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post #331 of 9463
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Originally Posted by joehonest View Post

I really don't know how the 818 would sound any better or worse than the 809, audyssey may have a small part in that, the XT32 is just a sub upgrade over the XT, which would not cause a openness as you claim..

Every Receiver I have had with XT32 is a level higher than those without. The 818 is no different. smile.gif
post #332 of 9463
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Originally Posted by UNICRON-WMD View Post


Really?
Damn! Now I feel like JoeHonest. lol


post of the day :)

post #333 of 9463
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Originally Posted by BiotypE View Post

Color me very impressed so far.
Just unpacked and hooked up my 818. I am directly comparing it to an Anthem MRX 300. With just running the quick eq calibration I can already tell the sound is fuller and music is much more open than was on the 809 I demoed in house.
The video processing does an AMAZING job cleaning up compressed HD signals so I am very impressed on that front as well.
Watched a few minutes of Game of Thrones to get a feel for its surround processing and without running the full calibration it sounded very nice, open and separated. Definitely better with no calibration at all than the 809 was after running the full room calibration.
These are just my initial findings but so far I am very impressed with what I have heard and seen and can pretty much guarantee this AVR sounds a lot better than the 809 if anyone was wondering if they should upgrade.
I will post more impression after I have some time to tweak and configure this evening.

I really don't know how the 818 would sound any better or worse than the 809, audyssey may have a small part in that, the XT32 is just a sub upgrade over the XT, which would not cause a openness as you claim..

Wow. All I can say is I hope people don't take some of these statements as fact.
post #334 of 9463
I went from an 805 to a Integra 80.2, the 805 was used as a preamp using anthem amps mca 5, and 20 and was very impressed with XT32. I,m hoping the XT32 processing will trump the power the 805 that I am using in another room by its efficiency and room faults cant wait. the 818 seems to be stuck in Greensboro, NC and looks like it wont come on saturday.
post #335 of 9463
Really JOEHONEST needs to get honest with himself. He knows about as much about audio as Plaxico Burress knows about gun safety. Please I beg AVS forum to review all of his posts and NEVER allow JOEHONEST to post misinformation again. JOEHONEST is really doing novice home theater enthusiasts a huge disservice with any of his words about audio.
post #336 of 9463
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Originally Posted by joehonest View Post

I really don't know how the 818 would sound any better or worse than the 809, audyssey may have a small part in that, the XT32 is just a sub upgrade over the XT, which would not cause a openness as you claim..

I own both the 809 and the 818. The 818 is far superior in terms of audio performance. I would try to explain it to you JOEHONEST, but I can't seem to draw any pictures with crayons in the new AVS forum site. I am embarrassed for you when I read your posts. Your misinformed statements are ridiculed every time you type your latest myths. Please take the hints from other readers and educate yourself about the products you talk about. You have never owned either the 809 or the 818. I honestly don't know if you have ever listened to any of the products on which you comment. Bob Weissburg, CEO of Gibson, must be out of his mind when he sees ridiculous statements about Onkyo products made by people who don't own the product. Onkyo USA is Gibson's latest acquisition, acquired in January of 2012. Gibson also purchased a stake in Onkyo Japan. Please stop misleading the readers with your false statements.
post #337 of 9463
To Joerod or anyone that played around with lipsync. I've read Joerod's review and also another user mentioned that you can advance the sound. If I remember the manual correctly, it states 0-800 msecs. If you can advance the sound, what number is the default? The only reason I'm buying the 818 is because I have an oppo 93 hooked up to a projector and the secondary output to an 875. TrueHD and DTS-MA bitstreamed to the receiver was lagging behind the video. PCM out from oppo was closer to sync, but to me it didn't sound as good as the receiver decoding it. I do not know if it's a problem with the Oppo or the 875 or both. I hope my leap of faith will be rewarded. Any opinions will be appreciated. Thanks!
post #338 of 9463
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Originally Posted by joehonest View Post

Its only common sense, firmware update risks are the same for very unit. Don't need to own it ! But you can do it your way, just don't come crying back saying your 818 in now a door stop...

JOEHONEST strikes out again. It's funny that you mention common sense in a post.
post #339 of 9463
I placed an order with Vanns today for a new 818 and look forward to its delivery sometime next week.

It replaces a 608 that has worked flawlessly for over two years. I just wanted better video up conversion for my laser discs and what I hope to be superior sound reproduction for movies, CDs, Mp3s and Internet Radio.

I think it will deliver.
post #340 of 9463
I see that most of you who quote me, are honesty just trying to help me. I read all the threads about audyssey and the hardware that uses it.. And I still stand by my posts.. I have used and listen to all levels of audyssey, but not pro. Maybe I just simplify it to a level that some of you are not happy with. Most long term users of XT32 only talk about the sub and two sub setup improvements over the lower audyssey levels. Nobody said there center or the rears sound better with xt32 over xt, but we know there is a higher level of filtering, but few hear any differance, But the sub and two sub setups are the systems that the users are hearing big improvements, mostly due to those HT sub room combos have the biggest problems. If you have flat output speakers and subs in a acoustically flat room, audyssey would do nothing. The bigger the changes audyssey makes to your system only shows you how bad your choices in the hardware and the room its in are.. Audyssey only fixes problems and at times makes new ones...
post #341 of 9463
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Originally Posted by joehonest View Post

I see that most of you who quote me, are honesty just trying to help me. I read all the threads about audyssey and the hardware that uses it.. And I still stand by my posts.. I have used and listen to all levels of audyssey, but not pro. Maybe I just simplify it to a level that some of you are not happy with. Most long term users of XT32 only talk about the sub and two sub setup improvements over the lower audyssey levels. Nobody said there center or the rears sound better with xt32 over xt, but we know there is a higher level of filtering, but few hear any differance, But the sub and two sub setups are the systems that the users are hearing big improvements, mostly due to those HT sub room combos have the biggest problems. If you have flat output speakers and subs in a acoustically flat room, audyssey would do nothing. The bigger the changes audyssey makes to your system only shows you how bad your choices in the hardware and the room its in are.. Audyssey only fixes problems and at times makes new ones...

That is the whole point. YOU ARE A FRAUD. You are basing your comments on the opinion of others without actually reviewing the products themselves. It is one thing to provide feedback on your own experiences. We all are entitled to our opinions. Audio is subjective to the listener. You are not even listening to the actual products. You state that in your own posts. Please just read the comments of informed readers and stop posting your unqualified opinions.
Edited by skylarlove1999 - 6/9/12 at 2:54am
post #342 of 9463
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Originally Posted by joehonest View Post

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I see that most of you who quote me, are honesty just trying to help me.

No offense but you need to start by helping yourself first.
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I read all the threads about audyssey and the hardware that uses it.. And I still stand by my posts.. I have used and listen to all levels of audyssey, but not pro. Maybe I just simplify it to a level that some of you are not happy with.

It is not that you "simplify" things but that for the most part the information you post is totally incorrect time and time again.
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Most long term users of XT32 only talk about the sub and two sub setup improvements over the lower audyssey levels. Nobody said there center or the rears sound better with xt32 over xt, but we know there is a higher level of filtering, but few hear any differance,

Well once again you are absolutely dead wrong, I posted my impressions of XT32 and one of the biggest improvements in my system (room) was how well my surrounds blend with my main speakers. I have seen many more posts in different threads of those that have experienced improvements to all their speakers when using XT32. So once again try reading a little before posting your pearls of wisdom wink.gif.
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But the sub and two sub setups are the systems that the users are hearing big improvements, mostly due to those HT sub room combos have the biggest problems. If you have flat output speakers and subs in a acoustically flat room, audyssey would do nothing. The bigger the changes audyssey makes to your system only shows you how bad your choices in the hardware and the room its in are.. Audyssey only fixes problems and at times makes new ones...

Huh? The above is just incredible. If you don't mind could you direct me to where this "acoustically flat room" is. So when Audyssey makes bigger changes in ones room it is due to "how bad your choices in the hardware and the room its in are"? Wow, thats about all I can say to that. Do you do standup or write for Leno? If not you really should biggrin.gif.

Bill
post #343 of 9463
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Originally Posted by joehonest View Post

I see that most of you who quote me, are honesty just trying to help me. I read all the threads about audyssey and the hardware that uses it.. And I still stand by my posts.. I have used and listen to all levels of audyssey, but not pro. Maybe I just simplify it to a level that some of you are not happy with. Most long term users of XT32 only talk about the sub and two sub setup improvements over the lower audyssey levels. Nobody said there center or the rears sound better with xt32 over xt, but we know there is a higher level of filtering, but few hear any differance, But the sub and two sub setups are the systems that the users are hearing big improvements, mostly due to those HT sub room combos have the biggest problems. If you have flat output speakers and subs in a acoustically flat room, audyssey would do nothing. The bigger the changes audyssey makes to your system only shows you how bad your choices in the hardware and the room its in are.. Audyssey only fixes problems and at times makes new ones...
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Originally Posted by skylarlove1999 View Post


That is the whole point. YOU ARE A FRAUD. You are basing your comments on the opinion of others without actually reviewing the products themselves. It is one thing to provide feedback on your own experiences. We all are entilted to our opinions. Audio is subjective to the listener. You are not even listening to the actual products. You state that in your actual posts. Please just read the comments of informed readers and stop posting your unqualified opinions.

Please read what I wrote, not what you want to see...
post #344 of 9463
I will be watching this thread closely. I'm considering upgrading my TX-NR808.
post #345 of 9463
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

Huh? The above is just incredible. If you don't mind could you direct me to where this "acoustically flat room" is. So when Audyssey makes bigger changes in ones room it is due to "how bad your choices in the hardware and the room its in are"? Wow, thats about all I can say to that. Do you do standup or write for Leno? If not you really should biggrin.gif.
Bill

Anechoic Chamber man cave, don't tell me you don't have one in your house.wink.gif
post #346 of 9463
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post #347 of 9463
HOLY CRAP! HOLY CRAP!

Just ran auddie on my 818. Coming from 807, HOLY CRAP!

Op

Popped in transformers 3 for first 818 film. Damn!
post #348 of 9463
^^^nice. I'm going from a 706 to a 4311. I'm pretty excited about the jump to XT32. I think my setup sounds awesome now, I can't wait to hear what else is in store =^)
post #349 of 9463
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Originally Posted by UNICRON-WMD View Post

Nope, I used the 818 as a full 9.1 preamp for 5 days. All 9 channels running off my ATI amps, non on the Onkyo. There are 9 pre-outs and 2 sub outs.

You are right, and I was wrong about the "pre amp all 9 channels" route..

I got confused coming from my Denon 4311, which does 11.2.. when I saw the shared SB/FW/FH pre outs, and only two sets of them, my mind went directly to 4311 mode...

To those I threw off the 818 scent, I apologize..

However, you still cannot run the LR off external amps and use the 7 amps in the AVR for C, SURR, SURROUND BACK and/or HEIGHT and/or WIDE..

For 9.1 you must you the preamp out jacks... there is no amp config that lets you do what I was asked about..

Thanks for pointing out my error. smile.gif
post #350 of 9463
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

You are right, and I was wrong about the "pre amp all 9 channels" route..
I got confused coming from my Denon 4311, which does 11.2.. when I saw the shared SB/FW/FH pre outs, and only two sets of them, my mind went directly to 4311 mode...
To those I threw off the 818 scent, I apologize..
However, you still cannot run the LR off external amps and use the 7 amps in the AVR for C, SURR, SURROUND BACK and/or HEIGHT and/or WIDE..
For 9.1 you must you the preamp out jacks... there is no amp config that lets you do what I was asked about..
Thanks for pointing out my error. smile.gif

FM,

You are entitled to at least one mistake a year smile.gif. Class act as always!

Bill
post #351 of 9463
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Originally Posted by kawie01 View Post

HOLY CRAP! HOLY CRAP!
Just ran auddie on my 818. Coming from 807, HOLY CRAP!
Op
Popped in transformers 3 for first 818 film. Damn!

I have the 807 right now!!! Had it for about 3 years with no issues! I was considering jumping to the 818 or even one of the new flagship models whenever they release them!! How is it compared to the 807??
post #352 of 9463
I put my 4311 back in my system yesterday after some time with the 818..

Two comments...

1. The video quality on the 818 with compressed HD sources (DirecTV) is improved.

2. After painstakingly remeasuring Audyssey with both, using as close as I could mic positioning, tripod with adjustments that would limit any variation (i.e. legs fully extended, etc..) I find the sub to be a tad more potent with the 818...

It's subtle, but I played some of my films, and there was a smoothness in really low material (~20-25) that moves better with the 818..

Also, the trims on my sub were down (confirmed on both via an SPL check and test tones from the AIX setup disc) 2 db vs. the 818...

Even after level matching with the SPL meter, the quality of the sub was slightly more to my liking with the 818...

The mains and surrounds are almost identical (and noting that I have to listen at +1 or +2 on the Denon to match 0 MV on the Onkyo.. )

The Onlyo is a little more forward sounding on the top end, but once again, I am really familiar with the material..

Obviously I am more familiar with it than almost anyone else.. but what took me a while to understand was that when listening to gear, what I was doing was listening to the tracks and thinking "If I was on a dub stage, I would brighten the dialog up a bit: or etc... my taste, and my mixing, hasn't really changed fundamentally over the years, and i't made me really practiced at differentiating gear by thinking what's different than how I mixed it...

I've been really patient at keeping the same speakers for the last couple of years so as to not overly complicate changes in my room..

I really think that the 818 is a special piece of gear... I've missed my 5009 since I sold it... I don't think in my room, with my efficient speakers, I'd be able to tell the difference between the 818 and the 5009 if I didn't know which was which...

The 818, IMO, is that good..

And for those lamenting the lack of AirPlay (I was one of them...) I have found the DNLA via Mobli accessing my iTunes library to be wholly satisfactory.. especially using Robert's oRemote software....

YMMV..
post #353 of 9463
Stylz

I had my 807 for amost 2 years. With no problems as well. Enjoyed it very much. Biggest difference i noticed upon startup is the on screen menu. Takes some getting use to. Better imo. I was worried at first because i was expecting a big difference without Auddie (assome have noted) but didnt hear any with tv content. I kicked (politely asked) wife, son anddogs out of the house so I could run auddie. With 8 readings, seemed faster than the six readings on my 807. Especially calculating time. So i popped transfors 3 for certain scenes. The Paramout intro literally gave me chills. It was awsome. Jumped from scene to scene as i have scene the moive several times. Anyways the sound was richer, fuller and and in some parts it sounded like the action was right in my living room. I would have crank my 807 louder to get same feel. Or some it seemed. I am pretty sure though. Now for some manual reading. If you have more ? Just holler.
post #354 of 9463
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Stylz
I had my 807 for amost 2 years. With no problems as well. Enjoyed it very much. Biggest difference i noticed upon startup is the on screen menu. Takes some getting use to. Better imo. I was worried at first because i was expecting a big difference without Auddie (assome have noted) but didnt hear any with tv content. I kicked (politely asked) wife, son anddogs out of the house so I could run auddie. With 8 readings, seemed faster than the six readings on my 807. Especially calculating time. So i popped transfors 3 for certain scenes. The Paramout intro literally gave me chills. It was awsome. Jumped from scene to scene as i have scene the moive several times. Anyways the sound was richer, fuller and and in some parts it sounded like the action was right in my living room. I would have crank my 807 louder to get same feel. Or so it seemed. I am pretty sure though. Now for some manual reading. If you have more ? Just holler.
post #355 of 9463
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

I put my 4311 back in my system yesterday after some time with the 818..
Two comments...
1. The video quality on the 818 with compressed HD sources (DirecTV) is improved.
2. After painstakingly remeasuring Audyssey with both, using as close as I could mic positioning, tripod with adjustments that would limit any variation (i.e. legs fully extended, etc..) I find the sub to be a tad more potent with the 818...
It's subtle, but I played some of my films, and there was a smoothness in really low material (~20-25) that moves better with the 818..
Also, the trims on my sub were down (confirmed on both via an SPL check and test tones from the AIX setup disc) 2 db vs. the 818...
Even after level matching with the SPL meter, the quality of the sub was slightly more to my liking with the 818...
The mains and surrounds are almost identical (and noting that I have to listen at +1 or +2 on the Denon to match 0 MV on the Onkyo.. )
The Onlyo is a little more forward sounding on the top end, but once again, I am really familiar with the material..
Obviously I am more familiar with it than almost anyone else.. but what took me a while to understand was that when listening to gear, what I was doing was listening to the tracks and thinking "If I was on a dub stage, I would brighten the dialog up a bit: or etc... my taste, and my mixing, hasn't really changed fundamentally over the years, and i't made me really practiced at differentiating gear by thinking what's different than how I mixed it...
I've been really patient at keeping the same speakers for the last couple of years so as to not overly complicate changes in my room..
I really think that the 818 is a special piece of gear... I've missed my 5009 since I sold it... I don't think in my room, with my efficient speakers, I'd be able to tell the difference between the 818 and the 5009 if I didn't know which was which...
The 818, IMO, is that good..
And for those lamenting the lack of AirPlay (I was one of them...) I have found the DNLA via Mobli accessing my iTunes library to be wholly satisfactory.. especially using Robert's oRemote software....
YMMV..

Now this is a post where we can really learn something. Thanks for making me realize I am not that crazy for liking the 818 as much as I do! And after a rough day or two in the Sony 790 thread this makes me feel a lot better. smile.gif
post #356 of 9463
I'm happy to report that switching HDMI cables fixed the dropouts is was getting on the AppleTV. I switched the DirecTV and AppleTV cables and starting getting dropouts on DirecTV, so time to get a new cable - maybe one of the cats chewed on it smile.gif

I'm really shocked at the video improvement I'm getting with the 818. I keep looking at the screen with awe, trying to comprehend how much more pop the images have with zero changes to my TV settings.
post #357 of 9463
Hey, I noticed none of my beta testers have 2012 Onkyos. I have a slot or two open for new beta testers for my remote control app now that I am nearly finished adding in support for the new models.

All you would need is an iPad or iPhone running a recent iOS, and there's no need to jailbreak the device.

EDIT: Got a couple, thanks!
Edited by rworne - 6/9/12 at 9:11am
post #358 of 9463
Film Mixer and Joe Rod you are dead on in your review of the 818. I have never had a receiver fill the room with such enveloping sound and blend the bass so seamlessly with the rest of my speakers. It is honestly shocking how amazing this receiver sounds.
post #359 of 9463
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Originally Posted by joehonest View Post

Please read what I wrote, not what you want to see...

I am trying to make this clear for you. NO ONE ON THIS SITE BELIEVES YOU have tested any form of Audyssey.

If you had any actual experience you would not post such ridiculous comments.

I am finished trying to help you. Who is the bigger fool, the fool or the person who tries to educate the fool?
post #360 of 9463
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Originally Posted by rworne View Post

Hey, I noticed none of my beta testers have 2012 Onkyos. I have a slot or two open for new beta testers for my remote control app now that I am nearly finished adding in support for the new models.
All you would need is an iPad or iPhone running a recent iOS, and there's no need to jailbreak the device.

I'm in! smile.gif
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