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Originally Posted by dumbasbell View Post

So if it is different each time, how can you trust it? On the side subject, after my latest Audyssey calibration the dialog in the center channel seem overshadowed by all the other sounds from all other speakers. Is there any way to tone down all the background noise and music and tone up the dialog? Plus there is way too much bass in the dialog, is there a way to clear up the dialog?

Unless you've got the mic in the exact same position every time, subtle differences would be expected. Also note that to improve center channel dialog by reducing the bass/surround audio boost from Dyn EQ you can increase the Reference Level Offset to 10db or 15db (see p. 67).
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I just found something on the internet that made me curious about doing the calibration manually rather than automatically through Audyssey. If I was to attempt this(manual calibration), can you guys here give me any and all info about doing it myself? From recommending the sound meter to how to use it and all the steps to do the calibration, I need all the info. I also would like to hear from everyone who attempted and succeeded. Thank you.
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For the third time in about a week, my 818 stopped sending the HDMI video signal. Once while watching a Blu-Ray movie, and twice while streaming Netflix.

Each time it happened was after being powered on for about ten minutes. Nothing else was out of the ordinary and no other components were affected. The speakers just clicked off and the front panel said "no signal". There was no obvious way to recover, other than turning it off and on again. That works every time.

Lemon?
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Originally Posted by boidsonly View Post

@ scsnospam What happened to all the $899 deals? I've been waiting patiently but no dice.
I purchased mine from here (authorized seller) for 850 shipped on 6-25-12. I am not promoting them, just the fact that I chanced upon a great deal. A phone call certainly will not waste your time...
Hi-Fi Heaven
920-494-8999
1549 SIXTH ST.
GREEN BAY, WI 543042254
Best regards,
Jeff

I verified they are authorized; well done sir. Wish you had posted that in the great found deals thread, would have saved me some duckets. Minor FYI, we are not supposed to be posting the numbers here, that's what that other section is for.
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Originally Posted by dstew100 View Post

we are not supposed to be posting the numbers here, that's what that other section is for.

What he said.
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That's it, I had it with audyssey. Everytime I calibrate it sets the center so low I can't hear the dialog. When I increase the volume to compensate, the Front and Surround gets too loud. When I turn down the volume the dialog gets too low. This would not be a big problem except that I live in apartment. I just can't win. I can't even return the receiver because 30 day return period has already passed.
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Your only likely solution is to get an external amp where you have control of the gain for the center channel. Or work to reposition the center channel to improve the in room response. Something like the Dayton omni mic or REW to see actual measurements would be valuable.
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Originally Posted by dumbasbell View Post

That's it, I had it with audyssey. Everytime I calibrate it sets the center so low I can't hear the dialog. When I increase the volume to compensate, the Front and Surround gets too loud. When I turn down the volume the dialog gets too low. This would not be a big problem except that I live in apartment. I just can't win. I can't even return the receiver because 30 day return period has already passed.

If the center volume is to low for your liking, all you have to do is go into settings on the 818 and turn the level up for just the center channel. Leave the other volume levels where they are at for the other channels. Or you can adjust those as well to your preference.

For me after I had run Audeysey, I did turn my heights up a bit louder, but I only did this because I really want to make sure I can hear my new height speakers. biggrin.gif

I left the levels all the same on my other 7 speakers. To me it sounds flat out awesome. biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by dumbasbell View Post

I just found something on the internet that made me curious about doing the calibration manually rather than automatically through Audyssey. If I was to attempt this(manual calibration), can you guys here give me any and all info about doing it myself? From recommending the sound meter to how to use it and all the steps to do the calibration, I need all the info. I also would like to hear from everyone who attempted and succeeded. Thank you.

You can do level calibration manually but you'll loose MultEQ equalization and Dynamic EQ.

Get a SPL meter and set it to C-weighting, slow. Mount the SPL meter on a stand and put it at the main listening position. For each speaker play the test signal from the AVR. Adjust the speaker's gain until every speaker reads 75 dB SPL C on the meter.

Anyhow, in the end you'll most likely find out that Audyssey had set levels quite exact and the problem is your room and/or the speakers and how you have them set up. You should visit the Audyssey thread for further assistance.
Edited by markus767 - 7/13/12 at 10:45pm
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I am thinking that maybe I am having all these issues is because I have a defective unit. What do you think?
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Also there is something thats been bugging me since I got any receiver. I have Monster THX certified speaker wire. Thing is it doesn't have + or - on it so I don't know which is red or black. It does have writing on the one strip and nothing on the other. So which one plugs into positive and which one plugs into negative?
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Originally Posted by dumbasbell View Post

I am thinking that maybe I am having all these issues is because I have a defective unit. What do you think?

First you should troubleshoot MultEQ calibration. Please go to the Audyssey thread.
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Originally Posted by dumbasbell View Post

I just found something on the internet that made me curious about doing the calibration manually rather than automatically through Audyssey. If I was to attempt this(manual calibration), can you guys here give me any and all info about doing it myself? From recommending the sound meter to how to use it and all the steps to do the calibration, I need all the info. I also would like to hear from everyone who attempted and succeeded. Thank you.

Audyssey XT32 uses over 10,000 filters while "Manual" mode only uses a very basic 7-band equalizer ... not a fair comparison.
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Audyssey XT32 uses over 10,000 filters while "Manual" mode only uses a very basic 7-band equalizer ... not a fair comparison.

Audyssey does not use "over 10,000 filters", it uses one single filter per speaker. Nevertheless the resolution is much higher than the built-in graphic EQ. For practical purposes the built-in EQ is useless.
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Originally Posted by dumbasbell View Post

Also there is something thats been bugging me since I got any receiver. I have Monster THX certified speaker wire. Thing is it doesn't have + or - on it so I don't know which is red or black. It does have writing on the one strip and nothing on the other. So which one plugs into positive and which one plugs into negative?

Doesn't matter ... just make sure the wire with the "Monster" label gets plugged in to the same terminal at both ends.
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Originally Posted by 6sj7gt View Post

For the third time in about a week, my 818 stopped sending the HDMI video signal. Once while watching a Blu-Ray movie, and twice while streaming Netflix.
Each time it happened was after being powered on for about ten minutes. Nothing else was out of the ordinary and no other components were affected. The speakers just clicked off and the front panel said "no signal". There was no obvious way to recover, other than turning it off and on again. That works every time.
Lemon?

I had the same issue in the beginning and no one replied to my 2 posts, so I thought I was the only one. Anyway, I turned on HDMI control and the HDMI standby feature on and this problem went away.

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Originally Posted by dumbasbell View Post

That's it, I had it with audyssey. Everytime I calibrate it sets the center so low I can't hear the dialog. When I increase the volume to compensate, the Front and Surround gets too loud. When I turn down the volume the dialog gets too low. This would not be a big problem except that I live in apartment. I just can't win. I can't even return the receiver because 30 day return period has already passed.

Just add about 2db to the center channel's level and maybe raise the crossover on the center from 80hz to 100hz.
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does the 818 have same issues the 806 had with getting very hot when powering all of the speakers for awhile. Has anything changed in the design of the amp to minimize this. I understand that wont go completely away but like to be not as bad.
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Originally Posted by dstew100 View Post

I verified they are authorized; well done sir. Wish you had posted that in the great found deals thread, would have saved me some duckets. Minor FYI, we are not supposed to be posting the numbers here, that's what that other section is for.

I found the a few of the vendors on eBay say authorized dealer and willing to get $830-$870 range.. I guess I should get there addy to confirm with they are a valid vendor..
Edited by chrisfromalbany - 7/14/12 at 6:10am
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Originally Posted by dumbasbell View Post

That's it, I had it with audyssey. Everytime I calibrate it sets the center so low I can't hear the dialog. ...

Pardon me for stating the obvious but be sure you set Audyssey to "movie" and not "music". Movie dialog has been very clear with mine.

Nothing's wrong with manually increasing the level of the center a dB or two and/or decreasing the others. Audyssey also has settings for Dynamic EQ and Loudness Plus that may be applicable to your circumstances. They default to "off" so experiment with them - they're described in the manual around page 60.

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Originally Posted by chrisfromalbany View Post

does the 818 have same issues the 806 had with getting very hot when powering all of the speakers for awhile.

I don't believe the 806 has an internal cooling fan. The 818 has two. My TX-SR607 (no fan) ran warm, but not uncomfortably so. The 818 is noticeably cooler. I cannot hear its cooling fans and am not certain they're even running.

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Originally Posted by UNICRON-WMD View Post

I had the same issue in the beginning and no one replied to my 2 posts, so I thought I was the only one. Anyway, I turned on HDMI control and the HDMI standby feature on and this problem went away.

Thanks, I'll try that (do you mean "HDMI through"?)

After thinking about it some more, I realized one potential correlation: the three "no signal" events occurred subsequent to times in which I was moving things around and had to shut the power completely down, or disconnected / reconnected HDMI cables earlier in the day. It has not occurred after leaving everything in standby and basically not doing anything between power cycles (yet).
Edited by 6sj7gt - 7/14/12 at 7:40am
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Originally Posted by UNICRON-WMD View Post

I had the same issue in the beginning and no one replied to my 2 posts, so I thought I was the only one. Anyway, I turned on HDMI control and the HDMI standby feature on and this problem went away.

Last night I had the first hiccup from the 818. I turned on the Mits pj, Directv, and then the receiver. I got audio but no picture. I turned the Directv off and on and then had picture but no audio. I turned the 818 off and on and it all synced up and it was fine from then on.

I have the latest firmware and really thought the 818 was immune to the horror stories that are posted about the little brothers of this line, particularly the 616, and I hope that this incident was an anomaly but time will tell. Maybe I'll try turning the 818 on first and if still having problems, your suggestions of HDMI control/standby.
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Originally Posted by 6sj7gt View Post

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Originally Posted by dumbasbell View Post

That's it, I had it with audyssey. Everytime I calibrate it sets the center so low I can't hear the dialog. ...

Pardon me for stating the obvious but be sure you set Audyssey to "movie" and not "music". Movie dialog has been very clear with mine.

Nothing's wrong with manually increasing the level of the center a dB or two and/or decreasing the others. Audyssey also has settings for Dynamic EQ and Loudness Plus that may be applicable to your circumstances. They default to "off" so experiment with them - they're described in the manual around page 60.

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Originally Posted by chrisfromalbany View Post

does the 818 have same issues the 806 had with getting very hot when powering all of the speakers for awhile.

I don't believe the 806 has an internal cooling fan. The 818 has two. My TX-SR607 (no fan) ran warm, but not uncomfortably so. The 818 is noticeably cooler. I cannot hear its cooling fans and am not certain they're even running.

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Originally Posted by UNICRON-WMD View Post

I had the same issue in the beginning and no one replied to my 2 posts, so I thought I was the only one. Anyway, I turned on HDMI control and the HDMI standby feature on and this problem went away.

Thanks, I'll try that (do you mean "HDMI through"?)

After thinking about it some more, I realized one potential correlation: the three "no signal" events occurred subsequent to times in which I was moving things around and had to shut the power completely down, or disconnected / reconnected HDMI cables earlier in the day. It has not occurred after leaving everything in standby and basically not doing anything between power cycles (yet).

I noticed you said you went from a 607 to the 818. That is what I would be going from also. I would be interested in your opinion of the differences.
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Originally Posted by markus767 View Post

Audyssey does not use "over 10,000 filters", it uses one single filter per speaker. Nevertheless the resolution is much higher than the built-in graphic EQ. For practical purposes the built-in EQ is useless.

Perhaps you would prefer it described as using over 10,000 filter "coefficients"? wink.gif
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Hello !

Who can help me to decide.. new AVR or not...

Now i use a Yamaha RX-A1010 for Stereo-Musik, 5.1 Musik (SACD DVD-Audio) and BluRay Films.
All on 5.1 (Bi-Amping for Fronts ELAC FS 209.2).

Now i consider to change to the TX-NR818 from Onkyo.

What do you think ? Whats better on TX-NR818 > whats maybe worse ?

+ much better Video-Chip
+ more Internetradio
+ better Remote Control > Yamaha RC is a piece of .... :-)

Sound ?
Power ?

- No S-Video Inputs


The AVR before the Yamaha RX-A1010 was a Onkyo TX-NR 807 but i needed 3D HDMI1.4 compatibility :-)
Edited by alex1971 - 7/14/12 at 12:11pm
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First question would be what did you think of the audio quality going from Audyssey MultEQ (807) to YPAO (1010)? Granted XT32 (818) is significantly better than MultEQ, are you ready to return to Audyssey?
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

First question would be what did you think of the audio quality going from Audyssey MultEQ (807) to YPAO (1010)? Granted XT32 (818) is significantly better than MultEQ, are you ready to return to Audyssey?

My first "big" Avr was the Denon AVR-3806 (first with HDMI) > Audyssey sounds badly for me > always OFF

Audyssey on Onkyo TX-NR 807 sounds "OK" for me

YPAO on Yamaha RX-A1010 sound better then Audyssey on TX-NR 807 (for me)


No Idea how XT32 sounds..... ??


POWER is also very important > i Like to hear 5.1 Concerts from e.g. Pink Floyd very very loud... ;-) AVRs get very hot..... :-) DENON 3806 was damaged ...

I love NET-Funktions > Web-Control, ANDROID-Control, InternetRadio, Homeserver-Musik....
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Question (although I think I already know the answer): have any of you set your receiver on top of a powered subwoofer? Advisable or not?
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^^
Not.
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Originally Posted by alex1971 View Post

My first "big" Avr was the Denon AVR-3806 (first with HDMI) > Audyssey sounds badly for me > always OFF
Audyssey on Onkyo TX-NR 807 sounds "OK" for me
YPAO on Yamaha RX-A1010 sound better then Audyssey on TX-NR 807 (for me)
No Idea how XT32 sounds..... ??
POWER is also very important > i Like to hear 5.1 Concerts from e.g. Pink Floyd very very loud... ;-) AVRs get very hot..... :-) DENON 3806 was damaged ...
I love NET-Funktions > Web-Control, ANDROID-Control, InternetRadio, Homeserver-Musik....

Although you did not prefer the MultEQ XT in the 3806, it's still possible you would prefer the MultEQ XT32 in the 818, although not something someone can just tell you, rather you'll have to experience it yourself as most folks do enjoy the benefit Audyssey offers.
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Originally Posted by abba1 View Post

Question (although I think I already know the answer): have any of you set your receiver on top of a powered subwoofer? Advisable or not?
I wouldn't do that mate.
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Originally Posted by Patrick Murphy View Post

Last night I had the first hiccup from the 818. I turned on the Mits pj, Directv, and then the receiver. I got audio but no picture. I turned the Directv off and on and then had picture but no audio. I turned the 818 off and on and it all synced up and it was fine from then on.
I have the latest firmware and really thought the 818 was immune to the horror stories that are posted about the little brothers of this line, particularly the 616, and I hope that this incident was an anomaly but time will tell. Maybe I'll try turning the 818 on first and if still having problems, your suggestions of HDMI control/standby.
I had the "no signal" problem again last night, fourth time in a week. I changed nothing - everything remained plugged in and in standby when not "on". This time it shut down after being on for over an hour.

Given the number of complaints about this problem on the Onkyo support forum, I can only conclude this problem is endemic to the product line.

My 818 is going back for a refund frown.gif Too bad, I really like the 818's features but random shutdowns like this are unacceptable.
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