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Originally Posted by bing281 View Post

I don't understand how you could use these drivers with the supermicro board?

I am not sure what you don't understand.... confused.gif

They are the most current drivers for the chipset on the Supermicro SAT2-MV8 cards...



Just trust me on this one. biggrin.gif
post #752 of 2256
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Originally Posted by bing281 View Post

You are correct the fan wall should blow back (suck through hard drives) to the back of the case and the rear fans out.

Well not until you put the top of the case back on! biggrin.gif
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post #754 of 2256
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Originally Posted by Litlgi74 View Post

I am not sure what you don't understand.... confused.gif
They are the most current drivers for the chipset on the Supermicro SAT2-MV8 cards...

Just trust me on this one. biggrin.gif

ahh I understand. I was talking about using the ports on the motherboard to run 2 SSD Hard Drives in RAID1. However as I have found out the chipset on the motherboard does not support AHCI and I was trying to figure out what to do.
post #755 of 2256
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Originally Posted by bima View Post

please post the in detail biggrin.gif including the parts that you bought from Lowes.

Thanks for the confirmation. That saved me from redoing everything...


Detail for "lackrack".... Not that difficult, done in about 45mins

Step 1 - Go to Ikea and buy 2 Lack side tables

Step 2 - Go to Lowes, buy these: (2) 2" Casters (comes in a pack of 2) and (1) Stanley Brackets (comes in a pack of 4 with screws)

Step 3 - Build Lack table - Instructions

Step 4 - Build second Lack table

Step 5 - Place one table on top of the other

Step 6 - Take Stanley Bracket and connect leg of top table to the "table" part of the bottom table.

Step 7 - Repeat Step 6, 3 more times.

Step 8 - Mount caster on the bottom table (used some wood screws I had laying around).

Step 9 - Repeat Step 8, 3 more times.

Step 10 - ENJOY YOUR NEW LACKRACK

That is it...... I put the beast on top of of the bottom table to support the weight.

I will try to add some pics when I get a chance.

Speedbal
post #756 of 2256
So I have the Norco fan wall but wasn't really liking the fit in my Supermicro 846 series case. After removing all the noisy stuff from the machine, and cramming in the Norco wall behind the 1" rise of the mount for the 80mm fan wall, I got to thinking that there must be a better way. Right now I'm experimenting with the idea of using a piece of HDPE (High Density Polyethylene) cut to 16.5" x 5 3/8" x .5". This would then have 3 holes cut for 120mm fans which would bolt through. I would then use some 1/2" metal or plastic channel secured to either end of the case. This opens up a lot of options:
1. It allows us to reduce the shop-vac level volume of the fans WITHOUT compromising airflow.
2. It makes the fan wall easy to remove.
3. Since the wall is easy to remove, it makes working on cabling a whole lot easier.
4. It makes removing/replacing failed fans much easier than it would have been with the 120mm Norco fan wall.

Anyway, if anyone's interested in collaborating on this to make an effective aftermarket fan wall, I'd be glad to give my assistance as well. Feel free to contact me at timodomATgmailDOTcom.
post #757 of 2256
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Originally Posted by speedbal View Post

Thanks for the confirmation. That saved me from redoing everything...
Detail for "lackrack".... Not that difficult, done in about 45mins
Step 1 - Go to Ikea and buy 2 Lack side tables
Step 2 - Go to Lowes, buy these: (2) 2" Casters (comes in a pack of 2) and (1) Stanley Brackets (comes in a pack of 4 with screws)
Step 3 - Build Lack table - Instructions
Step 4 - Build second Lack table
Step 5 - Place one table on top of the other
Step 6 - Take Stanley Bracket and connect leg of top table to the "table" part of the bottom table.
Step 7 - Repeat Step 6, 3 more times.
Step 8 - Mount caster on the bottom table (used some wood screws I had laying around).
Step 9 - Repeat Step 8, 3 more times.
Step 10 - ENJOY YOUR NEW LACKRACK
That is it...... I put the beast on top of of the bottom table to support the weight.
I will try to add some pics when I get a chance.
Speedbal

thanks!!
post #758 of 2256
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Originally Posted by coolrunnings82 View Post

So I have the Norco fan wall but wasn't really liking the fit in my Supermicro 846 series case. After removing all the noisy stuff from the machine, and cramming in the Norco wall behind the 1" rise of the mount for the 80mm fan wall, I got to thinking that there must be a better way. Right now I'm experimenting with the idea of using a piece of HDPE (High Density Polyethylene) cut to 16.5" x 5 3/8" x .5". This would then have 3 holes cut for 120mm fans which would bolt through. I would then use some 1/2" metal or plastic channel secured to either end of the case. This opens up a lot of options:
1. It allows us to reduce the shop-vac level volume of the fans WITHOUT compromising airflow.
2. It makes the fan wall easy to remove.
3. Since the wall is easy to remove, it makes working on cabling a whole lot easier.
4. It makes removing/replacing failed fans much easier than it would have been with the 120mm Norco fan wall.
Anyway, if anyone's interested in collaborating on this to make an effective aftermarket fan wall, I'd be glad to give my assistance as well. Feel free to contact me at timodomATgmailDOTcom.

that is possible, just use 114m hole-drill to make 120mm fan hole, and download 120mm template:D

does norco fan wall not fit?

I just bought norco wall .
post #759 of 2256
The Norco wall could be made to fit, however, getting it in and out is a huge hassle + you'd have to cut the bottom little 1" lip off with a dremel to get it to not obstruct the fan holes. Additionally, you lose the benefit of the cable routing through the bottom with that approach. I've got the Norco wall but I am thinking that this solution will be worth the extra effort.
post #760 of 2256
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Originally Posted by bing281 View Post

I am putting 10GB per CPU. I am going to be running Windows Server 2012 on this machine.

I seem to recall windows 2012 not being able to use the SAT2-MV8 card driver, not even the Sonnet one. This was with the X7DBE motherboard, but it was the card driver that wouldn't come up. In Win7 it seemed to be OK, but win12 was having none of it. it just kept coming up with the error 10 in the device manager; not being able to start the driver. Why, I have no idea. I've not tried it native with win12 on the X7DWE board I'm using now. I wouldn't expect it to work.

I've also tried using the SAT2-MV8 passed through to a win8 vm guest on an ESXi5 server... no dice. If the card has any drives attached it causes a hard lock-up of the ESXi host. Curiously though the sonnet driver did install and appear to work. Just not with any drives connected to it.

Given the age of the card and it's rather lackluster performance compared to current stuff I wouldn't expect much in the way of updates for it. Start trolling for an inexpensive M1015 on ebay...
post #761 of 2256
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Originally Posted by wkearney99 View Post

I seem to recall windows 2012 not being able to use the SAT2-MV8 card driver, not even the Sonnet one. This was with the X7DBE motherboard, but it was the card driver that wouldn't come up. In Win7 it seemed to be OK, but win12 was having none of it. it just kept coming up with the error 10 in the device manager; not being able to start the driver. Why, I have no idea. I've not tried it native with win12 on the X7DWE board I'm using now. I wouldn't expect it to work....

I have the H8DME-2 with the SAT2-MV8 and used the sonnet driver with Server 2012 and had no issues. I have been able to create one large pool and have added 8 1-2 TB HDD to the pool already, and created 2 virtual disks (one parity and one mirrored) without any issues. I also helped another forum user with his X7DBE-X setup and we were able to setup Server 2012 in the same manor.

k
post #762 of 2256
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Originally Posted by coolrunnings82 View Post

The Norco wall could be made to fit, however, getting it in and out is a huge hassle + you'd have to cut the bottom little 1" lip off with a dremel to get it to not obstruct the fan holes. Additionally, you lose the benefit of the cable routing through the bottom with that approach. I've got the Norco wall but I am thinking that this solution will be worth the extra effort.

interesting....

do you have a scratch drawing for fan-wall? I would like to see, since my supermicro 4U order would take days to arrive
post #763 of 2256
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Originally Posted by wkearney99 View Post

......ng able to start the driver. Why, I have no idea. I've not tried it native with win12 on the X7DWE board I'm using now. I wouldn't expect it to work.
I've also tried using the SAT2-MV8 passed through to a win8 vm guest on an ESXi5 server... no dice. If the card has any drives attached it causes a hard lock-up of the ESXi host. Curiously though the sonnet driver did install and appear to work. Just not with any drives connected to it.
Given the age of the card and it's rather lackluster performance compared to current stuff I wouldn't expect much in the way of updates for it. Start trolling for an inexpensive M1015 on ebay...
I passthrough sat2-mv8 to Open Indiana and works under esx5.

this is an interesting part, If passthrough to centos-6.3, the sat2-mv8 are detected, and can load the module, but kernel-module for marvel.. are complaining can not read/faill to detect as failing HDs from sat2-mv8. and the most interesting part is hehehe when I shutdown esxi5.... it will lock the whole system :P....

I understand that Open Indiana is using an old module from open solaris, and centos is using stable version with updated fixes (not from marvel)

my curiosity are:
1) I can passthrough M1015 and H200 without hick-ups biggrin.gif,
2) I can not passthrough Adaptec Card, the kernel module give me kernel panic :|.

at the end , I trust LSI chipset variances for passing through on esxi, very good work from LSI team biggrin.gif heehhehe

I am waiting to buy M1015 or dell200 smile.gif.... M1015 is overpriced on ebay currently
post #764 of 2256
................. double posted.
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Well I've got the guts ripped out, just waiting for FedEx, UPS and USPS to drop off my new stuff. It's going to be a busy day of deliveries. wink.gif

I had to redo all the SATA card wiring because it was a mess. It's still not great, but it will do the job and allow decent airflow.

I also relocated the IDE hard drive and attached it above the PCI slots with some nuts/bolts and rubber grommets. It's actually quite sturdy and should be fairly easy to take off if I ever need to add/remove PCI cards.

I'm actually in the process of moving to a new house and I packed away all my PC cables and accesories already (including my molex splitters) so I really hope the new PSU has enough molex connectors to power everything.

Thanks to the OP and everyone else for this great deal and tutorials!

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post #766 of 2256
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Originally Posted by speedbal View Post

Thanks for the confirmation. That saved me from redoing everything...
Detail for "lackrack".... Not that difficult, done in about 45mins
Step 1 - Go to Ikea and buy 2 Lack side tables
Step 2 - Go to Lowes, buy these: (2) 2" Casters (comes in a pack of 2) and (1) Stanley Brackets (comes in a pack of 4 with screws)
Step 3 - Build Lack table - Instructions
Step 4 - Build second Lack table
Step 5 - Place one table on top of the other
Step 6 - Take Stanley Bracket and connect leg of top table to the "table" part of the bottom table.
Step 7 - Repeat Step 6, 3 more times.
Step 8 - Mount caster on the bottom table (used some wood screws I had laying around).
Step 9 - Repeat Step 8, 3 more times.
Step 10 - ENJOY YOUR NEW LACKRACK
That is it...... I put the beast on top of of the bottom table to support the weight.
I will try to add some pics when I get a chance.
Speedbal


How tall is your "lackrack"? I would like to make something similar myself but want to make sure on height and seeing how many I can fit in my closet.
post #767 of 2256
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Originally Posted by bima View Post

interesting....
do you have a scratch drawing for fan-wall? I would like to see, since my supermicro 4U order would take days to arrive

Unfortunately I do not have one yet. I tend to be lousy at drawing. I will see what I can come up with though.
post #768 of 2256
Question for all of you replacing the 900W PSUs on the H8DME-2. Are you using the extra 4pin mobo power connector (J32) ? Or, are you just connecting the 24pin (JPW1) and 8pin (JPW2) ?

EDIT: Note to self, the search function works. biggrin.gif
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Do the Sonnet drivers support AHCI? Or do I need to get an additional SATA card for that? I was also thinking of getting this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817998183) to mount an SSD. Is there enough space to do this? I could just stick it with velcro on the inside somewhere but that doesn't seem too neat.

post #770 of 2256
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Originally Posted by Litlgi74 View Post

I look forward to seeing the back wall fans installed.

Some more pics including the fan wall and the back wall. I have 8 of my drives installed and am working on getting the OS setup the way I want it before transferring files, setting up some VMs and retiring some of my old systems biggrin.gif

As info... I placed my SSD on the wall opposite the PSU attached with velcro tape for easy removal. I think it is a solid and flexible solution.

k




post #771 of 2256
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Originally Posted by utee05 View Post

How tall is your "lackrack"? I would like to make something similar myself but want to make sure on height and seeing how many I can fit in my closet.

38 1/4" Tall (with casters). The caster add a little over 2.5" to the height.

Speedbal
Edited by speedbal - 8/20/12 at 7:25pm
post #772 of 2256
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Originally Posted by jusjoken View Post

Some more pics including the fan wall and the back wall. I have 8 of my drives installed and am working on getting the OS setup the way I want it before transferring files, setting up some VMs and retiring some of my old systems biggrin.gif
As info... I placed my SSD on the wall opposite the PSU attached with velcro tape for easy removal. I think it is a solid and flexible solution.
k

Those enermax fans look killer! Now when are you going to clean up that rats nest of cables? eek.gif

It is possible... Just look at mine! biggrin.gif


Edited by Litlgi74 - 8/20/12 at 7:28pm
post #773 of 2256
Here are some sketches of the 120mm fan wall. Kudos to my daughter - I can't figure out sketchup to save my life!







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I've had a really busy couple of days but finally got around to running this. And since it bears repeating, this thing is LOUD !!

I felt a strange kind of pride running this data center beast in my tiny apartment :) Or maybe it was foolishness. It completely drowned out the tv + home theater and will be perfect when the neighbors make too much noise!

 

Quick video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmLZW36P7tQ

 

Good news is everything seems in good condition. Powers up, memory and RAID cards are recognized, and I updated the bios to 3.5. While I wait for all the parts to arrive, I think I'm going to try installing Server Essentials 2012 beta on the included IDE drive, and verify that the 3 SAT2-MV8 cards work, as well as play with IPMI. Also I should be able to replace the 5 fans since they're hotswap and see if it makes any difference, right?

 

Is it normal that the psu's don't turn off when I shut the server down from the front power? Is it because they need to be up for remote start via IPMI?

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Another question - can I remove the AOC-USB2RJ45 card? As I understand its there to provide a dedicated network connection for IPMI, but the IPMI card can also get its own IP from the network used for data. Is this correct? I could use the slot for other cards.

 

edit - looking at the motherboard manual it seems like that card is in a dedicated SIM slot for IPMI.


Edited by Defcon - 8/21/12 at 1:53am
post #776 of 2256
I ordered one of the 12bay 2u systems. It should arrive Thursday.

I am a total novice when it comes to this sort of thing. I have built one computer successfully, was an early adopter of the Assassin way. I have been looking at unraid for quite some time and had pieced together a recommended build in to a wishlist at newegg. But I never pulled the trigger, partly due to cost of the system and then to the post tsunami rise in HD prices.

I have just a small portion of my movie library ripped, mostly just the kids' movies and with my entire music library ripped to WAV I have 2TB of data there alone. I have been looking to expand and this seemed like the perfect cost/performance item.

I have 4 2TB hard drives at the moment and can expand as I fill them up.

I no experience with a system like this and only knowing what is possible with it based on what has been posted here. I think I'll just install 3 drives and unraid to start with, see if I can get it working with my Dune player and JRiver instances running on other PCs. From the sound of how unraid works with the motherboard, and that this system works out of the box, it should be a simple thing to get the OS installed and be ready to go with no further modifications. The thing will be on the storage/equipment/laundry side of my basement so sound shouldn't be too much of an issue. If it is louder than my furnace, then I may need to make some changes.

Thanks for this thread. Hopefully I won't be needing too much support when this thing arrives. If anyone has info that I should know before proceeding, I'd be happy to have it.
post #777 of 2256
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Originally Posted by bfhancock View Post

Ok. So if I just want a good file server. Which one of the servers he lists in the updated first post should I get?

Never really received any advice on this question. Thanks for any input!
post #778 of 2256
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Originally Posted by bfhancock View Post

Never really received any advice on this question. Thanks for any input!
Probably because it's not the best way to ask the question. "Should I buy a car?" is likewise vague. The machines are decent quality stuff, better than you might find purchasing a new Norco. That's the appeal of the bargain. Which one is up to you. Know that all of them are server-grade boxes and WILL come with fans designed to pull a LOT of air through the case. This means they'll be noisy, much, MUCH noisier than any garden-variety PC you'd EVER have in a home or small office. They're designed to be rack mounted in a server room. If you want to make them quieter or use them outside of a rack then you'd have to be prepared to modify them.

So it's entirely up to you if you want to buy one or not, and which one would be of interest. If you can't read the thread here and come up with enough information to make your decision then maybe these boxes aren't the right ones for you. Can't make it much clearer than that.
post #779 of 2256
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Originally Posted by bfhancock View Post

Never really received any advice on this question. Thanks for any input!

Depends on what your needs are.

  • Do you need 24 SATA spaces, or will 12 suffice?
  • Do you have room for a 2U server, or 4U?
  • Do you think you'll have the need for a dual CPU setup?
  • Is noise going to be a concern?


The 12-bay 2U units will be smaller (obviously), less noisy and only allow single CPU unless you change the motherboard.

Whichever one you decide on, be prepared to spend about $75-$100 on shipping in addition to the cost of the server. And if you want a quieter server, be prepared to do some modding and spend another $150ish on new fans and PSU.

I purchased the 4U unit and am in the process of adding/upgrading components. I'm upgrading to dual six-core processors and 16 total gigs of RAM, replacing the PSU and all the case fans. After all is said and done I'll be at about $700, not including the cost of hard drives or software. I only upgraded the CPU and RAM because I will be doing transcoding, running multiple VMs and hosting a voice server. However, the stock configuration will work just fine for a basic media server.
post #780 of 2256
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Originally Posted by Biggrich76 View Post

I purchased the 4U unit and am in the process of adding/upgrading components. I'm upgrading to dual six-core processors and 16 total gigs of RAM, replacing the PSU and all the case fans. After all is said and done I'll be at about $700, not including the cost of hard drives or software. I only upgraded the CPU and RAM because I will be doing transcoding, running multiple VMs and hosting a voice server. However, the stock configuration will work just fine for a basic media server.

What processors you upgrading to?
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