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post #691 of 1494
8/16/12 at 11:01pm
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Originally Posted by Defcon View Post

Do most people who run servers like this have a UPS? I'm not sure if I should get one, it would have to be dedicated to the server and i couldn't also run my pc off it since the server has to be in a separate area.


Depending on what OS you are running, some APC units can be tied in for self power off once the UPS starts to run low on power. A UPS is great for keeping the system going during short brown outs, but unless you have it automated for shutdown, you will have a unclean power down. In a hardware raid situation, this can be pretty ugly, most software raid solutions are not as touchy, but it varies.
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post #692 of 1494
8/16/12 at 11:45pm
For anyone using this setup - it draws 200 watts at the wall with only 1 hard drive hooked up. I replaced the power supplies with a single Seasonic x750 and it went down to 125 watts. Pretty substantial I'd say! Now to find some 120mm fans with good static pressure without making toooo much noise. I don't have the luxury of low airflow to reduce noise since I am in Arizona and the server is in a 78-80 degree room!
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post #693 of 1494
8/16/12 at 11:45pm
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Originally Posted by ugotd8 View Post

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Originally Posted by Defcon View Post

Btw if anyone wants the original PSU's and fans, let me know. 

Would you also consider selling the side vertical drive mount used for the IDE drive on these ? I need a second for a mirrored root.

Well, sell is the wrong word :) You can have it, I was just planning on using it as a place to stick in an ssd as a boot drive, but if there's a better/easier way to do that then I don't need the mount.

 

Would it make sense to line the inside of the case with sound dampening foam? 

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post #694 of 1494
8/16/12 at 11:47pm
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Originally Posted by coolrunnings82 View Post

For anyone using this setup - it draws 200 watts at the wall with only 1 hard drive hooked up. I replaced the power supplies with a single Seasonic x750 and it went down to 125 watts. Pretty substantial I'd say! Now to find some 120mm fans with good static pressure without making toooo much noise. I don't have the luxury of low airflow to reduce noise since I am in Arizona and the server is in a 78-80 degree room!

How did you mount the PSU? And this is with the Opteron 2212 it comes with?

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post #695 of 1494
8/17/12 at 12:13am
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Originally Posted by Defcon View Post

How did you mount the PSU? And this is with the Opteron 2212 it comes with?
Yep, stock CPU. Still working out a PSU mount. Thinking about looking for a custom back...
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post #696 of 1494
8/17/12 at 12:41am
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Originally Posted by coolrunnings82 View Post

Now to find some 120mm fans with good static pressure without making toooo much noise. I don't have the luxury of low airflow to reduce noise since I am in Arizona and the server is in a 78-80 degree room!

The best quiet 120mm fans with good static pressure that I have tried are Noctua NF-F12 (not to be confused with the more common NF-P12):

http://www.noctua.at/main.php?show=productview&products_id=42

The NF-F12 is not as quiet as the NF-P12, but it has higher static pressure. If you find that the NF-F12 is too loud, you can always try it with the "low-noise-adapter" (series resistor) that Noctua includes. But even without the LNA, the NF-F12 is quieter than most other 1500rpm fans, and I'm pretty sure it is the quietest 120mm fan that can achieve a static pressure of 2.6mm H2O.
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post #697 of 1494
8/17/12 at 5:43am
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Originally Posted by Litlgi74 View Post

I think that most people who run a hardware raid use a UPS...Power loss with a RAID 5 is really not an option.
I use one just to eliminate disruption in movies during a power outage.

UPS is a best solution to handle any spikes or intermittent disruption for power outlet, especially during thunderstorm season smile.gif


please let me clarify the situation:
current hardware RAID can handle interruption of power shortage as long as memory back-up installed in the card. some card can utilize SSD for caching or back-up memory :P

if you are talking old old hardware RIAD, you are true smile.gif
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post #698 of 1494
8/17/12 at 5:50am
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Originally Posted by Defcon View Post

My server was supposed to be delivered today but there was a UPS screwup which I will have to resolve with Tamsolutions tomorrow. Anyway, a stupid question about hotswap drives, the reason we're buying these servers - 

- I'm assuming the drive failure/status led's are going to work
- what happens when a drive fails? Ideally I'd like to get an email warning and see the error via IPMI/Remote manager. But I'm guessing this depends on the OS/software as well? I will be using Windows (Server or 8) with FlexRaid. 

if you using HBA card, such as M1015 or dell H200 or others where set as JBOD.
you need to connect SGPIO connector to HDs backplane. ( some SFF-8087 to SATA has SGPIO connector).

to control fail LEDs, you need to send SES2 command to the backplane that commanding to turn on/turn off/blink a specified failed LED.

in linux, you can use sg_ses tools
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post #699 of 1494
8/17/12 at 7:10am
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Originally Posted by ugotd8 View Post

Thank you sirs. Follow-up question, in the manual for my 16 bay supermicro chassis it mentions for best thermal cooling of the drive area to make sure non-occupied disk bays have a plastic filler in place of the drive. How true is that and do you think it applies to all SM chassis ? In otherwords do I need to get some fillers ? biggrin.gif

Or just use something else to block that bay's airflow. I've got some cardboard blocking the empty ones in mine. I cut a small piece to fit the inside front of the bay and put a small piece of tape on it to keep it in place. I'm guessing a plastic one would stay put better and be more obvious about being removed when you eventually load the sled.
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post #700 of 1494
8/17/12 at 7:16am
Even though mine will be in the basement I decided I didn't want the noise. Here is what I ordered, should be here Monday;

I went with a modular PSU so I don't have a big wad of cables. I know it's not the best brand but it was cheap, has a 3 year warranty and decent reviews;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182133&Tpk=hive%20750

These 80mm PWM fans had some good reviews and move a decent amount of air (plus they have volume discounts);
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835426010

Standard HSF and brackets;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835200042
http://www.ebay.com/itm/130733450574?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649#ht_500wt_923
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post #701 of 1494
8/17/12 at 9:15am
Ok. So if I just want a good file server. Which one of the servers he lists in the updated first post should I get?
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post #702 of 1494
8/17/12 at 9:18am
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Originally Posted by bfhancock View Post

Ok. So if I just want a good file server. Which one of the servers he lists in the updated first post should I get?

Each unit listed is not much to shout home about in relation to speed. How many hard drives do you want to use? How much space do you have? Is noise a issue?
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post #703 of 1494
8/17/12 at 9:51am
Pure fileservers don't really need massive CPU speed and are almost always diskbound. Not to mention, in almost every home fileserver scenario, it doesn't matter if you can saturate the SATA interface when you are squeezing it all thru a 1Gb network pipe. :-)

Any/all of these deals are incredible, in that you are getting a 24 disk storage device for a great price. Lots of value there when you consider the hardware is at or close to enterprise level.

Assuming you need 24 drives, go out and price out completed 24 bay hotswap fileserver. Just to get a 24 bay chassis and 3 controllers you are already looking at $700 at newegg (and using an inferior chassis nonetheless).

EDIT: forgot to mention, the value of using ECC RAM in a fileserver cannot be understated.
Edited by ugotd8 - 8/17/12 at 10:07am
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post #704 of 1494
8/17/12 at 10:40am
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Originally Posted by ugotd8 View Post

Pure fileservers don't really need massive CPU speed and are almost always diskbound. Not to mention, in almost every home fileserver scenario, it doesn't matter if you can saturate the SATA interface when you are squeezing it all thru a 1Gb network pipe. :-)
Any/all of these deals are incredible, in that you are getting a 24 disk storage device for a great price. Lots of value there when you consider the hardware is at or close to enterprise level.
Assuming you need 24 drives, go out and price out completed 24 bay hotswap fileserver. Just to get a 24 bay chassis and 3 controllers you are already looking at $700 at newegg (and using an inferior chassis nonetheless).
EDIT: forgot to mention, the value of using ECC RAM in a fileserver cannot be understated.

an addition regarding on ECC RAM smile.gif
if you using software RAID, ECC RAM is a must since all checking/processing tasks are handling by CPU in RAM
if you are using hardware RAID, ECC RAM is an option since all processing tasks are handling by RAID card processor/RAM
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post #705 of 1494
8/17/12 at 10:44am
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Originally Posted by bima View Post

an addition regarding on ECC RAM smile.gif
if you using software RAID, ECC RAM is a must since all checking/processing tasks are handling by CPU in RAM
if you are using hardware RAID, ECC RAM is an option since all processing tasks are handling by RAID card processor/RAM

Good point, but do people actually use anything other than ZFS ?




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post #706 of 1494
8/17/12 at 10:58am
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Originally Posted by ugotd8 View Post

Good point, but do people actually use anything other than ZFS ?
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any software RAID, can be madadm software raid, zfs, or other windows software raid implementation

I do for my madadm raid6 hehe,
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post #707 of 1494
8/17/12 at 2:47pm
I'm thinking either I need to run the fans at full speed or put the plastic shroud back in, Sys Temp seems a little high no ?
Code:
# ipmitool -I lan -H 192.168.1.10 -U ADMIN sensor
Password:
CPU1 Temp        | 25.000     | degrees C  | ok    | na        | na        | na        | 76.000    | 78.000    | 80.000
CPU2 Temp        | 25.000     | degrees C  | ok    | na        | na        | na        | 76.000    | 78.000    | 80.000
Sys Temp         | 46.000     | degrees C  | ok    | na        | na        | na        | 76.000    | 78.000    | 80.000
CPU1 Vcore       | 1.248      | Volts      | ok    | 0.776     | 0.784     | 0.792     | 1.624     | 1.632     | 1.640
CPU2 Vcore       | 1.240      | Volts      | ok    | 0.776     | 0.784     | 0.792     | 1.624     | 1.632     | 1.640
CPU1 DIMM        | 1.816      | Volts      | ok    | 1.592     | 1.600     | 1.608     | 1.992     | 2.000     | 2.008
CPU2 DIMM        | 1.792      | Volts      | ok    | 1.568     | 1.584     | 1.600     | 2.000     | 2.016     | 2.032
MCP55 Vcore      | 1.424      | Volts      | ok    | 1.200     | 1.216     | 1.232     | 1.552     | 1.568     | 1.584
1.2V             | 1.128      | Volts      | ok    | 1.064     | 1.072     | 1.080     | 1.320     | 1.328     | 1.336
3.3V             | 3.456      | Volts      | ok    | 2.912     | 2.928     | 2.944     | 3.648     | 3.664     | 3.680
5V               | 4.920      | Volts      | ok    | 4.416     | 4.440     | 4.464     | 5.520     | 5.544     | 5.568
12V              | 12.000     | Volts      | ok    | 10.620    | 10.680    | 10.740    | 13.260    | 13.320    | 13.380
-12V             | -12.300    | Volts      | ok    | -10.500   | -10.600   | -10.700   | -13.300   | -13.400   | -13.500
5VSB             | 4.776      | Volts      | ok    | 4.416     | 4.440     | 4.464     | 5.520     | 5.544     | 5.568
VBAT             | 2.992      | Volts      | ok    | 2.912     | 2.928     | 2.944     | 3.648     | 3.664     | 3.680
Fan1             | 0.000      | RPM        | nr    | 200.000   | 300.000   | 400.000   | na        | na        | na
Fan2             | 0.000      | RPM        | nr    | 200.000   | 300.000   | 400.000   | na        | na        | na
Fan3             | 4300.000   | RPM        | ok    | 200.000   | 300.000   | 400.000   | na        | na        | na
Fan4             | 4300.000   | RPM        | ok    | 200.000   | 300.000   | 400.000   | na        | na        | na
Fan5             | 3600.000   | RPM        | ok    | 200.000   | 300.000   | 400.000   | na        | na        | na
Fan6             | 3700.000   | RPM        | ok    | 200.000   | 300.000   | 400.000   | na        | na        | na
Fan7             | 4800.000   | RPM        | ok    | 200.000   | 300.000   | 400.000   | na        | na        | na
Fan8             | 4600.000   | RPM        | ok    | 200.000   | 300.000   | 400.000   | na        | na        | na
Intrusion        | 0x0        | discrete   | 0x0000| na        | na        | na        | na        | na        | na
Power Supply     | 0x0        | discrete   | 0x0000| na        | na        | na        | na        | na        | na
CPU Overheat     | 0x0        | discrete   | 0x0000| na        | na        | na        | na        | na        | na
Thermal Trip0    | 0x0        | discrete   | 0x0000| na        | na        | na        | na        | na        | na
Thermal Trip1    | 0x0        | discrete   | 0x0000| na        | na        | na        | na        | na        | na

Once I installed the second CPU the shroud no longer fit properly, maybe I'll need to rotate the heatsink 180 degrees.
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post #708 of 1494
8/17/12 at 3:17pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ugotd8 View Post

I'm thinking either I need to run the fans at full speed or put the plastic shroud back in, Sys Temp seems a little high no ?
Code:
# ipmitool -I lan -H 192.168.1.10 -U ADMIN sensor
Password:
CPU1 Temp        | 25.000     | degrees C  | ok    | na        | na        | na        | 76.000    | 78.000    | 80.000
CPU2 Temp        | 25.000     | degrees C  | ok    | na        | na        | na        | 76.000    | 78.000    | 80.000
Sys Temp         | 46.000     | degrees C  | ok    | na        | na        | na        | 76.000    | 78.000    | 80.000
CPU1 Vcore       | 1.248      | Volts      | ok    | 0.776     | 0.784     | 0.792     | 1.624     | 1.632     | 1.640
CPU2 Vcore       | 1.240      | Volts      | ok    | 0.776     | 0.784     | 0.792     | 1.624     | 1.632     | 1.640
CPU1 DIMM        | 1.816      | Volts      | ok    | 1.592     | 1.600     | 1.608     | 1.992     | 2.000     | 2.008
CPU2 DIMM        | 1.792      | Volts      | ok    | 1.568     | 1.584     | 1.600     | 2.000     | 2.016     | 2.032
MCP55 Vcore      | 1.424      | Volts      | ok    | 1.200     | 1.216     | 1.232     | 1.552     | 1.568     | 1.584
1.2V             | 1.128      | Volts      | ok    | 1.064     | 1.072     | 1.080     | 1.320     | 1.328     | 1.336
3.3V             | 3.456      | Volts      | ok    | 2.912     | 2.928     | 2.944     | 3.648     | 3.664     | 3.680
5V               | 4.920      | Volts      | ok    | 4.416     | 4.440     | 4.464     | 5.520     | 5.544     | 5.568
12V              | 12.000     | Volts      | ok    | 10.620    | 10.680    | 10.740    | 13.260    | 13.320    | 13.380
-12V             | -12.300    | Volts      | ok    | -10.500   | -10.600   | -10.700   | -13.300   | -13.400   | -13.500
5VSB             | 4.776      | Volts      | ok    | 4.416     | 4.440     | 4.464     | 5.520     | 5.544     | 5.568
VBAT             | 2.992      | Volts      | ok    | 2.912     | 2.928     | 2.944     | 3.648     | 3.664     | 3.680
Fan1             | 0.000      | RPM        | nr    | 200.000   | 300.000   | 400.000   | na        | na        | na
Fan2             | 0.000      | RPM        | nr    | 200.000   | 300.000   | 400.000   | na        | na        | na
Fan3             | 4300.000   | RPM        | ok    | 200.000   | 300.000   | 400.000   | na        | na        | na
Fan4             | 4300.000   | RPM        | ok    | 200.000   | 300.000   | 400.000   | na        | na        | na
Fan5             | 3600.000   | RPM        | ok    | 200.000   | 300.000   | 400.000   | na        | na        | na
Fan6             | 3700.000   | RPM        | ok    | 200.000   | 300.000   | 400.000   | na        | na        | na
Fan7             | 4800.000   | RPM        | ok    | 200.000   | 300.000   | 400.000   | na        | na        | na
Fan8             | 4600.000   | RPM        | ok    | 200.000   | 300.000   | 400.000   | na        | na        | na
Intrusion        | 0x0        | discrete   | 0x0000| na        | na        | na        | na        | na        | na
Power Supply     | 0x0        | discrete   | 0x0000| na        | na        | na        | na        | na        | na
CPU Overheat     | 0x0        | discrete   | 0x0000| na        | na        | na        | na        | na        | na
Thermal Trip0    | 0x0        | discrete   | 0x0000| na        | na        | na        | na        | na        | na
Thermal Trip1    | 0x0        | discrete   | 0x0000| na        | na        | na        | na        | na        | na
Once I installed the second CPU the shroud no longer fit properly, maybe I'll need to rotate the heatsink 180 degrees.

Is that with the stock setup? If so... I doubt you will get it much cooler than that. Those 80mm fans push some serious CFMs!
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post #709 of 1494
8/17/12 at 3:27pm

Whats the ambient temp in the room? The cpu temps look fine which is what really matters. Does SMART work on these servers to monitor drive temps?

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post #710 of 1494
8/17/12 at 3:44pm
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Originally Posted by Litlgi74 View Post

Is that with the stock setup? If so... I doubt you will get it much cooler than that. Those 80mm fans push some serious CFMs!

Yes, stock setup on fans, but no shroud. I reset the BIOS setting to default for fan control and it dropped the mobo temp to 43C (from 46C).
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Originally Posted by Defcon View Post

Whats the ambient temp in the room? The cpu temps look fine which is what really matters. Does SMART work on these servers to monitor drive temps?

It's about 78C in the basement, warm day today. I suppose I shouldn't compare the mobo temps to my desktop mobo temps (30C atm). Didn't expect to see mobo temps over 40C, but this is my first SuperMicro mainboard. :-)
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post #711 of 1494
8/17/12 at 4:16pm
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Originally Posted by ugotd8 View Post

I'm thinking either I need to run the fans at full speed or put the plastic shroud back in, Sys Temp seems a little high no ?
Code:
# ipmitool -I lan -H 192.168.1.10 -U ADMIN sensor
Sys Temp         | 46.000     | degrees C  | ok    | na        | na        | na        | 76.000    | 78.000    | 80.000
Can you drop out to the BIOS (reboot) and see what values are actually detected? I wouldn't go on just that IPMI value alone. It would seem very odd for that number alone to be that much higher than the processors. If the BIOS numbers don't match then perhaps an update to the IPMI bios is in order.
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post #712 of 1494
8/17/12 at 4:36pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ugotd8 View Post

Yes, stock setup on fans, but no shroud. I reset the BIOS setting to default for fan control and it dropped the mobo temp to 43C (from 46C).
It's about 78C in the basement, warm day today. I suppose I shouldn't compare the mobo temps to my desktop mobo temps (30C atm). Didn't expect to see mobo temps over 40C, but this is my first SuperMicro mainboard. :-)

my System Temp is around 50°C.. not to worried.



PS... this is with aftermarket case fans and plastic shroud in place.
Edited by Litlgi74 - 8/17/12 at 4:42pm
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post #713 of 1494
8/17/12 at 5:24pm
Courtesy of IPMIview I can get into BIOS remotely... Oh IPMIview, where have you been all my life ? biggrin.gif

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post #714 of 1494
8/17/12 at 5:33pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ugotd8 View Post

Courtesy of IPMIview I can get into BIOS remotely... Oh IPMIview, where have you been all my life ? biggrin.gif

OK... tell PLEASE tell us how to set this up!
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post #715 of 1494
8/17/12 at 5:58pm
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Originally Posted by Litlgi74 View Post

OK... tell PLEASE tell us how to set this up!
If you have a motherboard that's equipped for IPMI then it's just a matter of loading the program, either locally or on another PC. Some motherboards have it built-in, others require there to be an IPMI card. Some cards have a network interface of their own, while some can use of the motherboard ports. The ones with their own network port will also do remote KVM of the console. So it depends on which setup you've got.
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post #716 of 1494
8/17/12 at 6:02pm

All this IPMI goodness is really cool, looking forward to it.

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post #717 of 1494
8/17/12 at 6:25pm
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Originally Posted by Litlgi74 View Post

OK... tell PLEASE tell us how to set this up!

It would be my pleasure. :-)

First off, go into BIOS and find the IPMI Configuration page and select "Set LAN Configuration"



Next thing you will see is this page, leave the channel number as is and select "IP Address":



Here I just picked an IP outside of my home router's DHCP range, .10 sounded good:



Next into "Subnet Mask" page and use whatever your IP's subnet mask is:



That's it for BIOS settings, save and restart. Connect a cat5 or cat5e cable from your AOC USB2RJ45 card to your network switch or hub or router. 100Mb is fine.

Download IPMI View 2.9.10 from SuperMicro's site and install. Fire it up and you'll see this (after you do a "File->New->System" and fill in your details) :



The default login for this is "ADMIN" and the password is "ADMIN".

Also note the tabs along the bottom of the screenshot, some that are not self explanatory are "IPM Device" which is the page where you can remotely control power (power off/on/cycle). Another is "Text Console" and "KVM Console". KVM console is the one that works for this setup and you can use that to get to BIOS.

Hope that helps.
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post #718 of 1494
8/17/12 at 7:03pm
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Originally Posted by wkearney99 View Post

Can you drop out to the BIOS (reboot) and see what values are actually detected? I wouldn't go on just that IPMI value alone. It would seem very odd for that number alone to be that much higher than the processors. If the BIOS numbers don't match then perhaps an update to the IPMI bios is in order.

IPMI can read data from BIOS, all temperature values should match on IPMI or BIOS directly smile.gif
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post #719 of 1494
8/17/12 at 7:07pm
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Originally Posted by Defcon View Post

All this IPMI goodness is really cool, looking forward to it.
really help for headless server smile.gif and can do remotely.
you will get spoiled with IPMI heheh.

some IPMI require extra licenses( HP and IBM do forcing to buy license to get fully IPMI features:P).
It looks that some tyan and supermicro IPMI do not need further licensing or you have to buy another supported IPMI card to get full features smile.gif
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post #720 of 1494
8/17/12 at 7:11pm
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Originally Posted by ugotd8 View Post

.... KVM console is the one that works for this setup and you can use that to get to BIOS.
Hope that helps.
KVM is a remote keyboard/monitor where you can see/control your server screen virtually on IPMI viewer

on previous AIC server deal, installed IPMI card does not support KVM.
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