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post #391 of 2256
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Originally Posted by Litlgi74 View Post

Thanks for the added pictures...
I like how you mounted your SSD. Did you reuse the internal HDD hardware?
I am curious about your fan wall... it looks like you don't have a gap between the side of the case and the fan wall... How did you manage that?

That came with the SSD--just a 2.5 to 3.5 adapter that worked. I wanted to put it somewhere else but didn't want to remove everything again to drill more holes.

There is a gap on both sides--the angle just makes it hard to see. I put washers on the screw to fill in the gap.
post #392 of 2256
^^^
you need air flow space for your SAS/SATA HBA Cards biggrin.gif.
your SSD block the air flow space

just my observation.
post #393 of 2256
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Originally Posted by bima View Post

^^^
you need air flow space for your SAS/SATA HBA Cards biggrin.gif.
your SSD block the air flow space
just my observation.

Not sure how hot the SAS cards will get--they shouldn't be especially intense, and I would think that as long as the rack isn't being stuffed in a closet or garage with no airflow, it should be ok.

On mine, I actually re-used one of the blower fans, flipped backwards on the outside of the case to push air over the Ceton/Intel NIC/IBM M1015 cards. Probably wouldn't be necessary if I didn't have the Ceton card in there, but it was hovering right around 65C--now it stays around 55C.
post #394 of 2256
^^
my M1015s are hot, untouchable. especially during/after a long activity. this is the reason I put a blower fan back.
on my other server( not this server case), I put 120mm 1600rpm in front of motherboard to blow the air to pci slots.

better safe than sorry, hehhee


note:
those sas cards are designed for real good air flow in real server enviroments( it means loud fans)
post #395 of 2256
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Originally Posted by bima View Post

just finished "reuse" Motherboard tray and back window/plate with norco fan plate
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When you 'reused' the motherboard tray, did you have to trim off the side ears that fit downward? As in, the original setup using that tray has the sides of the tray bent downward at the left/right/front edges. The left/right edges having screw holes to secure it from the outside of the case.

Or did you just leave it standing tall and use a 3U backpanel?

I've got both a norco fan AND their 4U backpanel and it appears the motherboard is expected to sit flush to the case (on standoffs, of course). Which is fine, but that means I'll have to either drill for the standoffs (including some Xeon heatsink screws) or find some sort of thin tray.
post #396 of 2256
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Originally Posted by Litlgi74 View Post

12. Drill the holes for the brass standoffs.
13. Join two brass standoffs for each hole.
14. Screw in each standoff... using a nut on the underside if the brass screw gets stripped. (Tapping holes so that the brass standoffs can be threaded into the case would be ideal)
Or counter-sink the drilled holes and use standoffs that are threaded on both sides. This way they're flush with the bottom of the case. I'm likely going this route unless I can find some sort of thin, flat motherboard mounting tray to save me the drilling.

Anyone know what exact height is typical for motherboard standoffs in a setup like this?

Bearing in mind there are also lower standoffs needed for the Xeon processor heatsink mounts, if you intend to keep using the same motherboard. Unless you use something like this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-SuperMicro-SKT-0159L-Socket-771-Dual-Xeon-Retention-Mounting-Adapter-/220967647333
post #397 of 2256
I've torn mine down. The power supply assembly shows nothing useful as far as the alarm beep is concerned. There's one set of wires coming out that doesn't seem to have a purpose. It's a gray/black pair with a connector on the end. It has a plug that shunts itself. I'm guessing this is for something but nothing obvious comes to mind. Leaving it unplugged did not change the alarm situation.

I'm inclined to just bail on it and move to a regular ATX supply. Whose redundant ones are decent, and whose should be avoided?
post #398 of 2256
Question for everyone using this. I have the AMD version and it came with a 160GB hard drive, which is perfect for installing any version of Windows - particularly WHS 2011.

My question is: It was hooked up as an IDE drive, inside the case. Has anyone used the drive that came with their server to install an OS, and if so did you keep it connected as an IDE drive, or did you move it to one of the HDD bays? Just trying to figure out what I want to do. I'd hate to lose a spot in the tray for a large HD, but if that's the best solution, then I will do it.

Thanks!!!
post #399 of 2256
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Originally Posted by rsmclay View Post

Question for everyone using this. I have the AMD version and it came with a 160GB hard drive, which is perfect for installing any version of Windows - particularly WHS 2011.
My question is: It was hooked up as an IDE drive, inside the case. Has anyone used the drive that came with their server to install an OS, and if so did you keep it connected as an IDE drive, or did you move it to one of the HDD bays? Just trying to figure out what I want to do. I'd hate to lose a spot in the tray for a large HD, but if that's the best solution, then I will do it.
Thanks!!!

Unless I'm missing something, you can't put an IDE drive in one of the removable bays - those are SATA only.
post #400 of 2256
Ugh, that was a stupid question about putting it in the SATA bay. Geez, wasn't thinking. So is no one using the drive that came with it? If so, you must have kept it hooked up as an IDE drive inside the case.
post #401 of 2256
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by rsmclay View Post

Question for everyone using this. I have the AMD version and it came with a 160GB hard drive, which is perfect for installing any version of Windows - particularly WHS 2011.
My question is: It was hooked up as an IDE drive, inside the case. Has anyone used the drive that came with their server to install an OS, and if so did you keep it connected as an IDE drive, or did you move it to one of the HDD bays? Just trying to figure out what I want to do. I'd hate to lose a spot in the tray for a large HD, but if that's the best solution, then I will do it.
Thanks!!!

If you are doing the mods like I did.. It will be hard to keep the original hdd bracket inside the server case... there just isn't the room for it. What you could do is velcro a small SSD to the inside server wall.

Also... if you are planning on using the IDE as you OS drive... you may want to reconsider... simply because it may bottle neck your system speed... especially if you are doing bluray rips.
post #402 of 2256
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Originally Posted by Litlgi74 View Post

If you are doing the mods like I did.. It will be hard to keep the original hdd bracket inside the server case... there just isn't the room for it. What you could do is velcro a small SSD to the inside server wall.
Also... if you are planning on using the IDE as you OS drive... you may want to reconsider... simply because it may bottle neck your system speed... especially if you are doing bluray rips.

Thanks!!! I will either go through one of the bays, with a new SATA drive, or maybe a small SATA velcro'd like you said.
post #403 of 2256
Depending on how you configure things I might be fine using an old drive to boot the OS. Most programs can be configured for where they'd do their work.

There's likewise nothing that would prevent you from using any of the SATA bays for motherboard connections. Just run a cable from a motherboard SATA port to the bay. You're not required to use the cards for them.

Also note you can always use an old IDE drive on a SATA port if you connect it with a SATA to IDE adapter. I've done that for some OS setup testing. I've got a pair of old IDE 250gb drives I'm using to test things. I was surprised to discover OpenIndiana has trouble with properly interfacing with that kind of drive off the supermicro motherboard. I had to disable the PATA ports entirely and use the SATA/IDE adapters I had on-hand. It's an annoying bug in OI that fails to properly use the right cylinder count.
post #404 of 2256
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Originally Posted by wkearney99 View Post

When you 'reused' the motherboard tray, did you have to trim off the side ears that fit downward? As in, the original setup using that tray has the sides of the tray bent downward at the left/right/front edges. The left/right edges having screw holes to secure it from the outside of the case.
Or did you just leave it standing tall and use a 3U backpanel?
I've got both a norco fan AND their 4U backpanel and it appears the motherboard is expected to sit flush to the case (on standoffs, of course). Which is fine, but that means I'll have to either drill for the standoffs (including some Xeon heatsink screws) or find some sort of thin tray.

not really 3U backplane/plate (original backplane), it is ~3.5U ..you can see my last/finished picture.

if you plan to use norco backplane/plate:
aha.. if you have AMD version, no worry about biggrin.gif; Not on Xeon version
on Xeon Version, you need to make sure CPU heatsink where bolt/screw to the tray/base(if you are not using original tray that comes from server case).



points that I did during mods:
1) Remove PSU docking
2) remove tray for mods
3) cut the right side, which has switches and save it for point 7
4) make sure the mods tray are sit flat on the base server case
5) make 4 drill ( 2 are on each side) to secure the backplate
6) use (broken blinds) to secure the tray sits on the base
7) reuse powerswitch and reset button that I put on the back plate ( I use heavy duty tape to stick/place on the backplate),
8) align/modfy norco fan plate to sit securely ( I use filler/spacerfron broken blinds with heavy duty tape.
9) I place original 60mm fan as spacer/base for my 2U PSU
10) done!!,

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4U norco fan plate is sitting on the base server case,


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4 white fitter (from broken blinds, two on each side) secure motherboard tray ( no need to drill biggrin.gif) and 4screws is holding the backplate. two screws on each side left&right

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I relocate switches ( top left corner on the image), on the top blower fan
Edited by bima - 7/27/12 at 9:02am
post #405 of 2256
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Originally Posted by wkearney99 View Post

...
Bearing in mind there are also lower standoffs needed for the Xeon processor heatsink mounts, if you intend to keep using the same motherboard. Unless you use something like this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-SuperMicro-SKT-0159L-Socket-771-Dual-Xeon-Retention-Mounting-Adapter-/220967647333

you can use that, if you like smile.gif

on mine:
I do not want to spend much money and time, this is behind the reason that I did my mods:
1) norco fan backplate(10 bucks with free shipping)
2) free broken blinds hehe
3) 2U server PSU (I found a quite one from IstarUSA) (97 bucks with shipping)
4) the rest is just putting back all to it's place biggrin.gif
I checked norco backplate was $22+$11 shipping =$33 total, was expensive hehe. I'd better go with 2U server PSU biggrin.gif.

+ HD Screws ~$7 with shipping; Onsale via Amazon.
post #406 of 2256
Hey Everyone. Bit of a jam. I got it all put back together. Fired it up, got into the BIOS. Made sure everything looked good. Shut her down and restarted it, and now it won't even start to boot. I get like 9 short beeps, but can't get back into the BIOS or anything. Any suggestions?
post #407 of 2256
Download a pdf manual and look up what the nine short beeps mean. The bios is providing a message and the manual will have the translation.
post #408 of 2256
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Originally Posted by rsmclay View Post

Hey Everyone. Bit of a jam. I got it all put back together. Fired it up, got into the BIOS. Made sure everything looked good. Shut her down and restarted it, and now it won't even start to boot. I get like 9 short beeps, but can't get back into the BIOS or anything. Any suggestions?

Did you remove the RAM and then reinstall it during your reconfiguration? If so, check to make sure the RAM is properly seated and in the correct slots. If removing and reinstalling the RAM doesn't help, then my guess is there is a ROM BIOS problem.
post #409 of 2256
Thread Starter 
Hello All...

I received my new SuperMicro server from TAMSolutions yesterday. It is quite nice!

Just wanted to quick update you all on what you can expect as far as modifications.

Here are the specs:

SuperMicro Server Chassis: SC846 Link to manual
SuperMicro H8DME-2
Dual Core AMD Opteron, 2212 HE
(3) AOC-SAT2-MV8 Controller Cards
Supermicro AOC-SIM1U(+) & and AOC USB2RJ45
(2) Supermicro 900w pws-902-1r redundant PSUs.
(8GB) Qimonda 2GB PC2-5300 DDR2-667MHz ECC Registered CL5 240-Pin DIMM

As far as mods... I am going to be replacing the very loud (5) 80MM fans with Arctic Cooling F8 Fans

I will also be removing the two redundant PSUs... they are very load and make a pulsing sound. I will probably stick with the CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX750 V2 The PSU will require a custom mount (two L brackets)... but it shouldn't be two hard to fit.

But the best thing part of this machine is... You will not need to reposition the motherboard, drill holes, cut anything, or purchase the Norco Fan Wall or Back Window! biggrin.gif

Replace the (5) 80mm fans and swap out the PSUs.... and you will have a super quiet server!

I will post photos as soon as my fans arrive!

I do believe these units will be available this week from TAMSolutions... You are gonna love this machine!

PS... the Backplane is a SC846TQ
Edited by Litlgi74 - 7/28/12 at 11:43am
post #410 of 2256
One downside I've run into with putting in the Norco ATX back window is you lose use of the internal two drive storage bracket. Unless you have no cards in the far left slots and don't need to connect to anything on the motherboard in that area. A great many motherboards use that edge for SATA and other connectors. So if you're planning on going to an ATX setup just know you'd lose the internal drive mounting points. Given there's 24 other bays out front it's not like this should be a problem... heh.

Also note the Norco panel is about .25" narrower than the case. This means you'll have to deal with the gap. I mounted mine flush right (power supply side) and then used some stand-offs to bridge the gap on the left (card slots) side. This is helpful because otherwise that left edge of the motherboard is VERY close to the case.

The factory setup placed the board in the middle and even though it was an E-ATX there was still enough room along both sides. With an ATX you lose all that space on the side. Also note if you switch the back window you WILL have to use an ATX or smaller form-factor motherboard. The factory E-ATX board (X7DBE in the previous run of boxes) absolutely will not fit in an ATX layout. There's room to drill new mounting holes if you move it forward. But not if you add a fan wall (which I've done). Speaking of fan wall, is there any advantage to having the fans on one side or the other? Doesn't seem like it'd matter.

For mounting I attached the motherboard to the back window panel using several PCI-e cards. I then laid the motherboard into the case and used a pencil to mark the mounting bolt holes. I used a mechanical pencil with the lead extended about an inch to draw the mounting hole circles. I then also used a sheet of tracing paper to create a template for the back window panel holes. I used this overlaid on the pencil marks to confirm just where everything needed to be drilled. I then drilled out the holes. I've not yet picked up the necessary female-female stand-offs necessary to mount the board permanently. Instead I've just used regular stand-offs with some nylon nuts on the threads. This leave the board 'floating' but it's held pretty securely by the PCI cards along the back.

The upside to making the switch is it's soooooooooooooooooo much quieter. The 1U redundant setup just makes a gawd-awful amount of noise.

Even with ripping out the PSU and switching motherboards, the case is still a deal.
post #411 of 2256
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Originally Posted by Litlgi74 View Post

Hello All...
I received my new SuperMicro server from TAMSolutions yesterday. It is quite nice!
Just wanted to quick update you all on what you can expect as far as modifications.
Here are the specs:
SuperMicro Server Chassis: SC846 Link to manual
SuperMicro H8DME-2
Dual Core AMD Opteron, 2212 HE
(3) AOC-SAT2-MV8 Controller Cards
Supermicro AOC-SIM1U(+) & and AOC USB2RJ45
(2) Supermicro 900w pws-902-1r redundant PSUs.
(8GB) Qimonda 2GB PC2-5300 DDR2-667MHz ECC Registered CL5 240-Pin DIMM
As far as mods... I am going to be replacing the very loud (5) 80MM fans with Arctic Cooling F8 Fans
I will also be removing the two redundant PSUs... they are very load and make a pulsing sound. I will probably stick with the CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX750 V2 The PSU will require a custom mount (two L brackets)... but it shouldn't be two hard to fit.
But the best thing part of this machine is... You will not need to reposition the motherboard, drill holes, cut anything, or purchase the Norco Fan Wall or Back Window! biggrin.gif
Replace the (5) 80mm fans and swap out the PSUs.... and you will have a super quiet server!
I will post photos as soon as my fans arrive!
I do believe these units will be available this week from TAMSolutions... You are gonna love this machine!
PS... the Backplane is a SC846TQ

Ah, nuts, I was hoping we might get lucky and these would have the expander backplanes. Oh well, still a great server.
post #412 of 2256
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Originally Posted by Litlgi74 View Post

Hello All...
I received my new SuperMicro server from TAMSolutions yesterday. It is quite nice!
Just wanted to quick update you all on what you can expect as far as modifications.
.....
I do believe these units will be available this week from TAMSolutions... You are gonna love this machine!
PS... the Backplane is a SC846TQ

I do not see on their ebay shop :P, did you order directly? for how much


please post the backplane. Thanks!
post #413 of 2256
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by bima View Post

I do not see on their ebay shop :P, did you order directly? for how much
please post the backplane. Thanks!

I believe they will be available in the ebay shop this week... As far as cost... I am not sure what they will be.... but most likely in the $199 to 299 range... Still well below the empty Norco 4224 at $399

The Backplane is a SC846TQ
post #414 of 2256
^^
anyone need to see the case pictures:
"forum.thegioimaychu.vn/chassis-server-case/255-review-chassis-supermicro-sc846tq-r900-giai-phap-luu-tru-24tb.html"
Edited by bima - 7/28/12 at 4:15pm
post #415 of 2256
Thread Starter 
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Yep... That's it! biggrin.gif

Unfortunately... Using a standard ATX PSU will eliminate that cool shroud and the housing of one of the hot swap fans on the back window... but no biggie!
post #416 of 2256
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Originally Posted by Litlgi74 View Post

Hello All...
I received my new SuperMicro server from TAMSolutions yesterday. It is quite nice!
Just wanted to quick update you all on what you can expect as far as modifications.
Here are the specs:
SuperMicro Server Chassis: SC846 Link to manual
SuperMicro H8DME-2
Dual Core AMD Opteron, 2212 HE
(3) AOC-SAT2-MV8 Controller Cards
Supermicro AOC-SIM1U(+) & and AOC USB2RJ45
(2) Supermicro 900w pws-902-1r redundant PSUs.
(8GB) Qimonda 2GB PC2-5300 DDR2-667MHz ECC Registered CL5 240-Pin DIMM
As far as mods... I am going to be replacing the very loud (5) 80MM fans with Arctic Cooling F8 Fans
I will also be removing the two redundant PSUs... they are very load and make a pulsing sound. I will probably stick with the CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX750 V2 The PSU will require a custom mount (two L brackets)... but it shouldn't be two hard to fit.
But the best thing part of this machine is... You will not need to reposition the motherboard, drill holes, cut anything, or purchase the Norco Fan Wall or Back Window! biggrin.gif
Replace the (5) 80mm fans and swap out the PSUs.... and you will have a super quiet server!
I will post photos as soon as my fans arrive!
I do believe these units will be available this week from TAMSolutions... You are gonna love this machine!
PS... the Backplane is a SC846TQ

These servers should be able to run a couple Virtual box VM's shouldn't they?
post #417 of 2256
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Originally Posted by wkearney99 View Post

Also note if you switch the back window you WILL have to use an ATX or smaller form-factor motherboard. The factory E-ATX board (X7DBE in the previous run of boxes) absolutely will not fit in an ATX layout.

My X9DRI E-ATX mobo fits fine with an ATX PSU and a fan wall (see my previous posted pics). confused.gif
post #418 of 2256
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Originally Posted by Z-95 View Post

My X9DRI E-ATX mobo fits fine with an ATX PSU and a fan wall (see my previous posted pics). confused.gif

Good to know then. Some E-ATX seem larger than others.
post #419 of 2256
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Originally Posted by wkearney99 View Post

Good to know then. Some E-ATX seem larger than others.

E-ATX should fit fine. EE-ATX will not, however.

This is an EE-ATX board:
http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/xeon/c600/x9dri-ln4f_.cfm

This is an E-ATX board:
http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon1333/5000P/X7DBE-X.cfm
post #420 of 2256
^^^^^
if you use original motherboard tray, E-EATX is not a problem smile.gif
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