one to get if you want to only use 24 bays, plus the upgrading the processor in the amd version is a lot cheaper then upgrading the Xeons.

Killroy or someone else, is it possible to Run Windows 7 than virtualbox whs 2011 and pf sense?? I want windows 7 as host because i want to run flexraid and XBMC to keep the library. My concern is the PF sense part and the built in NICS.
post #1610 of 2256
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Originally Posted by davidtt485 View Post

Killroy or someone else, is it possible to Run Windows 7 than virtualbox whs 2011 and pf sense?? I want windows 7 as host because i want to run flexraid and XBMC to keep the library. My concern is the PF sense part and the built in NICS.

I am running W7 Ultimate with no issues but have no idea about pfsense. BTW, my parity running is SnapRAID and its very quick & smooth.
post #1611 of 2256
Do the cards that come with it really run around SATA 2 speeds or are they alot slower?
post #1612 of 2256
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Originally Posted by davidtt485 View Post

Do the cards that come with it really run around SATA 2 speeds or are they alot slower?

I can saturate my gigabit network when transferring to drives and transfers between drives are averaging around 90-110MB/s. SnapRAID reports 201-215MB/s parity builds.
post #1613 of 2256
Well, I wanted to do a small update regarding the redundant PSU configuration in the SM 846 Chassis. I know most here have modded and replaced the redundant PSU's with the ATX PSU due to their loudness, but I decided to try something and ordered the SM PWS-920P-1R PSU for about $160 from Newegg, which was slightly cheaper than the HX 850 from Corsair. Plus its has the 80 Plus Platinum certification:





I replaced the 902 that came with the case and plugged this one in, plugged it up and this PSU is virtually SILENT! With the 902 PSU's you always heard the fan roar at full speed with the server powered down but with the 920 you cannot hardly hear anything. I had to put my ear up to the fan to make sure it was running (and it was).

Now its the matter of quieting the remaining fans on the fan wall and rear fans, in which I have gotten the Zalman 6-channel fan controller today so will be working with that. But for those who would like to keep the redundant PSU configuration in the 846 case, the 920 will be your best bet, plus its energy efficient with the 80 Plus Platinum.


I just finished ordering another server from Tams a few minutes ago, and this time I requested the screws for the drive trays be included. I may end up like Killroy before long!! biggrin.gif
Edited by AVTechMan - 6/20/13 at 11:35am
post #1614 of 2256
75A on the 12v rail. Looks good enough for me.
post #1615 of 2256
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Originally Posted by AVTechMan View Post

I may end up like Killroy before long!! biggrin.gif

I am up to 5 4U cases....its a sickness.
post #1616 of 2256
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Originally Posted by AVTechMan View Post

Well, I wanted to do a small update regarding the redundant PSU configuration in the SM 846 Chassis. I know most here have modded and replaced the redundant PSU's with the ATX PSU due to their loudness, but I decided to try something and ordered the SM PWS-920P-1R PSU for about $160 from Newegg, which was slightly cheaper than the HX 850 from Corsair. Plus its has the 80 Plus Platinum certification:





I replaced the 902 that came with the case and plugged this one in, plugged it up and this PSU is virtually SILENT! With the 902 PSU's you always heard the fan roar at full speed with the server powered down but with the 920 you cannot hardly hear anything. I had to put my ear up to the fan to make sure it was running (and it was).

Now its the matter of quieting the remaining fans on the fan wall and rear fans, in which I have gotten the Zalman 6-channel fan controller today so will be working with that. But for those who would like to keep the redundant PSU configuration in the 846 case, the 920 will be your best bet, plus its energy efficient with the 80 Plus Platinum.


I just finished ordering another server from Tams a few minutes ago, and this time I requested the screws for the drive trays be included. I may end up like Killroy before long!! biggrin.gif

Thanks for this report. I really want to keep redundancy so this is most likely what I will do.

As for the fans and the fan controller, are you planning on wiring the stock fans to the controller or something?
post #1617 of 2256
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Originally Posted by FantaXP7 View Post

Thanks for this report. I really want to keep redundancy so this is most likely what I will do.

As for the fans and the fan controller, are you planning on wiring the stock fans to the controller or something?

Good question. I've been reading some of Captain Video's posts on page 44-45 on this thread to figure out on how to control the noise in the server. One of the suggestions he made was to use the fan controller with the stock fans to tone down the noise. Well yesterday afternoon I got to do a test by connecting the Zalman controller to the five original stock fans. I had to modify the 3-pin male connector in order to fit the 4-pin fan connector but it was easy to do. One thing I have discovered, is that if any of the fans on the fan wall are disconnected from the motherboard header, the fan fail LED does not flash at all on the front panel. It only flashes if one of the two rear fans are not plugged into the header (which is what I used the in-line cables for).

Powered it on, and had the knobs turned to full speed, and sure enough the fans were loud, but as I monitored two of the rear fans in BIOS while turning down the knobs the noise gradually went down with it. It was spinning at about 2400 RPM at its lowest setting. Followed suit with the fans in the fan wall, and I tell you the noise level is greatly reduced to where its actually tolerable and still puts out decent air and still could not hear the PSU over the fans. From what I observed, when I powered down the server, the PSU fan powered down as well to its quiet level where you can't even hear it. It only spins up when the system is powered on under load. That's nice. But keep in mind this is just only one PSU I have installed in the case, so I would guess if both were in place they still shouldn't make much noise, especially when the server was powered down.

The server is going into the utility room once done, but as how I currently have it running, I can barely hear it one room over, and two rooms away can't really hear it at all. Next I need to work on a wiring plan for the controller and possibly get longer cables to make a neat wiring job, and I have a spare external optical drive enclosure to house the controller in. Don't have any hard drives for the server yet, but that is forthcoming. I may get another 920 pretty soon to keep the redundancy.
post #1618 of 2256
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Originally Posted by AVTechMan View Post

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I replaced the 902 that came with the case and plugged this one in, plugged it up and this PSU is virtually SILENT! With the 902 PSU's you always heard the fan roar at full speed with the server powered down but with the 920 you cannot hardly hear anything. I had to put my ear up to the fan to make sure it was running (and it was).
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on my understanding dealing with servers ( I am not a full admin, just developer that do this and that):
you need to test when the PSU has loads ( HDs and crunching processes) where the fan would kick in aka speeding RPM up


on server: 1U PSU is mostly noisy compare with >2U PSU


I have 2U PSU where is make a bit noise during crunching processes (esxi),not much noise, but will lower down RPM aka much silent..

replacing desktop PSU, is the best to reduce much PSU fan noises, as I see.

just a thought on PSU
post #1619 of 2256
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Originally Posted by cantalup View Post

on my understanding dealing with servers ( I am not a full admin, just developer that do this and that):
you need to test when the PSU has loads ( HDs and crunching processes) where the fan would kick in aka speeding RPM up


on server: 1U PSU is mostly noisy compare with >2U PSU


I have 2U PSU where is make a bit noise during crunching processes (esxi),not much noise, but will lower down RPM aka much silent..

replacing desktop PSU, is the best to reduce much PSU fan noises, as I see.

just a thought on PSU

Good point regarding the testing, but I may have a chance to do that soon once I install WS2012E and begin testing. Now that I have an OS drive I will work on that this weekend and test its performance. Of course those who have more elaborate setups with full drives may be able to better test it as well.
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I am hoping to have mine up and running next week or so. Does anyone know of a good PCI-E adapter to 8 pin motherboard?? Also for the other poster who is getting the AIC i just mounted my PSU and this should give you a good idea dimensionally why the PSU is such a pain in the but.
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