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post #181 of 9534
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Originally Posted by skylarlove1999 View Post

The 818 blends the lows so much better with the center channel and the fronts. The 818 spreads the bass around the room so much better, never revealing where my Energy VSW 10 is located. The 809 made the location of my subwoofer obvious. That is the last word in Audyssey.

I have found the similar improvements in my system going from XT to XT32.

Bill
post #182 of 9534
I'm going from MultEQ to XT32 =^o
post #183 of 9534
And here i was contemplating picking up a used 805... now i am not so sure i can do that with a good conscious anymore.. :/
post #184 of 9534
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Originally Posted by djPerfectTrip View Post

I'm going from MultEQ to XT32 =^o

Me too. MultEQ in a Onkyo 707. I just placed the order with Vann's and I'm really excited. I loved what Audyssey has done with my system with little old MultEQ and can't wait to hear it with XT32.

I'm giddy as a school girl.
post #185 of 9534
I just placed the order with Vann's and retiring my 805 as well. I have Integra 80.2 that move the 805 to another room and liked XT32 so much that when I saw the spec's on the 818 and the price I decide to move on it. Also the networking features of it, and looking forward when it arrives as well. I guess the 805 is up for sale and what a work horse it has been never a minutes problem, mostly used as a preamp.
post #186 of 9534
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Originally Posted by Jrunr View Post

And here i was contemplating picking up a used 805... now i am not so sure i can do that with a good conscious anymore.. :/

Mines on ebay . But I hear a on that.
post #187 of 9534
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Originally Posted by skylarlove1999 View Post

Honestly you must have never run the same exact set-up with similar receivers, one with XT and one with XT32. I have the 809 and the 818. The overall improvement in sound produced by the 818 is extremely noticeable. The main audio spec diffference between the 809 and the 818 is the Audyssey upgrade. .

Yes, I've had a denon 4311 with xt32 in place of my 3007 for two weeks, and found it not any better sounding with XT32, the onkyo 3007 sound better overall even with XT. I returned the denon 4311, the denon didn't have the power and fulness of the onkyo.


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Originally Posted by skylarlove1999 View Post

The 818 blends the lows so much better with the center channel and the fronts. The 818 spreads the bass around the room so much better, never revealing where my Energy VSW 10 is located. The 809 made the location of my subwoofer obvious. That is the last word in Audyssey

Lowering the Xover will give you the same effect, setting of 50hz will also give the effect of wides, if your speakers can handle the lowend. Everybody goes with the THX setting of 80hz, but audyssey will set better speakers with lower Xovers, you should go with audyssey most of the time. Audyssey set my mains and rears to 40hz , the center was set to 60hz. I changed all to 50hz, and the center is much clearer sounding than if I used the THX 80hz... There nothing bad about audyssey xt32, it just not a big deal when you have xt.. I had my share of bugs setting up XT, But I found by not using 80hz and using 50hz cleared up all my problems..

The onkyo 818 should be a fine avr for anyone looking for higher mid range avr. I would even say its a better choice over the denon 4311...
post #188 of 9534
^^^

"audyssey" does not set xovers.... as a matter of fact, if it was up to audyssey, they would always be set to 80hz (or above)... with good reason... chris from audyssey has made this clear on more than one occasion...

as far as the rest of it... graphs please... otherwise, it's just more noise...
post #189 of 9534
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Yes, I've had a denon 4311 with xt32 in place of my 3007 for two weeks, and found it not any better sounding with XT32, the onkyo 3007 sound better overall even with XT. I returned the denon 4311, the denon didn't have the power and fulness of the onkyo.

I found the opposite going from XT to XT32. Perhaps you did not setup the 4311 properly (see below).

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Audyssey set my mains and rears to 40hz , the center was set to 60hz. I changed all to 50hz, and the center is much clearer sounding than if I used the THX 80hz... There nothing bad about audyssey xt32, it just not a big deal when you have xt.. I had my share of bugs setting up XT, But I found by not using 80hz and using 50hz cleared up all my problems..

First off if you were knowledgable with Audyssey you would know that Audyssey does not set the crossovers. The AVR or prepro sets them after calculating the information from Audyssey. Second and once again if you were knowlegable with Audyssey you would know that it is not recommended to lower a crossover setting lower than what your AVR or prepro sets it to. So by lowering your center from 60Hz to 50Hz you are going against what Audyssey recommends not to do.

I would suggest that you read the Audyssey setup guide linked in the Audyssey setup guide. If you had done that when you had the 4311 in your system you might have a different regard for XT32. When done correctly XT32 is a very nice improvement in overall SQ than with XT. I have been listening to Hi-Rez MCH and 2CH music all morning and my system has never sounded as good as it does now with the 4311 and XT32

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The onkyo 818 should be a fine avr for anyone looking for higher mid range avr. I would even say its a better choice over the denon 4311...

Here you go dispensing advice when you haven't even heard the 818.

Bill
post #190 of 9534
Thanks. Just bought one for $899

http://bountii.com/search.php?item=Onkyo+TX-NR818
post #191 of 9534
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^

"audyssey" does not set xovers.... as a matter of fact, if it was up to audyssey, they would always be set to 80hz (or above)... with good reason... chris from audyssey has made this clear on one occasion...

as far as the rest of it... graphs please... otherwise, it's just more noise...

If you have questions about audyssey, there is a thread full of it. Just use "search avs"

Auto setup is audyssey driven, so saying audyssey shows the -3db point of each speaker by Xovers.. I don't need graphes and the onkyo 818 does not show like the denon 4311, I have two good ears and years of experience, besides what good is a flat line if it sounds bad. No HT setup is perfect, so I'll have it my way..
post #192 of 9534
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Originally Posted by joehonest View Post

If you have questions about audyssey, there is a thread full of it. Just use "search avs"

No offense but I believe you should be the one searching for information on Audyssey. Audyssey is an amazing tool but when not setup correctly one will not get the best results.

Bill
post #193 of 9534
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post


Here you go dispensing advice when you haven't even heard the 818.

Bill

If the 818 amps are still old school onkyo (heavy weight, high current). Then the new onkyo 818 is a better value than the denon. Wouldn't you think so. I just hope there are no leftover QC bugs, but only time will tell....
post #194 of 9534
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Originally Posted by joehonest View Post

If the 818 amps are still old school onkyo (heavy weight, high current). Then the new onkyo 818 is a better value than the denon. Wouldn't you think so. I just hope there are no leftover QC bugs, but only time will tell....

You did not quote my entire post. My reason for saying that you should not be dispensing advice is that you are suggesting the 818 might be a better choice than the 4311. This might be true but seeing your limited experience with the 4311 (setup correctly?) and none with the 818 it makes your advice misinformed IMO.

There is no doubt that the 818 which can be found at $300 below its MSRP is an incredible deal especially with the inclusion of XT32. If not for the great deal I found on the 4311 I would give the 818 serious consideration.

Bill
post #195 of 9534
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Originally Posted by joehonest View Post

Everybody goes with the THX setting of 80hz, but audyssey will set better speakers with lower Xovers, you should go with audyssey most of the time. Audyssey set my mains and rears to 40hz , the center was set to 60hz. I changed all to 50hz, and the center is much clearer sounding than if I used the THX 80hz... There nothing bad about audyssey xt32, it just not a big deal when you have xt.. I had my share of bugs setting up XT, But I found by not using 80hz and using 50hz cleared up all my problems..

It's good to see they person who started the Audyssey Sounds Horrible thread becoming such a huge fan. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1409556
So what changed your mind?
post #196 of 9534
And yet, after reading all of this, I am still having a hard time choosing the 818 over the 3009! (I must be obsessed with the model number or something...lol)

Do you think the larger power supply in the 3009 will make an audible difference? What about for video performance?
post #197 of 9534
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Originally Posted by mjpearce023 View Post

It's good to see they person who started the Audyssey Sounds Horrible thread becoming such a huge fan. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1409556
So what changed your mind?

mj,

Thanks for posting that link. I would say his distaste for Audyssey might be due to improper setup. Maybe the more people read his "insightful" posts they will disregard his advice and listen to members that have more experience and knowledge.

Bill
post #198 of 9534
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Originally Posted by mjpearce023 View Post

It's good to see they person who started the Audyssey Sounds Horrible thread becoming such a huge fan. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1409556
So what changed your mind?

I read the audyssey thread, the 80hz xover is what made my system muddy. Nobody could really solve this, room treatmeants, was always the cure. I would just blindly set the Xovers to 80hz like everybody said to, well everybody is wrong !!

The one 818 feature I would like to have is sub phase 0 , 180 in the 818 menu. To be able to change this on the fly could be very useful.
post #199 of 9534
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Originally Posted by joehonest View Post

I read the audyssey thread, the 80hz xover is what made my system muddy. Nobody could really solve this, room treatmeants, was always the cure. I would just blindly set the Xovers to 80hz like everybody said to, well everybody is wrong !!

How does raising a speakers crossover from say 50Hz to 80Hz make ones system sound muddy? Everybody is wrong, now thats rich.

Bill
post #200 of 9534
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

How does raising a speakers crossover from say 50Hz to 80Hz make ones system sound muddy? Everybody is wrong, now thats rich.

Bill

I believe it mostly had to due with the center to sub blending.. My center can handle the power and lower xover, it just starts to rolls off @ 60hz. Anyway I'm happy now, I don't ask for audyssey help anymore, it proved to be useless. Audyssey auto setup was right from the start, the audyssey thread gave bad advise from the start, like always use 80hz or higher..

So maybe If I didn't follow the advise from the AVS audyssey forum, I would of kept the denon 4311 cause of XT 32..

But its good that I didn't cause the onkyo 818 looks like a better deal..
post #201 of 9534
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

How does raising a speakers crossover from say 50Hz to 80Hz make ones system sound muddy? Everybody is wrong, now thats rich.

Bill

Improper sub placement or maybe subs not being up to the task. I guess people were supposed to somehow diagnose that over the internet. It's really funny he spent all that time and effort bashing audyssey due to a setup error. I guess people on this forum are supposed to know his system better than he does.
post #202 of 9534
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Originally Posted by mjpearce023 View Post

Improper sub placement or maybe subs not being up to the task. I guess people were supposed to somehow diagnose that over the internet. It's really funny he spent all that time and effort bashing audyssey due to a setup error. I guess people on this forum are supposed to know his system better than he does.

If I just kept the original audyssey xover settings, and not of read and follow the advise from the avs audyssey forum, life would be been so much easier.. So you are 100% right, it was user error!

I beginning to think some of the posters on the audyssey thread want newbies to fail, so they can sell you pro audyssey upgrades and installers can make some bucks...

Audyssey XT32 is going to take a big bite out of the installer and pro setups..

And the new onkyo 818 just brings Audyssey XT32 closer to the masses..
post #203 of 9534
Thread Starter 
Guys, I must respectfully ask that we try to limit the discussion at this time to Q&A about this particular model in question as this thread is already in danger of being derailed.

I know we're all having fun here, but;

Know how frustrating it is, when months later newbies ask simple questions in a thread? The reason is usually because they don't have the patience to wade through 100's of BS posts for a single nugget of information. This thread is about 7 pages long and there are perhaps 10 useful posts with actual information about the Onkyo 818.

Thanks.
post #204 of 9534
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

guys, i must respectfully ask that we try to limit the discussion at this time to q&a about this particular model in question as this thread is already in danger of being derailed.

I know we're all having fun here, but;

know how frustrating it is, when months later newbies ask simple questions in a thread? The reason is usually because they don't have the patience to wade through 100's of bs posts for a single nugget of information. This thread is about 7 pages long and there are perhaps 10 useful posts with actual information about the onkyo 818.

Thanks.

+1
post #205 of 9534
Does this receiver implement the "Auto HQV" feature mentioned in the HQV Vida flyer?

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Auto HQV enables hands-free adjustment to optimize image quality of content from different
sources or content that varies in quality. Auto HQV analyzes the video content and adaptively adjusts
image and noise processing parameters to optimize image quality and reduce artifacts.

http://www.scantec.de/uploads/media/...R-VIDA-099.pdf
post #206 of 9534
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Originally Posted by joehonest View Post

If the 818 amps are still old school onkyo (heavy weight, high current). Then the new onkyo 818 is a better value than the denon. Wouldn't you think so. I just hope there are no leftover QC bugs, but only time will tell....

I don't believe they are. First I noticed with my 809 specs kept saying half power under the watts and thd rating 8 ohm. Which had me puzzled because I'd never seen that in a spec sheet before. I wondered how they cooled off the units from prior ones so dramatically..but now with this unit I couldn't even find a spec sheet that said 8 ohm power at all. It was always 6 ohm rating everywhere I looked. Only one reason to ever do that so now I find this...

Output power: 135W (8 ohms 20Hz - 20kHz @0.8% THD, 2 channels driven)

.8% THD...seriously...someone please tell me that's a error. Now if true we know exactly why they don't generate the heat they used to..anyone have any thoughts on this.
post #207 of 9534
^^^^
Its
(North American)
135 watts minimum continuous power per
channel, 8 ohm loads, 2 channels driven
from 20 Hz to 20 kHz, with a maximum
total harmonic distortion of 0.08% (FTC)

With a lab test we will know for sure.

Onkyos specs are mostly unrated, and do much better in lab tests.
Most avrs don't meet there rated amp spec with ALL channels driven.
post #208 of 9534
This is something I read about in the past which is why I'm hesitant to upgrade my 805 to the 818. It is my understanding the 805 is 130 watts with all channels driven and the later generations were with 2 driven. Am I mistaken here? I love all the features that come with the 818, but am I going to lose power/sound quality on my 7.1 system?
post #209 of 9534
^^^
Early onkyo avrs don't have the tight 4 ohm current limiters of the newer units. So the 805 will handle more demanding scenarios with less compression and distortion. I would say the 805 would have the edge over newer avers, till proven other wise...
I would thiink the 818 will be pro reviewed with a full lab test shortly..
The 818 is going to be the next best bang for the buck, step a side 4311.
post #210 of 9534
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Originally Posted by joehonest View Post


If the 818 amps are still old school onkyo (heavy weight, high current). Then the new onkyo 818 is a better value than the denon. Wouldn't you think so. I just hope there are no leftover QC bugs, but only time will tell....

I've beat up mine over the weekend, but I don't typically use it the same way others do. My receivers spend their life on my desk in a stack (the leaning tower of Onkyo) and I hammer them via the network protocol. I find quite a few bugs this way.

I've found a few bugs so far, none of which are serious to normal operation but can have an effect on network control:

1. Clipped messages that cut off the last character of the source type (only Onkyo and I use this at the moment)
2. Zone 2 menus work fine, Zone 3 & up do not respond to the network commands, but the wrong set of commands. The USB/iPod seem to work the right way though.
3. Some lists return a decimal value for the total number of items when it is supposed to be a hex value. Net Menu Top is one of them, showing 18 items when there are actually 12. (12 hex = 18 decimal).
4. Not initializing variables so some commands return garbage.

However, this has been the most trouble-free unit out of the box for me so far: the HT-RC180 had audio out problems, the 708 was just a disaster out of the box with buggy firmware causing network issues, the 609 had network problems galore plus the audio dropout bug that is still there a year later. The 616 with its standby reset and HDMI issues. The 818 worked great from the moment I turned it on.
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