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post #601 of 1476
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Originally Posted by heffneil View Post

Perhaps I am confused but the first post talks about modifying the supermicro case? I am just not sure why you didn't use the supplied power supplies...

Neil


Because they are too loud.

post #602 of 1476
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Originally Posted by Defcon View Post


Because they are too loud.

Yepper... They are not as loud as the first batch of PSUs... but they are still to loud for my needs.

Sorry for the confusion.
post #603 of 1476
OK great I thought maybe it was a single rail issue or something with all those drives. I emailed the source and hope to hear back!
post #604 of 1476
Been trying to reach Jason for the last couple days - sent multiple emails and called a couple times. Hope he's just busy and that I don't lose out on getting one or more of these servers!
post #605 of 1476
Main post said 50 left as of yesterday so I would think that is encouraging but who knows.
post #606 of 1476
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Originally Posted by coolrunnings82 View Post

Been trying to reach Jason for the last couple days - sent multiple emails and called a couple times. Hope he's just busy and that I don't lose out on getting one or more of these servers!

Not to worry... smile.gif
post #607 of 1476
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Originally Posted by tazmizzaz View Post

As I did say in my post I do figure on the need to eventually replace the PSU. PSU's above ~700 Watt though tend to increase in price at an exponential rate so it is much much cheaper to buy what I need now and upgrade later as prices on PSU's also come down (or a crazy good sale shows up).
In addition I am not running full time RAID sets or anything that is likely to have more than a few drives spinning at the same time thus reducing the idle power use of 48 drives to around 1 Watt per drive or < 50 Watts with only a few drives pulling active power thus making it highly likely that I may not actually ever hit 75% pull on my PSU anyways. I also count on increasing energy efficiency of drives in general to reduce the climbing power requirements and that will also ensure I may not need to upgrade the PSU either.
The 2 cases are held together by 4 heavy bolts and 1 lighter bolt at the back. It is crazy solid and there is absolutely zero need to be delicate with it (just moved it actually and yup super solid). I plan on moving it around with 2 people due to the sheer size but it weighs less than a single one did previously.
Large bolts:

Small bolt:

The cuts in the "bottom" or middle of the case were a little sharp (tried to smooth them but it just wasn't enough for my taste). So I found some heavy weight (25 mill) rubber tape and applied it all the way around the cut edges between the cases to ensure that no sharp edges are around to catch on anyones hands.
And to Litlgi74 it is awesome, and I am crazy excited that its done finally. Thanks for the initial inspiration to take the first step.


Sorry, I was not trying to imply that the 700 would not be sufficient enough for you build as is. I believe for solutions that are running Windows or booting to a Linux OS that then pools the data into Spin up groups or some sort of software raids that only mounts when desired, that a 750/850 PSU would be more than sufficient. I currently use UnRaid and when the OS initially boots, I believe it spools up all disks that are connected to the Hardware. In this situation, your mod would be possible, but would more than likely require the largest PSU's available, and more than likely single rail.

As far as the mod goes, It is a awesome idea. I think that Litlgi74 has the right Idea with leaving the bottom unit as is and modifying the top unit with the 4224 back window.

What I want to try to do is this.
1. Modify the "Top" unit with the Norco back window and 120MM bracket.
2. Install a Modular PSU into the top unit.
3. Drill Large Holes into the bottom of the "Top Unit" and the top of the "Bottom Unit" for where the SATA cables and PSU cables will go through to the mobo and backplane of the bottom unit.
4. Install Norco 120MM fan wall into bottom unit.
5. Run cables through holes in bottom and top of case to the bottom unit.

By doing this I would think that the cooling would be as close to "Normal" as possible and that uneven heat distribution would be all but eliminated. The top unit would probably stay really cool as it is only circulating air for the drives.

The major challenge I see for this will be for servicing or moving the unit. With the top half having a bottom, you would have to disconnect the modular PSU cables from the PSU, then feed them back through to the bottom unit, then unmount the top unit from the bottom unit. Probably more of a pain down the road than just putting in the extra effort up front. Damn I think i just shot down my own idea while writing this.

Anyway, I am going to try to figure out a way to do the 8U mod, without having to unmount and cut the mobo tray. I will probably end up with your way, as it looks to be the most reasonable solution.

Also, I do not really see a big issue with your cooling on the mod as is. If you added a second Norco 120mm fan plate to the top portion of the server, your cooling for the HDD's would in theory be just as good as if the two units where individually set up. This would leave any extra hot air that may be floating around, isnide the case, above the CPU. Yes, the airflow would be kinda all of the place, But with a additional 120mm fan late at the rear of the case, all the hot air that pooled at top would be sucked out.
Edited by mexicanmike03 - 8/12/12 at 12:43am
post #608 of 1476
Was thinking about getting the new server for a WHS/Flexraid build. This will be setup in my home office, so silence is a premium.

1) Can the Norco 120mm fan wall be used in this case? If not, are Nexus or Noctua the best bet for 80mm's?

2) Can someone recommend a very quiet CPU fan that may be used with the bracket system that litlgi74 recommended? Would this fit with the plastic shroud and/or is there a need to keep it?

Thanks!
post #609 of 1476
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1) Can the Norco 120mm fan wall be used in this case? If not, are Nexus or Noctua the best bet for 80mm's?

The Supermicro case has it's own fan wall... with (3) 80mm fans.

The problem with adding the Norco fan wall is the Supermicro case has a two part fan wall. The top part can be unscrewed.... but the bottom portion (SATA cables run through) of the wall is riveted to the base of the server case.
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2) Can someone recommend a very quiet CPU fan that may be used with the bracket system that litlgi74 recommended? Would this fit with the plastic shroud and/or is there a need to keep it?

I had an old HSF laying around so I used it... as far as the shroud... even though the HSF is top to bottom instead of the appropriate side to side, I am still using it to direct the airflow from the fan wall through the back wall. CPU temp is at 31° and system temp is around 38°.
post #610 of 1476
Has he sold all of the new units? I have emailed him and have not gotten a response.
post #611 of 1476
I also emailed and received no response. I then called and they took my order over the phone. Very nice and friendly. 801-796-1696
post #612 of 1476
Hi there
I just wanted to follow up with all you here on AVS and let you know that I have sent out the email to those of you were on the wait list for the Supermicro servers. If you are wanting one and did not receive the email please feel free to email us at tamsolutions@hotmail.com and let me know that you would like one and I will send you the email with all the details on how to purchase one.
Thanks so much!!!
post #613 of 1476
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Originally Posted by Tamsolutions View Post

Hi there
I just wanted to follow up with all you here on AVS and let you know that I have sent out the email to those of you were on the wait list for the Supermicro servers. If you are wanting one and did not receive the email please feel free to email us at tamsolutions@hotmail.com and let me know that you would like one and I will send you the email with all the details on how to purchase one.
Thanks so much!!!

Thanks Andy, I got your email.

post #614 of 1476
Anybody can confirm what are the package dimentions for shipping?
post #615 of 1476
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Originally Posted by cyruspy View Post

Anybody can confirm what are the package dimentions for shipping?

36x24x12
post #616 of 1476
Well shoot, called about 4 pm EST and talked with Andy. I was put on a new waitlist pending the current waitlist emails sent out today. Hopefully not too many people want multiple units frown.gif
post #617 of 1476
Thread Starter 
More Good News....

Check this out...

Fan Sounds....

The sounds you are hearing are from the three different PSU setups in the new batch of Supermicro servers.

The first sound in the sequence is the sound of the stock 900w PWS-902-1R

The second sound is that of a 800w PWS-801-1R

The third (last 9 seconds) is the sound of my server with the Corsair 750TX V2 with the (5) 80mm Arctic Cooling.

The good news I alluded to is that if you want a very quiet server without modifying the server's PSU housing at all... Check out the PWS-801-1R It is the same size as the 900w and slides right into the current housing setup... NO MODIFICATIONS NEEDED!

It is not as quiet as my Corsair setup, but is no where near the volume level of of stock PSU.

Just thought I would share.
post #618 of 1476
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Originally Posted by Litlgi74 View Post

More Good News....

Check this out...

Fan Sounds....

The sounds you are hearing are from the three different PSU setups in the new batch of Supermicro servers.

The first sound in the sequence is the sound of the stock 900w PWS-902-1R

The second sound is that of a 800w PWS-801-1R

The third (last 9 seconds) is the sound of my server with the Corsair 750TX V2 with the (5) 80mm Arctic Cooling.

The good news I alluded to is that if you want a very quiet server without modifying the server's PSU housing at all... Check out the PWS-801-1R It is the same size as the 900w and slides right into the current housing setup... NO MODIFICATIONS NEEDED!

It is not as quiet as my Corsair setup, but is no where near the volume level of of stock PSU.

Just thought I would share.

The Corsair is almost silent compared to the other 2! About the Corsair, how many of the power connectors are needed? I'm trying to decide if a modular PSU is worth it if it reduces cable clutter. And the 3rd sound sample, is that also with the  HSF that comes with the server?

post #619 of 1476
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Originally Posted by Litlgi74 View Post

The first sound in the sequence is the sound of the stock 900w PWS-902-1R
The second sound is that of a 800w PWS-801-1R
Any chance the only difference between the two is the fan inside the module? Not that it matters to me, as I've got one of the previous units; and I've modded it to use a regular power supply.
post #620 of 1476
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Originally Posted by Defcon View Post

The Corsair is almost silent compared to the other 2! About the Corsair, how many of the power connectors are needed? I'm trying to decide if a modular PSU is worth it if it reduces cable clutter. And the 3rd sound sample, is that also with the  HSF that comes with the server?

All of the molex connections are used... none of the SATA or PCI E cables. A modular system will clean up the "clutter" a bit, but I used the extra cables to fill in the gap of the old PSU housing and wire harness.



Sorry the HSF is not stock... it is much, much quieter than the one that came with the unit.
post #621 of 1476
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Originally Posted by Litlgi74 View Post

More Good News....
Check this out...
Fan Sounds....
The sounds you are hearing are from the three different PSU setups in the new batch of Supermicro servers.
The first sound in the sequence is the sound of the stock 900w PWS-902-1R
The second sound is that of a 800w PWS-801-1R
The third (last 9 seconds) is the sound of my server with the Corsair 750TX V2 with the (5) 80mm Arctic Cooling.
The good news I alluded to is that if you want a very quiet server without modifying the server's PSU housing at all... Check out the PWS-801-1R It is the same size as the 900w and slides right into the current housing setup... NO MODIFICATIONS NEEDED!
It is not as quiet as my Corsair setup, but is no where near the volume level of of stock PSU.
Just thought I would share.

the some redundant PSU just less power rate 980W to 800W :P
the fan would scream during peak time hehehe.
picking up 800w PWS-801-1R, is just moving to the same PSU with less 800W. the fan is mostly identical
could you try to run with 10 or more HDs and push the cpu to work harder than idle? if 800w PWS-801-1R is pretty silent, I am sold smile.gif

the best to low the noise-> replace PSU with 70MM -greater fans that support thermal control.
post #622 of 1476
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Originally Posted by wkearney99 View Post

Any chance the only difference between the two is the fan inside the module? Not that it matters to me, as I've got one of the previous units; and I've modded it to use a regular power supply.

I bet the fan is identical smile.gif
post #623 of 1476
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Originally Posted by Litlgi74 View Post

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Originally Posted by Defcon View Post

The Corsair is almost silent compared to the other 2! About the Corsair, how many of the power connectors are needed? I'm trying to decide if a modular PSU is worth it if it reduces cable clutter. And the 3rd sound sample, is that also with the  HSF that comes with the server?

All of the molex connections are used... none of the SATA or PCI E cables. A modular system will clean up the "clutter" a bit, but I used the extra cables to fill in the gap of the old PSU housing and wire harness.

700

Sorry the HSF is not stock... it is much, much quieter than the one that came with the unit.

Could you tell us which HSF you used, and if you needed the bracket you mentioned earlier as well? I placed my order and now I need to get the other parts.

post #624 of 1476
I can definitely attest to how the supermicro intel board controls PWM fans. Initial boot noise is louder as all fans come on at 100%. But it settles down to nearly silent pretty quickly. I've got three 120mm fan wall units and two rear 80mm case fans; all 4-pin PWM units. BIOS config is for '4-pin server'. This along with an OCZ 1000W power supply with it's own 120mm fan inside. It's a whole helluva lot less noisy than the original setup.

But even with this reduction I would still not want it in the room with me. There's no way to get a fully loaded box like one of these quiet enough for my liking. Since mine's going to be an ESXi server there's no real need to have a console connection to it anyway; everything is done over the network. But if I did need one it's just as easy to use a very long KVM cable or network IPMI board (which I've since added but rarely use).
post #625 of 1476
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Originally Posted by bima View Post

I bet the fan is identical smile.gif
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Here is the PSU fan(s): 900w

800w


Looks like they are different... at least in the amperage category.
post #626 of 1476
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Defcon View Post

Could you tell us which HSF you used, and if you needed the bracket you mentioned earlier as well? I placed my order and now I need to get the other parts.

The AMD Socket F brackets are needed.



And the HSF that I am using is the cmdk8-7152d-a3.

Hope this helps.
post #627 of 1476
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Originally Posted by Litlgi74 View Post

800w

Looks like they are different... at least in the amperage category.

smile.gif inlet:13300 rpm/
outlet:9300 rpm

imagine.. 40mm is running 10k RPM
post #628 of 1476
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Originally Posted by wkearney99 View Post

I can definitely attest to how the supermicro intel board controls PWM fans. Initial boot noise is louder as all fans come on at 100%. But it settles down to nearly silent pretty quickly. I've got three 120mm fan wall units and two rear 80mm case fans; all 4-pin PWM units. BIOS config is for '4-pin server'. This along with an OCZ 1000W power supply with it's own 120mm fan inside. It's a whole helluva lot less noisy than the original setup.
But even with this reduction I would still not want it in the room with me. There's no way to get a fully loaded box like one of these quiet enough for my liking. Since mine's going to be an ESXi server there's no real need to have a console connection to it anyway; everything is done over the network. But if I did need one it's just as easy to use a very long KVM cable or network IPMI board (which I've since added but rarely use).

this is hard to make super silent hehe.
mine still making reasonable noise ( for me), when crunching some VMs doing cpu processing/memory). such ase plex transcoding, and compiling a big source-code with multiple threads/process.

I use PWM fans on the back plate, Not on HD backplate fans.
the PWM fans kicks to reasonable Noise (not loud) where shadowing the noise of CPU fans.

I love PWM fans, more accurate and I can configure the PWM duty cycle (in motherboard BIOS) to set fan speed smile.gif
post #629 of 1476
Thanks!. Anybody has power consumption figures in idle state, with/without disks?
post #630 of 1476
Thanks, this thread is very informative! I ordered one of these units and can't till it arrives. I am happy that it can be quieted down, I am not sure exactly where I am going to stash mine so it is going to start out in my living room.
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