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post #3811 of 9459
The free onkyo app can control most everything after initial setup. That way, you just need to connect to your LAN.
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Originally Posted by cmanser View Post

Can the remote that comes with the 818 be used when the remote is in a closed cabinet and the receiver is not visible?
The cabinet I will put my 818 in has doors that hide the receiver.
Thanks and Happy New Year
post #3812 of 9459
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Originally Posted by Mike Butny View Post

To get back to the 24fps bug, I just noticed that the 818 is also altering the 60 fps too. I was switching back and forth from the 818 VP and my Dvdo Edge comparing the PQ of both and thought the 818 looked a little different. Now thru the Dvdo edge Blurays are displayed at 23.976 fps and 60 fps material is actually displayed at 59.94hz. I then ran everything into the 818 and then out into the Dvdo Edge and compared the numbers, sure enough the 818 sends out 24fps and 60fps. I then used the sub monitor out of the 818 into the Dvdo edge and the signal is now in its original state 23.976fps and 59.94fps.

Yes, this was also reported by Kilian.ca.
post #3813 of 9459
Can the MHL HDMI port at the front be used with any device, like a PS3?
post #3814 of 9459
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Originally Posted by markus767 View Post

Yes, this was also reported by Kilian.ca.

Does anyone know if Onkyo is going to fix this? Is this the case in all their receivers and processors? I know Joe Rod had chimed in and said he did not test the 24fps output since he goes from source to his projector but he did use the 818 for his directv feed. This needs to be fix ASAP!!!!!!!!
post #3815 of 9459
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Originally Posted by Mike Butny View Post

Does anyone know if Onkyo is going to fix this? Is this the case in all their receivers and processors? I know Joe Rod had chimed in and said he did not test the 24fps output since he goes from source to his projector but he did use the 818 for his directv feed. This needs to be fix ASAP!!!!!!!!

Plese report the problem to Onkyo otherwise they won't take any action.
post #3816 of 9459
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Originally Posted by Mike Butny View Post

Does anyone know if Onkyo is going to fix this? Is this the case in all their receivers and processors? I know Joe Rod had chimed in and said he did not test the 24fps output since he goes from source to his projector but he did use the 818 for his directv feed. This needs to be fix ASAP!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by markus767 View Post

Plese report the problem to Onkyo otherwise they won't take any action.

I went back and read the original posts on this (beginning with Kilian.ca's observation), but to be honest I'm still not sure what I'm looking for or if I have this problem. Can someone explain it in noob terms? If it's still an issue I'd like to raise it with Onkyo as well.
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Originally Posted by cytoSiN View Post

I went back and read the original posts on this (beginning with Kilian.ca's observation), but to be honest I'm still not sure what I'm looking for or if I have this problem. Can someone explain it in noob terms? If it's still an issue I'd like to raise it with Onkyo as well.

See jd17's answer to Mikes2cents's question at http://www.avsforum.com/t/1412714/onkyo-tx-nr818-official-owners-thread-discussion/2040#post_22355948
post #3818 of 9459
Question for the video pros: how can I verify that QDEO film mode (reverse telecine) is active and correctly processing an input signal?
post #3819 of 9459
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Originally Posted by markus767 View Post

See jd17's answer to Mikes2cents's question at http://www.avsforum.com/t/1412714/onkyo-tx-nr818-official-owners-thread-discussion/2040#post_22355948

Thanks, somehow missed that post. But yikes, that sucks...I'll have to check it again later but if I can see it I'll definitely contact Onkyo. Is there a recommended test Bluray for it, or should it be noticeable in any content?
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Originally Posted by markus767 View Post

Question for the video pros: how can I verify that QDEO film mode (reverse telecine) is active and correctly processing an input signal?

FWIW, I wasn't able to get a straight answer from Onkyo on whether the 818 supports IVTC. Obviously you can select 24Hz output, but it seems likely that it's doing simple decimation instead of anything desirable. I did some eyeball testing and it didn't look promising.
post #3821 of 9459
Just got the 818 all hooked up over New Year holiday. Loving it so far.

One issue I am having - My wife wants to be able to play Netflix for the kids and not have to fire up the receiver to do it. I have it set to pass the signal through on my PS3 so with the receiver off we can play some kids content. The issue I am having is that only some of the programs on Netflix have working audio - other shows have video and no audio.




Well - I just had a thought it over and fixed the issue. The PS3 was trying to play content that had 5.1 and as the receiver was not on only 2 speakers are available. Just changed the audio to stereo and it works great.
post #3822 of 9459
Preparing for my 818, Should be in this Friday. During my wait I ordered an optical to mini cable for my Airport express and hooked it to my current 706. When it first connected it flashed DTS then went to All Channel Stereo PCM. Is this correct? or should i be able to switch to DTS or Dolby Digital since it is a Toslink cable. I noticed the volume wasn't as loud as I have hoped. Just trying to understand so I can hopefully setup the 818 without issues. Are there any settings I should be setting maybe the 818 has vs what I have now?
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Originally Posted by markus767 View Post

Plese report the problem to Onkyo otherwise they won't take any action.

I called it in, the tech support agent said he never heard of this such issue. I was told I would get a call or email regarding this VP issue.
post #3824 of 9459
I was having the same issue with occasional frame skipping and was driving myself crazy trying to isolate it to my epson 5020 projector or the 818. From what I gathered in earlier posts the workaround is to use the other hdmi out which bypasses the video processing is that correct? Seems like the only consequence is the loss of the overlay menus which I guess wouldn't be a huge deal after everything is calibrated.

Please let me know if I misread how to fix this as it really annoys me which sucks because from an audio perspective it really works great.
post #3825 of 9459
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Originally Posted by theoneofgod View Post

I haven't heard of any HDMI failures with the 818.

My Main HDMI OUT died on me a few months ago.
post #3826 of 9459
In case anyone is interested, I found this 5U rack shelf for the 818, and it's very very reasonable, hard to beat for the price, it's a raxxess brand rack shelf, made by Chief MFG. There's 3/4 of an inch of clearence on top and bottom, I will be making a custom face plate in the next few days, plenty of vents on bottom and sides. I installed it in a Slim5 rack pictured, Just passing on the info.




post #3827 of 9459
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Originally Posted by NODES View Post

My Main HDMI OUT died on me a few months ago.
I've had mine since it was released in the UK, no problems at all. Did you get it replaced?
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Originally Posted by theoneofgod View Post

I've had mine since it was released in the UK, no problems at all. Did you get it replaced?

No i have not. I have been using secondary out. I am afraid onkyo will take forever with the repair from the stories I have read.


I cannot be without a receiver, my tv does not have built in speakers.
post #3829 of 9459
Contact your supplier, they may lend you a cheap AV until you get it back.
post #3830 of 9459
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Originally Posted by tildawn10 View Post

I was having the same issue with occasional frame skipping and was driving myself crazy trying to isolate it to my epson 5020 projector or the 818. From what I gathered in earlier posts the workaround is to use the other hdmi out which bypasses the video processing is that correct? Seems like the only consequence is the loss of the overlay menus which I guess wouldn't be a huge deal after everything is calibrated.
Please let me know if I misread how to fix this as it really annoys me which sucks because from an audio perspective it really works great.


The sub Hdmi out will pass the signal as is without any video processing, I have tested this with 1080i 59.94hz content.
post #3831 of 9459
well, having had a quick look though this forum, I think we can safely say that the 818 doesn't suffer the reliability issues of the cheaper models thankfully.

But, there does seem to be a 24p-23.976 frame issue, am I reading this right in that you'll see a visible judder every 41 or so seconds while playing bluray discs ?
If this is true then this sucks big time !!
I have a lot of bluray content and would expect it to be perfect on such a system, using the sub output and loosing the menus is just hassle I dont want.

You would have thought a simple firmware solution could easily fix this, unless their onboard processor isnt designed to run at the right frequency eek.gif
Edited by davelillis - 1/3/13 at 3:13am
post #3832 of 9459
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Originally Posted by davelillis View Post

well, having had a quick look though this forum, I think we can safely say that the 818 doesn't suffer the reliability issues of the cheaper models thankfully.
But, there does seem to be a 24p-23.976 frame issue, am I reading this right in that you'll see a visible judder every 41 or so seconds while playing bluray discs ?
If this is true then this sucks big time !!
I have a lot of bluray content and would expect it to be perfect on such a system, using the sub output and loosing the menus is just hassle I dont want.
You would have thought a simple firmware solution could easily fix this, unless their onboard processor isnt designed to run at the right frequency eek.gif


You are not alone, please call Onkyo customer support to let them know, the more the list grows with this, the sooner we may see a Firmware upgrade to solve this...
post #3833 of 9459
I gave up after 30 minutes on hold...if I ever find more time to wait for them to pick up, I'll call to report. Until then, their online customer service form will have to suffice. I will say that in VERY limited testing, I didn't notice the issue. I intend to test it further this weekend.
post #3834 of 9459
Don't call them, that's just a waste of time. Write an email instead. You'll get a case number you (and they) can follow up.
post #3835 of 9459
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Originally Posted by TheaterChad View Post

You are not alone, please call Onkyo customer support to let them know, the more the list grows with this, the sooner we may see a Firmware upgrade to solve this...

Well, I dont own one of these machines and was researching a 515/616 (dont laugh, I dodged a major pile of you know what there) and was almost about the press the buy button for a 818, but not now if there is a noticeable judder every 41 seconds on 24 fps ps3 blurays..
Is it really a noticeable annoying artifact or is this an academic argument where in real life it really isn't an issue ????
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Originally Posted by markus767 View Post

Question for the video pros: how can I verify that QDEO film mode (reverse telecine) is active and correctly processing an input signal?

You can with a test disk like HQV's Benchmark.
post #3837 of 9459
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Originally Posted by davelillis View Post

Well, I dont own one of these machines and was researching a 515/616 (dont laugh, I dodged a major pile of you know what there) and was almost about the press the buy button for a 818, but not now if there is a noticeable judder every 41 seconds on 24 fps ps3 blurays..
Is it really a noticeable annoying artifact or is this an academic argument where in real life it really isn't an issue ????

I didn't notice it while watching 30 minutes of Avatar. I will test more fully this weekend with a couple of movies. If anyone is aware of a good test blurary, I'd be interested in trying it out. I wonder if there's a way to test it simply by creating a short video clip (at 23.976 of course) of solid color images, and inserting a different colored image every time it's expected to be skipped and seeing if the 818 plays only the solid colored images. In a real movie, unless it's a mostly still shot, I'm not sure how I would notice it.
post #3838 of 9459
I haven't seen any judder watching 1080p/24hz movies and that includes 3D titles.
post #3839 of 9459
There is a glaring exception to the otherwise competent handling of video however, with the TX-NR818 converting 23.976 (24000/1001) frame per second (FPS) content found on most Blu-ray discs to 24.000 FPS on output, leading to undesirable frame repeats. This problem has been reported to Onkyo, they have confirmed the issue, and are examining the root cause and potential fixes. Because the root cause is still unknown they are not able to guarantee that it can be fixed in a firmware update however.


http://www.missingremote.com/review/onkyo-tx-nr818-72-channel-network-av-receiver
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Mike Butny View Post

There is a glaring exception to the otherwise competent handling of video however, with the TX-NR818 converting 23.976 (24000/1001) frame per second (FPS) content found on most Blu-ray discs to 24.000 FPS on output, leading to undesirable frame repeats. This problem has been reported to Onkyo, they have confirmed the issue, and are examining the root cause and potential fixes. Because the root cause is still unknown they are not able to guarantee that it can be fixed in a firmware update however.
http://www.missingremote.com/review/onkyo-tx-nr818-72-channel-network-av-receiver

Well, at least one publication has finally stated what should have been obvious to everyone and shown up in every review of this AVR, that it does not handle 23.976 input properly.

From the tone of the reviewers comment I would anticipate we won't be seeing a fix to the issue (which is Onkyo's reputation and track record anyways), which is a shame, especially considering all of the puffy reviews flattering this unit when it went onto the market.

This will teach me not to buy a product until more "amateurs" who notice this kind of issue have reviewed the unit.
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