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post #2731 of 7006
10/21/12 at 11:13am
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So you tried the Denon 3313 but didn't like it?
yup ,i did like it at first ,lots of exellent points ,hdmi handshake is fast like a second .picture upscaling not so good .
menus and network rules big time .made in china {kinda scary} but 3 years plus an additional amex year total of 4 years that was awsome
compared to 3 years with amex with the onkyo.i heard lots of distortion at 80 % volume or refrence that really turned me off ,while
listening to flac and cd's i even bought a qsc power amp with it to see if it 'll improve ,did a bit but the power amp fans were loud .
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10/21/12 at 1:03pm
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Originally Posted by malmstump View Post

yup ,i did like it at first ,lots of exellent points ,hdmi handshake is fast like a second .picture upscaling not so good .
menus and network rules big time .made in china {kinda scary} but 3 years plus an additional amex year total of 4 years that was awsome
compared to 3 years with amex with the onkyo.i heard lots of distortion at 80 % volume or refrence that really turned me off ,while
listening to flac and cd's i even bought a qsc power amp with it to see if it 'll improve ,did a bit but the power amp fans were loud .
hey did the denon have any audio drop outs or problems with hdmi at all.. and i agree onkyo has a powerful clean deep sound just like the movies at home.... great sound
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post #2733 of 7006
10/21/12 at 1:22pm
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Originally Posted by Marco Giudice View Post

hey did the denon have any audio drop outs or problems with hdmi at all.. and i agree onkyo has a powerful clean deep sound just like the movies at home.... great sound
hi marco,yes it did while watching tv and listening to music channels on motorola stb ,sound would fade
a split second then comes back but i think that is from the cable company ,had that on my old yamaha with optical and rca ,and my onkyo 807 as well .dosen't happen enough to bother
me tho .i am noticing my unit runs dead cold on top ,i knew this xx8 series runs cooler,but wow
cheers man
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post #2734 of 7006
10/21/12 at 4:10pm
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Originally Posted by malmstump View Post

hi marco,yes it did while watching tv and listening to music channels on motorola stb ,sound would fade
a split second then comes back but i think that is from the cable company ,had that on my old yamaha with optical and rca ,and my onkyo 807 as well .dosen't happen enough to bother
me tho .i am noticing my unit runs dead cold on top ,i knew this xx8 series runs cooler,but wow
cheers man
it does run cooler but I still use a fan cuz even at 72 decibels for an hour it gets really hot. so still use one.. 82 reference level more then 30-60 scares me even with a big fan on it, worries me cuz it gets really hot and heat to any electronic brings the lifetime down.. especially anything with chips and processors on a board
Edited by Marco Giudice - 10/21/12 at 5:23pm
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post #2735 of 7006
10/21/12 at 7:58pm
I think I found a fix for this 24p bug. I've went crazy trying different combos between the avr and my hd tv all on the main hdmi port.. I have a 42" vizio and by turning off all my video processing off on my tv only and putting the avr on custom and letting it only do the video processing. I pretty much eliminated the missing fps the bug was causing.. so I was hoping if anyone can try it out and see if it works.. I showed a friend the bug with tv processing on and then off and agreed that it wasn't there and if it was still there it wasn't anywhere as noticeable as before.. the only setting I kept on from my tv was gaming mode. that's what stops it from looking like a home shot video recording which I effing hate. but motion blur and film content detection from auto to off so that the avr can do the film content for 24 fps detection.... they might if been conflicting.. so let's try it and let me know!
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post #2736 of 7006
10/21/12 at 9:06pm
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Originally Posted by Marco Giudice View Post

I think I found a fix for this 24p bug. I've went crazy trying different combos between the avr and my hd tv all on the main hdmi port.. I have a 42" vizio and by turning off all my video processing off on my tv only and putting the avr on custom and letting it only do the video processing. I pretty much eliminated the missing fps the bug was causing.. so I was hoping if anyone can try it out and see if it works.. I showed a friend the bug with tv processing on and then off and agreed that it wasn't there and if it was still there it wasn't anywhere as noticeable as before.. the only setting I kept on from my tv was gaming mode. that's what stops it from looking like a home shot video recording which I effing hate. but motion blur and film content detection from auto to off so that the avr can do the film content for 24 fps detection.... they might if been conflicting.. so let's try it and let me know!

Can you go I to a bit more detail exactly which settings you chose on the 818 ?

Also, with your settings you have now, what does your TV report as far as signal when watching 23.9xx Content ? Does it say 24p or 60p ? I know that some of these 23 -24fps issues are masked when you up convert to 60p (not frame interpolation, just repeats).
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post #2737 of 7006
10/21/12 at 9:54pm
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Originally Posted by Marco Giudice View Post

I have a 42" vizio and by turning off all my video processing off on my tv only and putting the avr on custom and letting it only do the video processing. I pretty much eliminated the missing fps the bug was causing.. so I was hoping if anyone can try it out and see if it works.

By the time the signal leaves the MAIN HDMI socket on its journey to your TV, the problem already exists. Nothing you do at the TV can correct that.
You may be attributing something your TV is doing to the signal that is masking the issue.

On another note, I popped in a 3D blu-ray to watch last night and received a message that either my TV or player were not 3D capable. I tried power cycling everything etc, then I hooked up an HDMI cable to MAIN again and enabled 'Both' in the menu. Once the film was happily playing in 3D, I disabled MAIN again and went back to watching the film on the SUB output.

This AVR upgrade was supposed to make my life easier. I am giving serious consideration to bypassing all video switching and just getting some dumb switches to pass on the video unmolested.
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post #2738 of 7006
10/21/12 at 11:53pm
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Originally Posted by Marco Giudice View Post

it does run cooler but I still use a fan

The 818 has 2 built-in fans. So make sure your external fan works in the same direction as the built-in fans otherwise you're pushing the heat back into the device. As a result it will run even hotter instead of running cooler.
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post #2739 of 7006
10/22/12 at 1:29am
About the famous gapless playback, I posted a message on the Onkyo Europe FB page, asking about the correction of this issue, and this is the answer I got: 'to be realistic, I have not heard of this being added any time soon'. It's a real pity since I'd like to get this receiver, but they don't seem to care so much about their (possible) customers...
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post #2740 of 7006
10/22/12 at 5:53am
Well I spent the weekend with it set up 7.1 with height channels... still waiting on 2 more speakers to upgrade my mains and add the "wide" channels... but I love this receiver.

Everything sounds better...smooth and clean. Those height channels weren't as pronounced as I expected them to be... but I find it seriously improved the soundstage. That could very well have been the Multi-EQ -> XT32 upgrade as well though but I don't think so, when I disable them I miss them immediately. I can't go back. My DIY sub has never sounded better. If I have a problem with the video I can't tell at all, watched a few blurays and some tv but mostly played games which wouldn't be affected. I like the video processing options but I have so many from my HTPC that they are largely unneccessary, I would like to use them for my consoles, however I would rather use GAME mode as I would expect it to focus on input lag which I would rather be low.

Sorry if this is old info... You guys have been messing with the gapless stuff for a bit and I don't feel like re-reading but in my environment I get the "drops"or "cutouts" when my content changes. The Onkyo has options to apply processing depending on what the content is created in... so as my content went from 5.1 LPCM to DD to DTS-MA to stereo etc the onkyo tries to automatically switch between processing modes to whatever I specified in the setup. I actually really like this feature but it does lead to about 2-3 seconds gap and a large "click" sound. Setting all the multi-channel processing to audyssey DSX didn't help as it still seemed to try to "switch" or reload the proccessing preset even if it was the same. I never set everything to off, I'm not actually even sure if that option exists as I think "last valid" is the default option. Anyway.... while I don't have to deal with commercials or changing content from an STB or the networking/fileshare playboack I'm pretty sure it would try to switch those processing modes as the content changes. Maybe every song as it would likely evaluate each file on an individual basis. Maybe you can turn it off or push onkyo to add a "persistant" setting in a firmware update. Or maybe I'm way off base!

The only actual complaint I currently have in my environment is the large soft light around the volume, I haven't read the instructions or specifically looked but I would like to turn that off. It's actually pretty bright in a light controlled room.
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post #2741 of 7006
10/22/12 at 6:36am
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Originally Posted by markus767 View Post

The 818 has 2 built-in fans. So make sure your external fan works in the same direction as the built-in fans otherwise you're pushing the heat back into the device. As a result it will run even hotter instead of running cooler.
i believe the fans push down to the bottom of the receiver, correct? cuz i have my fan positioned to blow on top of my receiver .

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Originally Posted by Fishtank View Post

Well I spent the weekend with it set up 7.1 with height channels... still waiting on 2 more speakers to upgrade my mains and add the "wide" channels... but I love this receiver.
Everything sounds better...smooth and clean. Those height channels weren't as pronounced as I expected them to be... but I find it seriously improved the soundstage. That could very well have been the Multi-EQ -> XT32 upgrade as well though but I don't think so, when I disable them I miss them immediately. I can't go back. My DIY sub has never sounded better. If I have a problem with the video I can't tell at all, watched a few blurays and some tv but mostly played games which wouldn't be affected. I like the video processing options but I have so many from my HTPC that they are largely unneccessary, I would like to use them for my consoles, however I would rather use GAME mode as I would expect it to focus on input lag which I would rather be low.
Sorry if this is old info... You guys have been messing with the gapless stuff for a bit and I don't feel like re-reading but in my environment I get the "drops"or "cutouts" when my content changes. The Onkyo has options to apply processing depending on what the content is created in... so as my content went from 5.1 LPCM to DD to DTS-MA to stereo etc the onkyo tries to automatically switch between processing modes to whatever I specified in the setup. I actually really like this feature but it does lead to about 2-3 seconds gap and a large "click" sound. Setting all the multi-channel processing to audyssey DSX didn't help as it still seemed to try to "switch" or reload the proccessing preset even if it was the same. I never set everything to off, I'm not actually even sure if that option exists as I think "last valid" is the default option. Anyway.... while I don't have to deal with commercials or changing content from an STB or the networking/fileshare playboack I'm pretty sure it would try to switch those processing modes as the content changes. Maybe every song as it would likely evaluate each file on an individual basis. Maybe you can turn it off or push onkyo to add a "persistant" setting in a firmware update. Or maybe I'm way off base!
The only actual complaint I currently have in my environment is the large soft light around the volume, I haven't read the instructions or specifically looked but I would like to turn that off. It's actually pretty bright in a light controlled room.
as for the volume light on the volume knob grab your remote and hit the dimmer button it should be on the bottom of the remote...
as for the gapless music i believe thats normal and is a known issue and are waiting for onkyo to fix it... i dont have anything gapless at the moment so im not 100% sure im going on from what i read.. now for when your watching tv i know it will switch to the incoming source and the way i stop it was to have the same amount of speakers for any incoming source.... example i have comcast for cable and theres only to avail sources 2ch DD and DD 5.1.. so to stop the clicking sound which is when the avr adds or minus speaker channels from the setup. i have it to where all incoming 2 ch is set to all channel stereo and DD set to Neo:x so it all comes in at the same amount of speakers and to the same speakers.. cuz if i have my all channel set to my FW and my Neo:x to SB. im going to hear a click and see it switch to that soeaker setup... so with music if its a different imcoming source there is no way around it.. i hope this helped and was clear to understand
Edited by Marco Giudice - 10/22/12 at 12:10pm
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post #2742 of 7006
10/22/12 at 6:40am
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Originally Posted by sartorius View Post

About the famous gapless playback, I posted a message on the Onkyo Europe FB page, asking about the correction of this issue, and this is the answer I got: 'to be realistic, I have not heard of this being added any time soon'. It's a real pity since I'd like to get this receiver, but they don't seem to care so much about their (possible) customers...

How true, unfortunately for us, who bought it already. But for you there are a lot of other good manufacturers who care more about their customers, or at least about quality of their products, I guess nobody in Onkyo use their products themselves...

And this gapless thing is really looks stupid to me, it should cost 3-5 sales of 818 for them, not more, to fix it, but they are loosing much more sales now (and it is not only 818) as people more aware of the problem and choosing other vendors. Or they truly have such a crappy unmaintainable firmware if they couldn't fix it... Anyway both cases are bad sign for they customers.
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post #2743 of 7006
10/22/12 at 7:11am
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Originally Posted by jonathanc View Post

Can you go I to a bit more detail exactly which settings you chose on the 818 ?
Also, with your settings you have now, what does your TV report as far as signal when watching 23.9xx Content ? Does it say 24p or 60p ? I know that some of these 23 -24fps issues are masked when you up convert to 60p (not frame interpolation, just repeats).
no i dont have any way of it telling if its a 23.9 or 24 fps signal and i think your right its only masking the problem.. but its still wayyyyyyyy better then before
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Originally Posted by fahrenheit View Post

By the time the signal leaves the MAIN HDMI socket on its journey to your TV, the problem already exists. Nothing you do at the TV can correct that.
You may be attributing something your TV is doing to the signal that is masking the issue.
On another note, I popped in a 3D blu-ray to watch last night and received a message that either my TV or player were not 3D capable. I tried power cycling everything etc, then I hooked up an HDMI cable to MAIN again and enabled 'Both' in the menu. Once the film was happily playing in 3D, I disabled MAIN again and went back to watching the film on the SUB output.
This AVR upgrade was supposed to make my life easier. I am giving serious consideration to bypassing all video switching and just getting some dumb switches to pass on the video unmolested.
"I am giving serious consideration to bypassing all video switching and just getting some dumb switches to pass on the video unmolested"

can you please explain how you would go about doing that... i would be interested in giving it a shot if it would work.... thanks
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post #2744 of 7006
10/22/12 at 12:30pm
Hey thanks for the dimmer suggestion I found it in the manual this morning so I'm sure you're right about it.

I think he just means a hdmi splitter. You can get anything from a simple passive 1->2 HDMI splitter for $20 to a 2x8 matrixing HDMI switch (with an IR remote) that would literally do what the onkyo does without any of the processing attached. That would be a bit pricey but you likely could automate a high end switch to change with your receiver.

As for the gapless stuff I wasn't mentioning it because it bothers me, as I don't use it, I was just trying to describe what I think the issue would be... which is the onkyo trying to determine what signal format it's seeing every time it starts a new song. If it's simply reading a file share it would have to determine each individual files properties and apply the "listening mode preset" before it starts playing each file... Which is why I mentioned maybe there is an opportunity to disable that "auto-detect" feature in a firmware update. Having said that, has anybody with the problem tried to set up the Windows Media Center streaming options? On page 32 of the manual it describes how to setup remote playback using Windows Media Player 12... which means the player should be streaming that content and it should take care of the "gaps". To be specific the receiver would no longer be going through the file share and individually accessing files, it wouldn't care anymore, it would just play what WMC is offering... which should be nice flowing music and playlists.

I could easily be wrong, just a suggestion if your able to run Media Player 12 and it got over looked.
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post #2745 of 7006
10/22/12 at 1:43pm
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Originally Posted by Fishtank View Post

Having said that, has anybody with the problem tried to set up the Windows Media Center streaming options? On page 32 of the manual it describes how to setup remote playback using Windows Media Player 12... which means the player should be streaming that content and it should take care of the "gaps". To be specific the receiver would no longer be going through the file share and individually accessing files, it wouldn't care anymore, it would just play what WMC is offering... which should be nice flowing music and playlists.
I could easily be wrong, just a suggestion if your able to run Media Player 12 and it got over looked.

WMP12 is just a DLNA Server + DLNA Controller, it tells receiver what files to play from server and receiver is pulling the file then, the same as with internal controller. So, this cannot solve the gapless problem. Moreover, 1) it needs a computer and I bought a receiver with networking exactly to avoid a need in a computer and 2) last time I've tried WMP - it didn't work at all with getting some error from receiver, but was able to control volume on the receiver somehow... And the problem is not with WMP as it is able to send the same track to DLNA TV without a problem!
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post #2746 of 7006
10/22/12 at 2:04pm
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Originally Posted by Fishtank View Post

I think he just means a hdmi splitter.
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post #2747 of 7006
10/22/12 at 2:10pm
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Originally Posted by Marco Giudice View Post

I think I found a fix for this 24p bug. I've went crazy trying different combos between the avr and my hd tv all on the main hdmi port.. I have a 42" vizio and by turning off all my video processing off on my tv only and putting the avr on custom and letting it only do the video processing. I pretty much eliminated the missing fps the bug was causing.. so I was hoping if anyone can try it out and see if it works.. I showed a friend the bug with tv processing on and then off and agreed that it wasn't there and if it was still there it wasn't anywhere as noticeable as before.. the only setting I kept on from my tv was gaming mode. that's what stops it from looking like a home shot video recording which I effing hate. but motion blur and film content detection from auto to off so that the avr can do the film content for 24 fps detection.... they might if been conflicting.. so let's try it and let me know!

Interesting
Maybe this or something like this explains no matter how close I watch I just can't see the dropped frame.
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post #2748 of 7006
10/22/12 at 2:45pm
I finally fixed the aspect ratio issue I was having. All I had to do was reboot my cable box. I still don't know why it happened in the first place.

Secondly, I finally calibrated my unit using Audyssey and boy did it do a good job. What really impressed the heck out of me was the sound coming out of my surround back speakers. This receiver is definitely a keeper for me.
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post #2749 of 7006
10/22/12 at 3:50pm
My 818 should arrive tomorrow. I would like to try out the video processing but I want to make sure I am doing it right. Which, if any of the settings on my sources and display matter?
Sources: Directv HR24-500, PS3, Boxee Box
Display: Sony KDL52-S5100 [thread] [webpage]
For example:
These are the video settings on my Directv box:
Native resolution of each program: Off
TV Ratio: 16:9
TV Resolutions: 480i - 1080p all enabled

These are the video settings on my TV:
Picture Mode: "Custom" settings for picture, brightness, color, hue etc
Color Temp: Warm
Noise Reduction: Off
Adv Contrast Enhancer: Off
Gamma: Off
Clear White: off
Live Color: off
Cinemotion: Auto
Game Mode: Off
Wide Mode: Off
Eco - Backlight: On
Eco - Light Sensor: Off

Are these settings appropriate for use with the video processing of the Vida VHD1900? I imagine that this chip is better than my ~2009 TV processing...

Also, has anyone used the front usb (1A) or rear usb (.05A) to power PC fans? I'm sure this will work but I thought I would ask.


TIA!
John
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post #2750 of 7006
10/22/12 at 4:32pm
I am considering a Onkyo 818 to use as a pre amp processor. I have mono block amps to power my speakers. Right now I am considering the Marantz 5007 for $200 less than the 818. Besides the extra ins/outs and xt32 what would be the benefit to the 818 processing wise over the 5007?
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post #2751 of 7006
10/22/12 at 5:25pm
I am considering the 818 to replace my current Yamaha RX-A1000. The main reason for replacing it is the Audyssey XT32 room eq. available in the Onkyo. I have dual subwoofers. I am thinking I should be able to compensate for the lack of Sub Eq HT in the 818 by using REW with my CM-140 SPL meter. Is this assumption correct?

I have also been keeping an eye on the Denon 4311ci, which is available at a discounted price these days, but still carries a substantial premium over the 818 (at least $6-700). Mainly from a SQ and reliability perspective, what other features beside Sub Eq HT I'd be missing, by choosing the 818 over the 4311?
The AVR usage is about 60% music (2.2) and 40% tv / movies.
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post #2752 of 7006
10/22/12 at 5:25pm
Thread Starter 
XT32 by itself is probably worth $200.
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post #2753 of 7006
10/23/12 at 7:30am
Man this receiver is just plan AWESOME! Love it running through my mediacenter player with xbmc! smile.gif
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post #2754 of 7006
10/23/12 at 11:44am
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Man this receiver is just plan AWESOME! Love it running through my mediacenter player with xbmc! smile.gif
we're all happy for you here, @ AVSFORUMS... That your ecstatic about your new AVR... it really is a great product!, smile.gif
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post #2755 of 7006
10/23/12 at 12:03pm
i got a question, i had my original sub woofer that came with the Onkyo HT-S54000 series HTIB laying around and instead of collecting dust i figured id hook it up. but my problems is that sub doesn't come with a crossover knob to adjust it.
So now the problem is when people speaker with deep voices it sounds to bassy and beefy.. i know with my main sub my polk sub i can adjust the crossover to whatever XT32 set my crossover to in settings and it cuts out the voices being to beefy...
What can i do about it on the Onkyo sub i just want it to fill the missing bass in the room but im using to Polk to handle most of the LFE that are being heard... but the Onkyo pisses me off when voices have to much bass... ive lower the bass signal in setup and it really didn't help much and i don't want to lower it anymore cuz it then talks away from the power of the Polk and what Audessy thought was correct for sound in my dwelling...
Any takes or ideas.. thanks love this community and forum
Edited by Marco Giudice - 10/23/12 at 1:05pm
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post #2756 of 7006
10/23/12 at 12:58pm
Marco

You need to adjust the crossover setting on your sub to the highest value available before running Audyssey. You shouldn't adjust it after Audyssey has been run. Audyssey sets the crossover for you.
It's also a good idea to adjust each sub's gain so they are equally loud at the main listening position before running Audyssey. Where did you place the subs?
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post #2757 of 7006
10/23/12 at 1:16pm
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Marco
You need to adjust the crossover setting on your sub to the highest value available before running Audyssey. You shouldn't adjust it after Audyssey has been run. Audyssey sets the crossover for you.
It's also a good idea to adjust each sub's gain so they are equally loud at the main listening position before running Audyssey. Where did you place the subs?
i have my polk sub #1 placed in the front right corner and the onkyo sub #2 placed in the front left corner of the room both on an angle...

so your saying all i need to do is, put the crossover of the polk since its the only one with a crossover gain knob all the to way up to 120 make sure both subs read 75 decibels individually and then run Audyessy again and let it do its magic and dont touch the crossover gain on the polk just leave it at 120 and audyessy will take care of the rest and no more bassy voices coming from the cheap onkyo?
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post #2758 of 7006
10/23/12 at 1:32pm
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Originally Posted by Marco Giudice View Post

i have my polk sub #1 placed in the front right corner and the onkyo sub #2 placed in the front left corner of the room both on an angle...
so your saying all i need to do is, put the crossover of the polk since its the only one with a crossover gain knob all the to way up to 120 make sure both subs read 75 decibels individually and then run Audyessy again and let it do its magic and dont touch the crossover gain on the polk just leave it at 120 and audyessy will take care of the rest

Yes.
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Originally Posted by Marco Giudice View Post

and no more bassy voices coming from the cheap onkyo?

I can't promise you that because putting subs in a tri-corner will make them excite all room modes. Depending on your listening position this can cause very boomy bass. Experiment with different sub locations like putting one sub at the front wall mid-point and the other one at the mid-point of the back wall or one sub in a corner and the second one at a wall mid-point, etc.
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post #2759 of 7006
10/23/12 at 1:58pm
ok thanks ill try it and report back
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post #2760 of 7006
10/23/12 at 5:05pm
I just setup my 818, I like the setup guide - that is definitely a good idea.
I was surprised that Audyssey had me set the sub to 75db, which ended up at about 2/10 on the volume knob on the back of my Outlaw LFM1... In my limited listening, the sub output does sound right though...

Does anyone have any input on my video processing question from yesterday? Link to post.
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