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post #3271 of 9466
I have a few questions regarding some settings people use after audyssey.

I have a 7.3 setup in which is mostly going to be used for movies.

1. For movies what do you recommend is the best? Like THX DTS? I have not ran a calibration yet because I do not have my seats yet so still waiting.

My first project a JVC RS46 will be here Tuesday so trying to note some stuff down so I am not bombarded with things to so once I get it.
post #3272 of 9466
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Originally Posted by fahrenheit View Post

If you are talking about gaming, then you should know that Main is laggy. But if its just 60fps video content, then sure.

I still have my DVDO edge, I guess if I wanted to I can have all my sources plugged into the edge then video out to my projector and audio out into the 818. I guess I have to compare the VP in the 818 to the edge. Has anyone compare the 2 before?
post #3273 of 9466
If I do that I would lose the OSD, I guess I could do all sources in the 818 then main or sub video out into the edge and have the edge output what I want.
post #3274 of 9466
There must be enough info here or enough effort to show onkyo how to replicate this 24p playback issue to help with a resolution, or is onkyo willing to down play this?
post #3275 of 9466
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Originally Posted by Slingblayde View Post

I too have access to a CNC machine, Ive been running them for the last 26 years lol. I just havent tried to make my own faceplates. Usually when I leave work, I dont like to go back and work on home projects.

Sling: Yea I know what you mean, after programming, and setting up a sinker and wire edm, and a couple cnc mills all day, it's the last thing on my mind to do more later for stuff for myself, I made a fixture with some clamps, to cut 4 face plates at a time, set up the mill right when leaving for the day, come in the next day and 4 face plates done, way better than what they want for custom face plates.... Trying to save some $$$

Sorry to hear about the extra costs to send everything your way in Canada, I've been hearing that more and more, I say is a real bummer, especially if someone is looking for something like a projector screen, which is freight, would be some extra $$$.
post #3276 of 9466
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Originally Posted by TheaterChad View Post

Sling: Yea I know what you mean, after programming, and setting up a sinker and wire edm, and a couple cnc mills all day, it's the last thing on my mind to do more later for stuff for myself, I made a fixture with some clamps, to cut 4 face plates at a time, set up the mill right when leaving for the day, come in the next day and 4 face plates done, way better than what they want for custom face plates.... Trying to save some $$$
Sorry to hear about the extra costs to send everything your way in Canada, I've been hearing that more and more, I say is a real bummer, especially if someone is looking for something like a projector screen, which is freight, would be some extra $$$.

Ive never ran a wire edm or sinker, Ive cut plenty of carbon, but never ran the trodes. On a cnc machine I would be worried if I were to make a fixture to clamp the uncut faceplate, that when the cutter finished its cut and the extra stock in the middle cut through all the way, that it would grab the endmill, move the piece on the fixture, or come sailing out and scratch the face of the faceplate.
The guy who runs the wire at our shop is a bit of a knucklehead, so I wouldnt bother asking him. A small horizontal machine like a Mori Seiki, or Makino with a pallet and a toolchanger would be nice, make 4 fixtures, set them up on the tombstone, press the button and like you, come in later and they are done. But we dont have any like that in our cnc bay, we have big machines like the Parpas bf160, not ideal machines for cutting small pieces. :/
Where can you buy the black brushed aluminum blanks for making faceplates?
post #3277 of 9466
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Originally Posted by mtheeb View Post

Ok... I pulled the trigger on Black Friday and got the 818 for 649.00 shipped. Got everything set up, ran Audyssey (8 positions) and sure enough it's too harsh/bright sounding. I've been through this thread, Audyssey 101 and FAQ and am going to re-run tonight. Only tip I've gotten is to "toe in" the front mains and center channel. Does anyone else have a tip or trick that helped or something I've missed. I have leather furniture and was wondering if I should cover them up with blankets. Any help would be appreciated.

I also have this problem and I did everything possible with my system, but wasn't able to make it sound right with Audyssey.
This is what Audyssey (Movie curve) does to my system (measured from speaker outputs):


As my MonitorAudio RX6 have no problems reproducing frequencies above 6kHz it is not normal that those are boosted. In Music/Flat curve it is even worse. More details here: Audyssey Thread. Currently I am back to suspecting bad Audyssey microphone.
post #3278 of 9466
(Electrical) speaker output and acoustic output at the listening position are two very different things.
Your graph shows the magnitude response of a MultEQ filter. Looks like your room has severe modal problems MultEQ tries to fix.

You'd need to measure at the listening position (with Dynamic EQ/Volume off).

P.S. Did you really connect the speaker outs to your soundcard? If you do this a couple of times your soundcard will probably be toast. The signal from the speaker outputs is way too high. Measure the preamp outs instead. It's the same signal, just line level.
Edited by markus767 - 12/9/12 at 3:03am
post #3279 of 9466
There could be no severe modal problems at high frequencies (with low frequencies there are, and they are pretty reasonably corrected). But the fact the high frequencies are sounding exactly right with no correction and terribly over-amplified with Audyssey on, so I hear the same to what I see on the gpaph.

I do not have calibrated mic yet to measure accoustical response.
post #3280 of 9466
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Originally Posted by IgorZep View Post

There could be no severe modal problems at high frequencies (with low frequencies there are, and they are pretty reasonably corrected). But the fact the high frequencies are sounding exactly right with no correction and terribly over-amplified with Audyssey on, so I hear the same to what I see on the gpaph.

I was talking about low frequencies when mentioning modal problems. The reason for MultEQ perceptually overamplifying high frequencies can probably be found in the directivity of your speakers and to some extend in the acoustical properties of your room.
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Originally Posted by IgorZep View Post

I do not have calibrated mic yet to measure accoustical response.

Get one. Without proper measurements you won't be able to tackle the issue.
post #3281 of 9466
"lil on the bright side", "lil harsh" and "warm" is caused by your speaker and the room-speaker interface but not by an amp or processing (unless it's not well designed).
post #3282 of 9466
^^^

+ a gazillion... modern consumer solid state equipment measures audibly flat across the audible spectrum...

unless it is either:

- broken...

or

- intentionally modifying it... this doesn't happen until you apply dsp...
post #3283 of 9466
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Originally Posted by FoxHoleJoe View Post

What you guys say about how this unit NR818 for music? Say in a 2.0 use? Then in say 2.1 or 2.2?What about the Pre-Amp side of this unit? for music use,with or without subs?I see lots of post about the video/audio side for HT what about for music side of this unit?I have found that Onkyos too be a lil on the bright side for music, the mids a lil harsh.Would using the EQ tame this on this unit?Ok before anyone say well it starts at the source I know that,but I am thinking with the Highend Burr-Brown chips in this unit that should change everything on the bright side too a say more too the "warm" side.

 

I haven't seen a respinse curve for the 818, but I'd bet the farm that it measures ruler flat right across the spectrum. If so, then whatever is making the system a lil bright or a lil harsh, it ain't the 818. My bet would be room or speakers. EQ would help tame the distortions introduced by room and speakers, yes. Treatments would be better, if possible.

 

There isn't a person on the planet who can hear the difference between one DAC and another in a double blind test, so I wouldn't fret about chips too much. DAC chips cost about a dollar these days you know.

 

Electronics don't influence the sound much nowadays - concentrate on the room, the speakers and the speaker placement.

post #3284 of 9466
Hello,I noticed last night when the receiver was powered down thta the standby light was not on,
I haven't tinkered with any settings in awhile.
Bulb?Thoughts?
post #3285 of 9466
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Originally Posted by sixtytooneratio View Post

Hello,I noticed last night when the receiver was powered down thta the standby light was not on,
I haven't tinkered with any settings in awhile.
Bulb?Thoughts?
What standby light?

edit: Oh, the Hybrid Standby. Make sure HDMI Through is enabled in "Setup -> Hardware -> HDMI"
Edited by theoneofgod - 12/9/12 at 7:54am
post #3286 of 9466
I just sold a Sony 5700es two weeks ago that I purchased after selling my Onkyo 3009 just was looking to up grade to a newer model Onkyo but my dealer offered me a great deal on the Sony. I had it a little over a month no issues sounded pretty good but no video processor and even though it had video streaming the apps were older and I missed my Onkyo so I sold it . As I use the receivers as a pre pro I have two multi channel amps (rotel class a/b) which I love. I went to look at the Onkyo 3010 but my dealer offered me the Black Friday pricing on the 818 and I purchased it. Now in my rack two weeks so I would not rush to judgement I have to say I do not miss my 3009 at- all.. Works fine I have no stuttering issues at all only when you try to force video material with 1080p/24. No real hand shaking and I use the main output to a darbee darblet , a monoprice powered splitter going to my panny plasma and Jvc pj great unit for the price great bang for the buck. First thing I did before set up was the updates over net hard wired . Do not use all the net music features just my I pod or pandora. All other sources had I except phono and hd-VCR. Use hdmi cable, Sony 790 bd, tosh hd-DVD, pip elite said over hdmi. Harmony one remote two 18" powered subs.
Edited by william06 - 12/9/12 at 12:53pm
post #3287 of 9466
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Originally Posted by sixtytooneratio View Post

Hello,I noticed last night when the receiver was powered down thta the standby light was not on,
I haven't tinkered with any settings in awhile.
Bulb?Thoughts?

 

My 5509 doesn’t have a standby light either so it seems to be normal.

post #3288 of 9466
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Originally Posted by theoneofgod View Post

What standby light?
edit: Oh, the Hybrid Standby. Make sure HDMI Through is enabled in "Setup -> Hardware -> HDMI"
Figured it out,zone 3 was enabled,if so hybrid standby light will not come on.
post #3289 of 9466
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Originally Posted by Slingblayde View Post

Where can you buy the black brushed aluminum blanks for making faceplates?

I will pm you some info
post #3290 of 9466
Hello,

I am hoping owners here can help. Does the scaler in this receiver do vertical stretch? I have a 2:35 screen/lens setup and would love if the scaler in the receiver had this function to replace my external scaler.

Thanks!

Darin
post #3291 of 9466
Installed my Onkyo TX-NR818 a week ago, and was very happy with it until this morning. Was enjoying playing FLAC files using the Home networking app, was streaming internet radio via Pandora and Spotify, was happy with 12 local FM channels coming in clearly, and it looked and sounded great.

However, when I powered it up this morning, and attempted to select the FM tuner, it kept switching back to Network by itself. And, it did not pass any sound to the speakers. It actually would hang saying 'Wait' when I attempted the Audyssey setup, and it made no sound.

I used the CBL/Sat+Power/Standby reset to reset it to factory configuration. And it then passed the Audyssey setup and the speakers worked.

However, it no longer sees the built in ethernet network interface. It is greyed out in the setup configuration. I updated it twice when I installed it last week. It was working great when I shut it off last night.

Any clues or ideas on what else to try?

Thank you,
Chris Shaker
post #3292 of 9466
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Originally Posted by cjshaker View Post

Installed my Onkyo TX-NR818 a week ago, and was very happy with it until this morning. Was enjoying playing FLAC files using the Home networking app, was streaming internet radio via Pandora and Spotify, was happy with 12 local FM channels coming in clearly, and it looked and sounded great.
However, when I powered it up this morning, and attempted to select the FM tuner, it kept switching back to Network by itself. And, it did not pass any sound to the speakers. It actually would hang saying 'Wait' when I attempted the Audyssey setup, and it made no sound.
I used the CBL/Sat+Power/Standby reset to reset it to factory configuration. And it then passed the Audyssey setup and the speakers worked.
However, it no longer sees the built in ethernet network interface. It is greyed out in the setup configuration. I updated it twice when I installed it last week. It was working great when I shut it off last night.
Any clues or ideas on what else to try?
Thank you,
Chris Shaker
Did you unplug it for a few minutes? If not try it .
post #3293 of 9466
Does the standby light need to be on for the unit to function properly?

Just completed by setup and do not notice the standby light when the unit is powered off.
post #3294 of 9466
Trying to figure the whole 1080p 24fps issue out, so ONLY when u force 24fps on 60fps material that u will notice stutter? so on blueray since its native 24fps and the 8181 is just passing as is you will NOT see stutter?
post #3295 of 9466
mine is off too,i think that`s normal.
post #3296 of 9466
Only time I see this is forcing video to 180/24
post #3297 of 9466
Thanks for the much needed feedback guys, had another question...I understand while running the ody set up it calibrates all speakers at 75dbs, if I ran my audio in direct mode from time to time which bypasses ody will my speaker still be calibrated to 75dbs or will I lose that also? Thanks again.
post #3298 of 9466
i believe the issue is 24p from a bluray player...

if you are trying to convert 60 to 24 for a "video" source, you will always have issues, regardless of avr, player or display... if you are tyring to convert 60 to 24 with a "film" source, an "properly functioning" collection of units should have no issues...
post #3299 of 9466
I have blueray source 1 set to output direct and hdmi output set to 1080p, I see no skip frames so far.
post #3300 of 9466
Does the 818 have internet radio? I know it has Spotify etc: I'm asking about just internet radio?
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