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post #931 of 2256
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Originally Posted by OneFast3 View Post

This is on the supermicro case. I just dont seem to like this H8DM8E motherboard at all. Was hoping to put the bigger 120mm fan wall in so if i need more cooling I can run them faster but no, the motherboard runs them full speed no matter what I do. Is their a work around for this? I tried speedfan but to no luck at all. They are pwm fans and tried to connect to cpu fan for control. Have tried settings in bios at server and workstation. Just wants to run them at 2k (full speed) at all times. Did not try running on the backplane but i'm sure that runs them at full speed too.
Guessing my only option is to replace the fans with ones that are slower and at a sound level I can tolerate. Sucks having everything in 1 room.
You can always just undervolt the fans rather than buying new ones.

Wait, you're not talking about the original fans, are you? Those can't be undervolted enough to run quiet.
post #932 of 2256
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Originally Posted by bima View Post

pins for HD Cage?
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just use a small pliers ( I already have it), and twist it biggrin.gif, done. easy to remove
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Maybe I'm just too timid but for the life of me I can't get them to twist out.

Wait, just to be sure, I should grab them from the top/motherboard side, twist and pull, right?

(oh, the humanity!)
post #933 of 2256
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Originally Posted by avslensman View Post

You can always just undervolt the fans rather than buying new ones.
Wait, you're not talking about the original fans, are you? Those can't be undervolted enough to run quiet.

No some 120mm pwm fans that I had. No i'm taking them out and got a 4 pack of 120mm's for a little bit of nothing to use for now to see how they work (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000O8I474) they are only 19 dba. I will have to post pics after im done.

How much air do you really need going through these things for our purpose? Im thinking that should be plenty but will watch of course.
post #934 of 2256
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Originally Posted by avslensman View Post

Maybe I'm just too timid but for the life of me I can't get them to twist out.
Wait, just to be sure, I should grab them from the top/motherboard side, twist and pull, right?
(oh, the humanity!)

smile.gif hhaha....

let the force be with you.
correct. do from the top:D.

a bit wiggle and twist.
post #935 of 2256
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Originally Posted by wkearney99 View Post

Agreed. I switched to four 4GB modules instead and they're cooler than the same four 2GB modules. I have not measured the wattage difference (but will try if I've got the time).

7W-10W :P..

if just populated in 4 slots, you are saving ~28-40 W :P hhehe

I have 8 slots populated (4 from the server and 4 from mine).. 4G modules are expensive hehehe...
Edited by bima - 9/5/12 at 12:43pm
post #936 of 2256
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Originally Posted by OneFast3 View Post

How much air do you really need going through these things for our purpose? Im thinking that should be plenty but will watch of course.

Just check fan spec:
120mm
1200 RPM±10% 44.73 CFM
Sleeve

please remember, sleeve bearing fan has a short life for 24/7.

1200RPM should be adequate for your purpose. on my testing: 1200-1600rpm should not hurt HDs,






I recommend to buy better fans, for example, liquid/fluid bearing, ball bearing , or dual ball bearing( noisier).
post #937 of 2256
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Originally Posted by bima View Post

please remember, sleeve bearing fan has a short life for 24/7.
I think sleeve bearing fans are fine when installed upright, as they are in the fan wall (and at the back of this case, for that matter.

Sleeve bearing fans have a much shorter lifespan when installed "flat", but should have an average lifespan of about 7 years as installed - especially if it is low-rpm. No doubt, a ball bearing fan will last longer at around 11-12 years of continuous operation.

Please take all these numbers with a grain of salt. They are quoted from one manufacturer and should not be indicative of your fan's lifespan. smile.gif

I much prefer sleeve bearing fans when I can install them in the preferred orientation. I go for fluid dynamic bearings when I have to install a fan flat.
post #938 of 2256
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Originally Posted by bima View Post

7W-10W :P..
if just populated in 4 slots, you are saving ~28-40 W :P hhehe
I have 8 slots populated (4 from the server and 4 from mine).. 4G modules are expensive hehehe...

With 8 slots populated, your energy bill would be nasty. 56w - 80w just to power the RAM. Ouch. Total server draw will be over 300w. At $0.11/kwh, your monthly power bill (for 24/7) just for this server will be $24. Thats why these servers will only see backup duty, several hours per week.
Edited by tr0910 - 9/5/12 at 9:02pm
post #939 of 2256
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Originally Posted by avslensman View Post

I think sleeve bearing fans are fine when installed upright, as they are in the fan wall (and at the back of this case, for that matter.
Sleeve bearing fans have a much shorter lifespan when installed "flat", but should have an average lifespan of about 7 years as installed - especially if it is low-rpm. No doubt, a ball bearing fan will last longer at around 11-12 years of continuous operation.
Please take all these numbers with a grain of salt. They are quoted from one manufacturer and should not be indicative of your fan's lifespan. smile.gif
I much prefer sleeve bearing fans when I can install them in the preferred orientation. I go for fluid dynamic bearings when I have to install a fan flat.

nope, just check the structure of sleeve bearing, the bearing will not last long due.
you can read for fun on http://www.digikey.com/Web%20Export/Supplier%20Content/ComairRotron_25/PDF/Comair_Noise_CoolingFan.pdf?redirected=1

sleeve bearing using thin layer to minimize friction, the thin layer will dry up due on friction, heat, leak and aging
fluid dynamic bearing is a breakthrough of sleeve bearing, where there are other mechanical parts are added smile.gif, this is why sleeve bearing is cheap smile.gif and fluid bearing is more than sleeve.
you can read some testing on fluid bearing -> http://www.usdidactic.com/images/produktbilder/04028000/Datenblatt/04028000%202.pdf

on my experience,
sleeve bearing fan will crap out with-in 2 years smile.gif.... I always avoid sleeve bearing for 24/7 machine.
post #940 of 2256
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Originally Posted by tr0910 View Post

With 8 slots populated, your energy bill would be nasty. 56w - 80w just to power the RAM. Ouch. Total server draw will be over 300w. At $0.11/kwh, your monthly power bill (for 24/7) just for this server will be $24. Thats why these servers will only see backup duty, several hours per week.

if you fully utilize the RAM 24/7 for a month.. your assumption would be true..:P

this depends on the workload,
it is nasty during peak time (high memory utilization)
FB-DIMM take less power during idle condition where the processor(micro) on each module takes lowest power consumption.
as I remember, those specification are explained on vendor's FB-DIMM RAM Spec..

how do we balance those "power hunger" condition:
1) use "fast" xeon processor to speed up any memory hunger process/task
2) used Low power xeon processor to assume that not many memory hunger process/tasks are running for a long time.

honestly, I3/E3 is good performance for not many VMs running.
dual Xeon 5XXX is better performance for many VMs running.

nothing perfect, just suit yourself what you need

we should consider, DDR2 takes more power than DDR3
if you need to compare: try to compare DDR2 RDIMM with DDR2 FB-DIMM in overall

general side note:
I think, Intel had a good decision when abandoning FB-DIMM and moved to RDIMM, where AMD had to stop bashing Intel that xeon (with FB-DIMM) take more power consumption at that time smile.gif. heheheh

well, if we talk about software RAID running 24/7 that use alot of memory process. I would pick intel i3/E3 with ECC UDIMM or amd buldozer with ECC UDIMM.
Edited by bima - 9/6/12 at 5:56am
post #941 of 2256
Anybody interested in some of the parts from these servers?

I've got a full original 4U 199 server from the first sale, a xeon board as it came, an amd board as it came, and the 6 SATA cards.

I've moved into the supermicro 4U with a dual 2011 Xeon setup so no need for all the rest of the stuff.
post #942 of 2256
if anyone need LSI HBA card, you can get dell H200 for $75 free S/H on ebay ( make an offer to get $75), since IBM M1015 is overpriced as know
seach with keywords "Dell Perc H200 47MCV Module Controller with Cables" on ebay.

http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?t=1045376 <- how to flash to IR or IT with dell Firmware..

I bought additional H200 to complete my setup biggrin.gif.
post #943 of 2256
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Originally Posted by bima View Post

the PSU is a vampire, whom sucking power smile.gif hehehe
PSU is rate 65% efficiency, an Old design around 2005.
I already posted PSU information in this thread including spec in pdf link

Any redundant-and-efficient server PSU you can recommend to replace the 2U server PSUs?
post #944 of 2256
Does anyone have a picture of how the power/LED cable is supposed to be connected to the motherboard? It doesn't have the proper number of pins and I'm assuming it wasn't connected properly at the time of shipment because the power button does not function.

Thanks to everyone for all the great info in this thread. These servers are great and you have all helped in making the noise very manageable!
post #945 of 2256
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Originally Posted by cyruspy View Post

Any redundant-and-efficient server PSU you can recommend to replace the 2U server PSUs?

that will be expensive :P... for example, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817338089
post #946 of 2256
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Originally Posted by Hiller131 View Post

Does anyone have a picture of how the power/LED cable is supposed to be connected to the motherboard? It doesn't have the proper number of pins and I'm assuming it wasn't connected properly at the time of shipment because the power button does not function.
Thanks to everyone for all the great info in this thread. These servers are great and you have all helped in making the noise very manageable!
since no one answer, :P

I assume on 4U supermicro:
you just plug the connector to supermicro motherboard. done!, only one connector.
post #947 of 2256
Just got my AIC server today, boy is it loud! (going to be in the garage, so not too concerned about that). Apparently the screws for the HDD trays are special. Someone mentioned these: http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=CA-MCP45ON but they look like they are for the supermicro chassis, not the AIC. Will they work regardless?
post #948 of 2256
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Originally Posted by BigWah View Post

Just got my AIC server today, boy is it loud! (going to be in the garage, so not too concerned about that). Apparently the screws for the HDD trays are special. Someone mentioned these: http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=CA-MCP45ON but they look like they are for the supermicro chassis, not the AIC. Will they work regardless?
sure!!! smile.gif
post #949 of 2256
Finally got my 2U up and running yesterday. I have to say it was much easier than I had expected. I now have a fully functional server for 500-600 bucks (including 2 3TB hard drives), which really is the deal of the century. I have 8 bays left, but I won't need to populate them for quite a while.

I've replaced the 80mm fans, but left the power supply. The PSU does feel like a power hungery beast though. I don't have a watt meter, but judging by the heat and noise it produces it doesn't seem very efficient. I will most likely replace it at some point in the future, but that is a very minor flaw for the price.

Most of the posters here have a 4U. Any 2U users have any idea what kind of power it draws while idle? Mine has a Core 2 Duo E8400 and 4 gigs of RAM.
Edited by cshaw88 - 9/12/12 at 7:34am
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Originally Posted by cshaw88 View Post

Finally got my 2U up and running yesterday. I have to say it was much easier than I had expected. I now have a fully functional server for 500-600 bucks (including 2 3TB hard drives), which really is the deal of the century. I have 8 bays left, but I won't need to populate them for quite a while.
I've replaced the 80mm fans, but left the power supply. The PSU does feel like a power hungery beast though. I don't have a watt meter, but judging by the heat and noise it produces it doesn't seem very efficient. I will most likely replace it at some point in the future, but that is a very minor flaw for the price.
Most of the posters here have a 4U. Any 2U users have any idea what kind of power it draws while idle? Mine has a Core 2 Duo E8400 and 4 gigs of RAM.

How did you manage to replace the 80mm fans in the fan wall? I can get the fan enclosures out of the fan wall fine, but I can't figure out how to remove the power plug from the clip without breaking it. Help?
post #951 of 2256
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Originally Posted by theslim1 View Post

How did you manage to replace the 80mm fans in the fan wall? I can get the fan enclosures out of the fan wall fine, but I can't figure out how to remove the power plug from the clip without breaking it. Help?

It did require a lot of force to get the plastic clip off. I applied most of the pressure from the top with a tiny flat head screwdriver. To be honest two of them flew out of my hands I had to press so hard. Luckily for me they didn't break though. They could always be glued back together if you do break one or two, I don't think it would be a big deal.
post #952 of 2256
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Originally Posted by cshaw88 View Post

It did require a lot of force to get the plastic clip off. I applied most of the pressure from the top with a tiny flat head screwdriver. To be honest two of them flew out of my hands I had to press so hard. Luckily for me they didn't break though. They could always be glued back together if you do break one or two, I don't think it would be a big deal.

Damn.. Think i'll just skip using the silly clip and just plug them directly into the mobo. What fans did you end up going with?
post #953 of 2256
I just went with the same 80mm artic cooling fans listed in the OP. Compared to the PSU they are virtually silent. My 2U sits in a storage area in my basement so a little noise isn't a big deal.
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my on-going project: "minimizing noise"
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post #955 of 2256
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Originally Posted by bima View Post

my on-going project: "minimizing noise"
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Not enough drive bays.biggrin.gif
post #956 of 2256
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Originally Posted by bima View Post

my on-going project: "minimizing noise"
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What do plan on using to sound dampen this? It looks like a 4 post open rack. I have two 24u racks that I am trying to get creative with. I may just look at creating a complete room around them. Enclose them both inside drywall and then vent it.

The less work the better though.
post #957 of 2256
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Originally Posted by NewOrlnsDukie View Post

Not enough drive bays.biggrin.gif
hahah, :P....
post #958 of 2256
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Originally Posted by mexicanmike03 View Post

What do plan on using to sound dampen this? It looks like a 4 post open rack. I have two 24u racks that I am trying to get creative with. I may just look at creating a complete room around them. Enclose them both inside drywall and then vent it.
The less work the better though.

I got an inspiration when saw netshelter biggrin.gif

actually, it is not a lot of work for me,

sound dampen is the last list on my to do list.

this is not a post open rack, very old telecom rack, luckly aluminum welded frames , not heavy), it should has all panels on side/front/back. I only got the frame/rack only.. no complain... since free.
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I bought put rails $38 for 2 pairs, 14U length with some nuts/bolts ($4 for rail, $2 for holding rails to frames), and some misc items from my garage treasures :P

on going list:
1) a back-wall with 4 200mm fans including diverted barrier to minimize noise
2) side panels
3) front door with air intake-filter
4) sound dampening.. around $75-$100, if needed smile.gif. last option when I need to silent more noises

all wall and panel material is not decided, I am sill looking cheapest material
I estimate my total will be minimal than buying commercial product


enclosing to drywall is not on my list. I would like make a "beauty" case that would not sore eyes...biggrin.gif

when everything is done, I would apply fake-wood laminate
Edited by bima - 9/14/12 at 6:04pm
post #959 of 2256
Does anybody know if these server deals are still going on?
post #960 of 2256
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by stl drifter View Post

Does anybody know if these server deals are still going on?

Sorry... Spoke with Jason at TamSolutions yesterday... All the AICs and complete 4U and 2U Supermicros are sold out.

The do expect many more in the upcoming months...

Just be patient... it will be worth it!
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