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I noticed a few are still looking for sas2008 LSI-8211-8i cards and I still have a few of the Dell Perc H200 / dell perc h310 rebranded ones with full size brackets if anyone is interested please feel free to shoot me a message!
Edited by BarryHalls - 9/27/13 at 2:30pm
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Got my third server today! But it wasn't from Tams this time it was from a forum member here (Robnix).

Supermicro server, with different MB in this one (X7DWE) and runs the Xeon E5405 Quad-core. I went ahead and added a second one as I am planning to use this as my main server and for transcoding. And since this board and CPU is compatible with ESXi, I have more options open to me now as compared to my other servers which aren't. Plus having the internal USB port is very handy to have either ESXi or unRAID on the USB stick. The backplane has SAS connections for the 8087 cables.

Next thing I need to do now, is to see about getting one of the IBM 1015 SAS cards (I have the 8087 cable that was included). Ebay I know sells them for $100 so I may have to wait two weeks to get one unfortunately since I have my rent due next week. Then I will be able to get some drives mounted in and make this my production server. And with the fan mods and PSU, this server is miles quieter, pulling about 140 watts from the wall, which isn't bad at all, but will increase as I add drives.

I believe the 1015 supports 3TB (hopefully 4TB) drives once flashed to IT mode, and I will have to dig in this thread somewhere to find the instructions for that.

I plan to give the AIC server I have to my brother so that I can get him started in the world in media servers. This kind of things can get addictive quick!
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Originally Posted by AVTechMan View Post



I believe the 1015 supports 3TB (hopefully 4TB) drives once flashed to IT mode, and I will have to dig in this thread somewhere to find the instructions for that.


3TB is no problem with IBM cards. No worries there.

There is instuctions in my server thread, I added some screen shots when I did mine (twice)

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1438027/mfusicks-how-to-build-an-affordable-30tb-flexraid-media-server-information-requested/1000_100

It's quote on that page^ and it's in there a couple times. There is a few of us flashed those so hit us up if you need help.

BTW,

Now I am using Dell cards (cheaper) with great success (I bricked my IBM mad.gif )

There is a couple guys here that will sell you a flashed DELL Card cheaper than an IBM on ebay (that you have to flash)
post #1864 of 2256
owners of this server... when you power up the beast, do all the drive tray lights power up, or just random ones?

Mine, i have a few in each column light up - but not all. i would think the should all sort of fire up and blink?
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Originally Posted by armedmetallica View Post

owners of this server... when you power up the beast, do all the drive tray lights power up, or just random ones?

Mine, i have a few in each column light up - but not all. i would think the should all sort of fire up and blink?

Are all the drives the same brand and model?
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no drives connected at all.... just powered it on right out of the shipping box. since some lit up red, i figured all should?
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If there is no drives connected there should be no lights. When drives are connected they light up during the spin up process which staggers using the stock cards.

They may blink with no drives but that should be it.
post #1868 of 2256
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

3TB is no problem with IBM cards. No worries there.

There is instuctions in my server thread, I added some screen shots when I did mine (twice)

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1438027/mfusicks-how-to-build-an-affordable-30tb-flexraid-media-server-information-requested/1000_100

It's quote on that page^ and it's in there a couple times. There is a few of us flashed those so hit us up if you need help.

BTW,

Now I am using Dell cards (cheaper) with great success (I bricked my IBM mad.gif )

There is a couple guys here that will sell you a flashed DELL Card cheaper than an IBM on ebay (that you have to flash)

What dell cards are those and the model no? And whom here would have them available? I would also like to know if the Dell cards are compatible with ESXi.

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Originally Posted by armedmetallica View Post

owners of this server... when you power up the beast, do all the drive tray lights power up, or just random ones?

Mine, i have a few in each column light up - but not all. i would think the should all sort of fire up and blink?

For the Supermicro servers, when first powered on usually all red lights will come on for a brief moment on most of the bays. Then the blue leds will light up if you have any drives installed.
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

If there is no drives connected there should be no lights. When drives are connected they light up during the spin up process which staggers using the stock cards.

They may blink with no drives but that should be it.

thanks - i was expecting them all to sort of blink.
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Originally Posted by AVTechMan View Post

For the Supermicro servers, when first powered on usually all red lights will come on for a brief moment on most of the bays. Then the blue leds will light up if you have any drives installed.

yeah - mine don't all turn on red. just some of them. i guess i'm spending the weekend testing each slot frown.gif
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Originally Posted by armedmetallica View Post

thanks - i was expecting them all to sort of blink.
yeah - mine don't all turn on red. just some of them. i guess i'm spending the weekend testing each slot frown.gif

All of the bays wont light red when you first power it on...that's normal. Does the same thing on my server as well.
post #1871 of 2256
On the SC846, all of the bays actually do (should) light up red. What you are likely seeing is the light pipes on the drive carriers without drives or dummy drives not lining up properly with the LEDs on the backplane. Mine also does this. The sides of the carriers bend in a bit, and that is all it takes for them not to line up. I was also concerned so I took all of the carriers out and looked in, and they all lit up red.
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Originally Posted by AVTechMan View Post

Well, I wanted to do a small update regarding the redundant PSU configuration in the SM 846 Chassis. I know most here have modded and replaced the redundant PSU's with the ATX PSU due to their loudness, but I decided to try something and ordered the SM PWS-920P-1R PSU for about $160 from Newegg, which was slightly cheaper than the HX 850 from Corsair. Plus its has the 80 Plus Platinum certification:

I replaced the 902 that came with the case and plugged this one in, plugged it up and this PSU is virtually SILENT! With the 902 PSU's you always heard the fan roar at full speed with the server powered down but with the 920 you cannot hardly hear anything. I had to put my ear up to the fan to make sure it was running (and it was).

I also got a pair of PWS-920P-1R power supplies and can verify that they are indeed virtually silent.
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Originally Posted by kireol View Post



Question #2: Does anyone happen to have comparison #'s with a kill-a-watt on the SM system with:

stock PSUs

vs

ATX PSU

and optionally vs

the quieter replacement PWS-920P-1R


I didn't test an ATX, but on my SC846 with no drives (even OS drive), (1) 2346HE, and the 3 SAT2-MV8s installed my kill-a-watt said:

With (2) Ablecom PWS-902-1R
60W off (power supplies on)
222W post
228W boot into hba's
210W wait for boot media

with (2) Supermicro PWS-920P-1R
18W off (power supplies on)
175W post
181W boot into hba's
164W wait for boot media
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I've discovered that some here use the Dell H200 SAS controller cards for the backplane. I have the 8087 cable, this card should be compatible with it correct? One cable should power all 24 bays from what I have read about the SAS connections. Will sure make for a neater interior without the numerous SATA cables. I could probably get either the M1015 or the Dell H200, is the H200 ESXi compatible?
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Originally Posted by AVTechMan View Post

I've discovered that some here use the Dell H200 SAS controller cards for the backplane. I have the 8087 cable, this card should be compatible with it correct? One cable should power all 24 bays from what I have read about the SAS connections. Will sure make for a neater interior without the numerous SATA cables. I could probably get either the M1015 or the Dell H200, is the H200 ESXi compatible?

It's the same LSI 2008 chipset as the M1015.

Flashing instructions:

http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?t=1045376
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Originally Posted by AVTechMan View Post

I've discovered that some here use the Dell H200 SAS controller cards for the backplane. I have the 8087 cable, this card should be compatible with it correct? One cable should power all 24 bays from what I have read about the SAS connections. Will sure make for a neater interior without the numerous SATA cables. I could probably get either the M1015 or the Dell H200, is the H200 ESXi compatible?

Hey dude,

Sorry I don't follow this thread much (I ended up just buying a norco 4420 tongue.gif ) so jump into my server thread or shoot me a PM if you need specific help.

Yes- I use the DELL cards now. I used the IBM. I used one DELL and one IBM at the same time too. Now I have two DELL's in my server. Either IBM or DELL will work. Both run HOT ! (like burn your hand hot)

There is a thread around here about the DELL cards, and some talk in my server threads pages back when I installed mine (twice) Flashing instructions for both are pretty easy.

Andy Steb is probably one of you best contacts here at AVS- he's a flash pro and really helped me. He might have a card for sale, he bailed me out and sold me one quick when I bricked my IBM (moved it when machine was on and fried it ). I bought two DELL cards from him and he shipped the next morning both times. Prices likely cheaper than IBM and he would probably pre flash it for you for nearly nothing compared to the risk and your own time doing it yourself.

Techmattr is also a good contact- I have not personally bought one from him but he has a webpage devoted to flashing the cards (both) and has done some testing with various bios and such. He actually has discovered a few caveats with the Dell cards where you need to do it a certain way and use a certain file- otherwise you get errors. Luckily Andy Steb seems to have done it the right way- he used the right files and my cards are perfect. Techmatt would likely also sell you a pre-flashed card too.

That might be the easiest way to go. I paypal them as a gift so they can avoid the paypal fees since I know them on the forum here and trust them. I'll say you could do the same. biggrin.gif Both those guys are legit.

Here is techmattr page:

http://techmattr.wordpress.com/

And this is him here:

http://www.avsforum.com/u/8495709/techmattr

This is Andy Steb:

http://www.avsforum.com/u/7482132/andy-steb


You will notice the little piece of sticky tape on one of the contact of the PCI card ???
300_8881.jpg?w=450&h=300
That originated in my server thread eek.gif I think Andy was the first to figure that out, and it passed on. Now you see it popping up on other places, but you know where it started wink.gif I was able to pull the tape off the contact and get the DELL to boot up fine.

What motherboard are you using ? I had to mess with my BIOS on my Z77 asrock to get the DELL card to work, but the IBM installed onto every machine automatically.
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

Hey dude,

Sorry I don't follow this thread much (I ended up just buying a norco 4420 tongue.gif ) so jump into my server thread or shoot me a PM if you need specific help.

Yes- I use the DELL cards now. I used the IBM. I used one DELL and one IBM at the same time too. Now I have two DELL's in my server. Either IBM or DELL will work. Both run HOT ! (like burn your hand hot)

There is a thread around here about the DELL cards, and some talk in my server threads pages back when I installed mine (twice) Flashing instructions for both are pretty easy.

Andy Steb is probably one of you best contacts here at AVS- he's a flash pro and really helped me. He might have a card for sale, he bailed me out and sold me one quick when I bricked my IBM (moved it when machine was on and fried it ). I bought two DELL cards from him and he shipped the next morning both times. Prices likely cheaper than IBM and he would probably pre flash it for you for nearly nothing compared to the risk and your own time doing it yourself.

Techmattr is also a good contact- I have not personally bought one from him but he has a webpage devoted to flashing the cards (both) and has done some testing with various bios and such. He actually has discovered a few caveats with the Dell cards where you need to do it a certain way and use a certain file- otherwise you get errors. Luckily Andy Steb seems to have done it the right way- he used the right files and my cards are perfect. Techmatt would likely also sell you a pre-flashed card too.

That might be the easiest way to go. I paypal them as a gift so they can avoid the paypal fees since I know them on the forum here and trust them. I'll say you could do the same. biggrin.gif Both those guys are legit.

Here is techmattr page:

http://techmattr.wordpress.com/

And this is him here:

http://www.avsforum.com/u/8495709/techmattr

This is Andy Steb:

http://www.avsforum.com/u/7482132/andy-steb


You will notice the little piece of sticky tape on one of the contact of the PCI card ???
300_8881.jpg?w=450&h=300
That originated in my server thread eek.gif I think Andy was the first to figure that out, and it passed on. Now you see it popping up on other places, but you know where it started wink.gif I was able to pull the tape off the contact and get the DELL to boot up fine.

What motherboard are you using ? I had to mess with my BIOS on my Z77 asrock to get the DELL card to work, but the IBM installed onto every machine automatically.

Appreciate the info Mfusick, i'll send Andy a PM on the cards. The motherboard this is going in is the Supermicro X7DWE which has the SAS846 EL2 backplane, so either the M1015 or the Dell should work.
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Not sure if you saw Techmattr's other thread ?? He might sell you a tricked out flashed DELL card like these:
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Originally Posted by techmattr View Post

Be the coolest dork on the block with this HBA!







biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

Not sure if you saw Techmattr's other thread ?? He might sell you a tricked out flashed DELL card like these:
biggrin.gif

Nice!! I'll check out his thread. smile.gif
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Hello everyone, new member here and I would just like to say thanks to everyone for sharing your ideas and info regarding the tams' servers. I purchased the 24bay supermicro case from tams about 1 1/2 months ago and just finished some of the mods listed in this thread. I upgraded the cpu to a 2419 EE, upped the memory and swapped out the redundant psus for a corsair hx750. I tested everything upon receiving the server, upgraded the motherboard bios to the latest and saw that the hba's all had bios 1.0b (and is the latest as far as I can tell) so I left them alone. I ran memtest for 3 passes on the memory and all good (shouldn't matter anyway because it's all ecc right?) I tested every drive bay and verified that the hba's discover a drive in each bay during the initial boot up sequence scan. So all is well and I installed windows 7 ultimate x64 and then proceeded to install the sonet drivers for the SAT2-MV8 hba's and this is where the problem begins... The first hba listed in device manager will install successfully, then the other 2 dont install and just stay listed as SCSI controller. If I view the SCSI controller properties it says "the drivers for this device are not installed (Code 28)". If I attempt to install the same sonet driver to either of the hba's the driver begins to install and then windows completely locks up requiring a hard reset and then the following boots windows just locks up on the "loading" screen and the only way I found to fix this is to do a system repair and system restore but that brings me back to square 1, a fresh install of win 7. So I then removed all drives from the hot swap bays and reinstalled win 7 and same thing, I tried resetting the bios to optimal settings and reinstalled windows and same thing. meh :( at this point I am thinking maybe faulty hba's but then why would they work and detect a drive on every port during the boot up sequence. Anyone have any ideas cuz I am stumped.

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flank2, this is a long shot but have you tried updating the motherboard's BIOS? If there is an update available, try the update, then clear CMOS, then see if that works for you...
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Originally Posted by flank2 View Post

Hello everyone, new member here and I would just like to say thanks to everyone for sharing your ideas and info regarding the tams' servers. I purchased the 24bay supermicro case from tams about 1 1/2 months ago and just finished some of the mods listed in this thread. I upgraded the cpu to a 2419 EE, upped the memory and swapped out the redundant psus for a corsair hx750. I tested everything upon receiving the server, upgraded the motherboard bios to the latest and saw that the hba's all had bios 1.0b (and is the latest as far as I can tell) so I left them alone. I ran memtest for 3 passes on the memory and all good (shouldn't matter anyway because it's all ecc right?) I tested every drive bay and verified that the hba's discover a drive in each bay during the initial boot up sequence scan. So all is well and I installed windows 7 ultimate x64 and then proceeded to install the sonet drivers for the SAT2-MV8 hba's and this is where the problem begins... The first hba listed in device manager will install successfully, then the other 2 dont install and just stay listed as SCSI controller. If I view the SCSI controller properties it says "the drivers for this device are not installed (Code 28)". If I attempt to install the same sonet driver to either of the hba's the driver begins to install and then windows completely locks up requiring a hard reset and then the following boots windows just locks up on the "loading" screen and the only way I found to fix this is to do a system repair and system restore but that brings me back to square 1, a fresh install of win 7. So I then removed all drives from the hot swap bays and reinstalled win 7 and same thing, I tried resetting the bios to optimal settings and reinstalled windows and same thing. meh frown.gif at this point I am thinking maybe faulty hba's but then why would they work and detect a drive on every port during the boot up sequence. Anyone have any ideas cuz I am stumped.

Though I haven't used W7 on my servers, when it comes to installing the Sonnet drivers, I have done them in the Device Manager, which you have probably done (by selecting Update Driver and picking the appropriate folder). In my case, I use Server 2008 R2 and with the SAT2-MV8's, before the driver is installed, the LED lights on the controller cards will stay on until the drivers are installed. Once done then the lights go out. The controller cards will always detect what hard drives are connected to what ports during booting, but the OS needs the drivers to communicate with the controllers (obviously).

You may want to talk to Killroy, a member here and he has Windows 7 installed on his server and runs it trouble-free.
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Originally Posted by maxleung View Post

flank2, this is a long shot but have you tried updating the motherboard's BIOS? If there is an update available, try the update, then clear CMOS, then see if that works for you...

 

I will try this after work. I am going to disconnect the power cord from the psu, remove the cmos battery and push the power button several times, this should do the trick right?

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Though I haven't used W7 on my servers, when it comes to installing the Sonnet drivers, I have done them in the Device Manager, which you have probably done (by selecting Update Driver and picking the appropriate folder). In my case, I use Server 2008 R2 and with the SAT2-MV8's, before the driver is installed, the LED lights on the controller cards will stay on until the drivers are installed. Once done then the lights go out. The controller cards will always detect what hard drives are connected to what ports during booting, but the OS needs the drivers to communicate with the controllers (obviously).

You may want to talk to Killroy, a member here and he has Windows 7 installed on his server and runs it trouble-free.

I was installing the drives through device manager like you said. I don't recall what the drive led's flashed when the bays were empty but when I have my ~14 drives installed random led's will work and other will not. I know that the OS needs drivers in order to function with hardware but I am rather stumped with this because all 3 of my hba's will detect a drive on each port, so it's functioning in the post but windows isn't playing nice :( If the clear cmos doesnt work i'm gonna have to test each card 1 at a time in each pcix port and go from there.

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Originally Posted by flank2 View Post

I will try this after work. I am going to disconnect the power cord from the psu, remove the cmos battery and push the power button several times, this should do the trick right?
I was installing the drives through device manager like you said. I don't recall what the drive led's flashed when the bays were empty but when I have my ~14 drives installed random led's will work and other will not. I know that the OS needs drivers in order to function with hardware but I am rather stumped with this because all 3 of my hba's will detect a drive on each port, so it's functioning in the post but windows isn't playing nice frown.gif If the clear cmos doesnt work i'm gonna have to test each card 1 at a time in each pcix port and go from there.

Actually I was referring to the lights on the HBA cards...the amber and green lights on each one that stays on until the driver is installed. When installed they will go out on each one. Yeah I would try each card one by one to make sure that all of them are functional as they should.

And welcome to the forum! You'll find a wealth of info here.
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flank2, don't forget to check for a new BIOS as well! Good luck.
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I FIXED IT :)

ok so I did a cmos reset and nothing. So then I began to test each SAT2-MV8 individually and each worked and installed the sonet driver automatically upon boot. Then I tested 2 together and loading into windows no problem and verified they both were working. Then I did all 3 together and what do ya know they all finally decided to play nice together :) I'm so happy that all the hba cards are working but im happier that I didn't have to remove/replace any of the sata cables because I had already done my wire management. Here are some pics of my finished setup and it came out great. thanks again for the help

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Nice job! I remember doing exactly what you did when I had 3 LSI 1068E cards on an Asus P5Q-E board. When I had all 3 in at once, only 2 would be recognized. So I have to start pulling them out then put them back in one by one like you did! smile.gif
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Hi guys,

Can I ask why you are looking for an alternative to Norco? Don't worry I am not working for them smile.gif Just wondering if it's because this build is here much cheaper? So Norco 4224 is around $00 but this build shown here is around that price except it's the whole build complete with all parts i.e. mobo, RAM, cpu, etc? If so, how is this possible? Is it from an ebay member?

Sorry I just found this thread so still reading it.


Thanks guys smile.gif
post #1889 of 2256
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Originally Posted by Vincent2k6 View Post

Hi guys,

Can I ask why you are looking for an alternative to Norco? Don't worry I am not working for them smile.gif Just wondering if it's because this build is here much cheaper? So Norco 4224 is around $00 but this build shown here is around that price except it's the whole build complete with all parts i.e. mobo, RAM, cpu, etc? If so, how is this possible? Is it from an ebay member?

Sorry I just found this thread so still reading it.


Thanks guys smile.gif

It's price.

I ended up buying a Norco 4220 and don't regret it. The real reason was not the case, because these cases seem pretty nice. The reason was I wanted modern Intel hardware that was power efficient and quiet. These servers come with hardware so for the price it's mostly a complete server and a great deal.

It will cost you more $ to buy a Norco case and fill it up with new hardware (but that's better, just more $)
post #1890 of 2256
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Originally Posted by Vincent2k6 View Post

Hi guys,

Can I ask why you are looking for an alternative to Norco? Don't worry I am not working for them smile.gif Just wondering if it's because this build is here much cheaper? So Norco 4224 is around $00 but this build shown here is around that price except it's the whole build complete with all parts i.e. mobo, RAM, cpu, etc? If so, how is this possible? Is it from an ebay member?

Sorry I just found this thread so still reading it.


Thanks guys smile.gif

The servers we get them from comes from Tamsolutions in which most of us here got the deals from. They do have a presence on ebay but alot of their business have come from here on the forum. And yes for around $400 shipped you get a complete package that's fully functional. Many here have swapped out the fans and PSU's due to noise, but compared to getting an empty Norco case and having to add all the internals, it will easily cost nearly twice the cost of the servers Tams offers. Plus the Supermicro cases are of much better build quality since the empty SM case alone can run in the $1,000+ range.

Lots of wealth in this thread, that's how I ended up getting 3 servers! biggrin.gif
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